Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Would adding occult excellency help here? To understand what the crown tells us and to convey it to Harry? Also, would TLF apply here (to us telling Harry)? This is without a doubt a place of spiritual desolation, and the action we are taking it to protect him from it.
- Yes
- No alas, TLC does not recognize being twisted by black magic as deleterious to one's survival, if anything it's just a useful adaptation to the environment as far as the charm is concerned
Is WHWH active?
Anyway:
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
Yes, we are low on essence, but the question is very likely to restore some essence to us due to being a mystical secret. And this is Harry's eternal soul on the line. So, I encuorage everyone to at least add the crown question to your vote so we either gain 1 mote, or become mote neutral if we also use the occult excellency.
No, it's not below freezing down here.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
Yeah I'm going for this one. Harry can handle himself for the most part, but giving him an edge is a good idea so he isn't as battered as usual.
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
Yeah I'm going for this one. Harry can handle himself for the most part, but giving him an edge is a good idea so he isn't as battered as usual.
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
You might also want to vote for the vote without excellency. Even that way it should give Harry at least some edge.
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
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[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
@DragonParadox does Molly projecting her own Labyrinth onto this one affect the trial at all?
It does in the sense that if he starts to fail he has a fallback, that is not really how this is meant to work, but then it's hard to plan for 'I reject your reality and substitute my own'.
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- Brazil
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I appreciate the argument, but without the Occult Excellency I don't think asking the question is worth it. Still I would prefer Harry to have some sort of edge going into this instead of none so:
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
Is it worth considering trying to boost the Merlin too? Potentially using the same trick we did for our emergency announcement earlier.
Since we're getting generic information about the maze anyway just shout a warning and our cheat guide to everyone inside it.
One of the key elements of defending an area is knowing what's happening within it and communicating with your people as close to real time as possible. Which is why WoD has so many ritual effects for doing so.
When we encountered Ancient Mai she was guarding a room of guppies, but didn't seem to be doing anything else. I don't expect her to build this stuff on the spot, but the council should have installed it ages ago. Especially since we know she had the tools for it.
The wind spirit thing was just sitting in her room. Why wasn't someone using it to follow the senior council members or do spot checks on the Warden patrols? Hell, why wasn't that an array to allow monitoring the whole fortress?
Sure it can be blocked, but Mai immediately managed to use the blocking to notice a problem and send us after a Denarian super sorcerer. If there are better ways to avoid that sort of detection than a mind blank style void in space then he would have been using them.
Communications are similarly lacking. Even discounting magical telepathy, why not have wind spirits carry real time information in their own territory? It's possible they had this, but I doubt it because it never came up.
This gets into the competence problem I've been salting about. Being beaten isn't the problem, it's the hallmarks of bad planning that are damning.
When reporting to each other in front of us we didn't hear "The comms are down and none of the not!cameras are working, so we're on manual patrols. Our backups are messed up too so we're trying X solution". We didn't see Mai at a bank of gadgets installed a century before she was born trying to convince a subverted elemental to accept her commands, or using her obviously still functional personal kit to try limping along without the primaries.
What I expect from competent people betting their lives on winning is a minimum of:
A) a robust primary system.
B) a backup plan
C) active attempts to try things on the spot when A and B fail.
3) The Wardens seemed entirely out of contact with that not being presented as inherently dangerous or unusual. No efforts seemed to be underway to correct that either.
Not everything can be shown to us, but places where it should have come up didn't mention anything and nobody seemed to be working on these issues like they were new problems.
Since we're getting generic information about the maze anyway just shout a warning and our cheat guide to everyone inside it.
It would explain some things if large portions of the council was experiencing the same psychological side effects of partially treated mind magic damage that had Harry acting so dumb in the later books. I'd like to assume some competence, but I have a lot of questions about how they organize and utilize resources when they screw up so hard and then remember they have all these tools hanging around to hand wave their problems afterwards.
In any case I took the shifting numbers as a sign that there is some fuzziness in what counts at subverted. Those 80 people being the ones victimized enough to be agents where say the noobs who had cameras installed or basic hypnosis effects applied like we saw at the Last Station wouldn't show up.
My point was that people can and do inflict things on mortals that they do not ask for. Unlike zombies Renfields are biological alive and I think can technically be soul gazed. The person in question suffers ego death in their own soul instead of being kicked out.
