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Department of Starship Design (Trek-ish)

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[X]Plan Survey Scout

Useful, and more interesting from a story perspective. We can build more big ships for punching with big big guns soon.
 
[X] Plan Box Truck
-[X] Orientation: Vertical
-[X] Build the ship to civilian standards [Cost: ~18 CI | 13 End. | 26 Shield Str.]

Dont expect it to win, but I would like to build a replacement for the Golds sooner than later.
 
[X]Plan Survey Scout
-[X] Orientation: Vertical
-[X] Build the ship to military standards [Cost: ~23.6 CI & 1.7 MI | 17 End. | 34 Shield Str.]
 
Jalinth said:
Beam Fit System Defense Boat
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I like the concept. Basically a Defiant Blaze but with modern technology instead of being obsolete before the quest even began.

And enough teeth to be able to hurt as a wolf pack, while also being able to provide PD screening.

[X]Plan System Defense Boat
-[X] Orientation: Horizontal
-[X] Build the ship to military standards [Cost: ~23.6 CI & 1.7 MI | 17 End. | 34 Shield Str.
 
Heck with it; if we're building these two-to-a-slip, might as well go all-in on cheap&plentiful.

[X]Plan Survey Spam
-[X] Orientation: Vertical
-[X] Build the ship to civilian standards [Cost: ~18 CI | 13 End. | 26 Shield Str.
 
Altom said:
And now I want to see a reaction of a friendly ambassador, asking why we are establishing colonies with heavy cruisers. :V
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How else are we going to fit in all the colonists and the whole first colony? Also vertical would be hilarious to see landed on planets it's the typical position of weirdly advanced alien species in fiction that makes them loom over the planet.

But also horizontal if we flatten at the edges would result in a ufo with a stealth system that has warp drive powered so you go "up" when warping and be a decent shape to land on planets as it can sort of glide in a atmosphere and land in a stable way
TeaMug said:
Heck with it; if we're building these two-to-a-slip, might as well go all-in on cheap&plentiful.

[X]Plan Survey Spam
-[X] Orientation: Vertical
-[X] Build the ship to civilian standards [Cost: ~18 CI | 13 End. | 26 Shield Str.
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Makes sense would be interesting usage as transport vessels and early rudimentary mapping to point out things to do deeper investigation by more dedicated vessels.

[X]Plan Survey Spam
-[X] Orientation: Vertical
-[X] Build the ship to civilian standards
 
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[X]Plan Survey Scout
-[X] Orientation: Vertical
-[X] Build the ship to military standards [Cost: ~23.6 CI & 1.7 MI | 17 End. | 34 Shield Str.]

I feel like this hull is more useful in this role right now. We can make a patrol corvette next turn, hopefully with some slight refinements to make our modules less big.
 
[X]Plan System Defense Boat
-[X] Orientation: Horizontal
-[X] Build the ship to military standards [Cost: ~23.6 CI & 1.7 MI | 17 End. | 34 Shield Str.

Our Heavy Cruiser Assault Transport Protected Merchantman won't be at the colonies all the time.
 
[X]Plan Survey Scout
-[X] Orientation: Vertical
-[X] Build the ship to military standards [Cost: ~23.6 CI & 1.7 MI | 17 End. | 34 Shield Str.]

[X]Plan System Defense Boat
-[X] Orientation: Horizontal
-[X] Build the ship to military standards [Cost: ~23.6 CI & 1.7 MI | 17 End. | 34 Shield Str.
@Jalinth has been kind enough to help create a hypothetical layout for the survey ship
High Points include:
10 Aux Sensors a large and a medium lab (we can probably swap this to a large and few small labs in the final version for more Science and less space).
A standard workshop, a shuttle bay, and 1 medium, 3 cargo bays

This is just using a single protium core so it should have substantially higher fuel economy... but it will likely be relatively slow. The real damning thing is it's only carrying 4 T1s. Realistically we cannot upgun a survey design without drastically compromising on something- Science most likely. Jalinth's expectations that we'd have to specialize more than I thought were right on the money.
 
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Karugus said:
(we can probably swap this to a large and few small labs in the final version for more Science and less space)
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This is a survey vessel.

It's for finding interesting things, and if they are sufficiently interesting, calling in someone better equipped. We should probably switch to a single medium lab and several smalls; while there's no shortage of things it could find that need large labs, when it finds one the correct call is to phone home for help, not try to handle things alone.

And swapping the large lab for a few smalls not only gets us more raw science, we free up lots of space.

... Hold on, shouldn't the T1s be two-gun batteries?
 
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Candesce said:
This is a survey vessel.

It's for finding interesting things, and if they are sufficiently interesting, calling in someone better equipped. We should probably switch to a single medium lab and several smalls; while there's no shortage of things it could find that need large labs, when it finds one the correct call is to phone home for help, not try to handle things alone.

And swapping the large lab for a few smalls not only gets us more raw science, we free up lots of space.

... Hold on, shouldn't the T1s be two-gun batteries?
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1 - As far as I can tell science is what we want for a survey vessel. I don't want to be building a whole starship and not have it be useful doing it's job.
2 - The power is very limited. I went with single t1s to save on power for the scout.
 
Jalinth said:
As far as I can tell science is what we want for a survey vessel.
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And small labs give vastly more science per space than large labs, at only marginally worse runtime efficiency - trivially made up by the extra space for auxiliary computers.

If it's raw science score you want, you want small labs. What specific benefit do you expect from the large one?
 
Candesce said:
And small labs give vastly more science per space than large labs, at only marginally worse runtime efficiency - trivially made up by the extra space for auxiliary computers.

If it's raw science score you want, you want small labs. What specific benefit do you expect from the large one?
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I've had so many different numbers bouncing around. I had reversed which size was the most efficient. I still want a big one but given the numbers and space it's probably best to go for slightly smaller ones.
 
Jalinth said:
I've had so many different numbers bouncing around. I had reversed which size was the most efficient.
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Entirely fair. I've certainly fucked up numbers myself before, and will again.

I'm pretty sure for a lot of science projects, having a larger lab is a necessity, and even outside those projects I'd expect small labs to be doing more studies but shallower ones - but by the same standards, this is a survey vessel. Doing lots of shallow projects and kicking the troublesome ones up the chain is what it's for.
 
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