The swords used in the last 40 years when the war only started in the last few. The council has suffered losses, but they also rely extensively on single points of failure and outright ignore critical issues routinely.
2) Depends on what you mean by defenses. Stuff like the willpower boosts of the Pathfinder wards would have been nice and not overly problematic. There's also the core matter of internal awareness.
One of the key elements of defending an area is knowing what's happening within it and communicating with your people as close to real time as possible. Which is why WoD has so many ritual effects for doing so.
When we encountered Ancient Mai she was guarding a room of guppies, but didn't seem to be doing anything else. I don't expect her to build this stuff on the spot, but the council should have installed it ages ago. Especially since we know she had the tools for it.
The wind spirit thing was just sitting in her room. Why wasn't someone using it to follow the senior council members or do spot checks on the Warden patrols? Hell, why wasn't that an array to allow monitoring the whole fortress?
Sure it can be blocked, but Mai immediately managed to use the blocking to notice a problem and send us after a Denarian super sorcerer. If there are better ways to avoid that sort of detection than a mind blank style void in space then he would have been using them.
Communications are similarly lacking. Even discounting magical telepathy, why not have wind spirits carry real time information in their own territory? It's possible they had this, but I doubt it because it never came up.
This gets into the competence problem I've been salting about. Being beaten isn't the problem, it's the hallmarks of bad planning that are damning.
When reporting to each other in front of us we didn't hear "The comms are down and none of the not!cameras are working, so we're on manual patrols. Our backups are messed up too so we're trying X solution". We didn't see Mai at a bank of gadgets installed a century before she was born trying to convince a subverted elemental to accept her commands, or using her obviously still functional personal kit to try limping along without the primaries.
What I expect from competent people betting their lives on winning is a minimum of:
A) a robust primary system.
B) a backup plan
C) active attempts to try things on the spot when A and B fail.
3) The Wardens seemed entirely out of contact with that not being presented as inherently dangerous or unusual. No efforts seemed to be underway to correct that either.
Not everything can be shown to us, but places where it should have come up didn't mention anything and nobody seemed to be working on these issues like they were new problems.
Can't Molly just turn the temperature down in her bubble?
We are getting generic information useful for Starborn is my understanding. I value Harry's chances very highly, so we should tailor the information to him as much as possible.
Something is better than nothing. If not the full message simply telling the wizards they're being screwed with is helpful. Might provoke the enemy to change plans, but the Merlin going bad is a pretty serious problem already.
This also raises another question for me. How animate does something need to be to qualify as taking an action? If labyrinth is doing things to the wizards can we just curse it every three seconds till someone shows up to fight us?
Oh, actually, yes. That's a brilliant idea. @DragonParadox can we use SSC on the labyrinth itself when Harry is attempting his trial?
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
She can yeah, I hadn't thought of that
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Formatting fucked it up. Repost.
These should both be in the same number, the 40 that was altered to 80 when DP decided that the number should be bigger due to the scale of people involved.
Turn Coat doesn't happen till years later, the number of compromised would likely be smaller than canon.
Your too focused on the word subverted here when the Crown question first and foremost used the word compromised. Anyone who's being used like that kid was earlier at the beginning of the Arc along with Carlos would've popped up because their minds were compromised.
And they did show up, Molly says as much in the chapter.
Edit: It was a broad question that got a broad answer. I don't know why your sperating them into categories here.
These should both be in the same number, the 40 that was altered to 80 when DP decided that the number should be bigger due to the scale of people involved.
Turn Coat doesn't happen till years later, the number of compromised would likely be smaller than canon.
Your too focused on the word subverted here when the Crown question first and foremost used the word compromised. Anyone who's being used like that kid was earlier at the beginning of the Arc along with Carlos would've popped up because their minds were compromised.
And they did show up, Molly says as much in the chapter.
Edit: It was a broad question that got a broad answer. I don't know why your sperating them into categories here.
I know. Like I said it depends on how we advertise it.
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[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Use Occult Excellency
This is rather close since that mote of essence matters in both directions (an excellency could be very useful, but Molly is very low on motes)
I am inclined to leave this open until the morning
I am inclined to leave this open until the morning
OctarineShrike
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[X] Harry should take the risk, listen to the whispers of the Hollow Man's maze in the hopes of solving it. If things look dicey you can extend your influence over him again
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"
-[X] Crown Question, focus: this scene. "What are the right words to help Harry succeed in solving the Maze?"