Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] We don't have the time or Essence to spare right now. Move on with the task at hand rather than get distracted with side quests.
 
@DragonParadox The "Divide and Conquer" plan had Sophia sent off with the other team but she's with Molly and co in the latest chapter. Unless she teleported in off screen or something..
 
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Even if we don't yell at McCoy, which seems counterproductive, should we check on Carlos?

He's a pretty solid guy, but he did just look a demon in the eye and tell it he'd drag it to hell even if it killed him. That's the kind of thing that leaves people shaken.

Hell, Thunder's Silent Arrow is probably only doing better because he doesn't know what's going on. As far as he's concerned that kind of demon might as well be a lovecraftian alien. He could probably use some reassurance too.

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Also dry heaves warden. Molly is like 50% Big Sis Energy by volume so it seems like she'd react somehow.
 
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The citation you gave is about a different system of hell than here.
Why would the exact same rankings apply?

It also doesn't include any indication that DPE works the way you say when it comes to rank, as it isn't made to work with it. It has been pointed out to you repeatedly: The list of things that don't proc it includes far more things than just the highest ranks of anything, and there is no indication demons actually work differently.

You are making up the idea that this being not proccing DPE means he is that rank and no lower whole cloth out of extrapolations of several systems we don't even know apply and based on readings that contradicts things that have happened in quest.

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Basically, the reading you have of it is not the objectively true reading, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Its not a different system of Hell, its just a different Hell from the Thousand Hells.
This one, you dont get to visit and walk out of. Inmates dont get to come back from this place.
We have seen it in the Dresdenverse even, with regards to what happened to Corpsetaker in Ghost Story.

This is a WoD quest; when shit comes up, I try to look for available referents.
This is the most recent Mage classification for demons I can find.
I invite you to find another.

Im not making up shit. I looked at the Word of the QM about this being Chauncy's boss's boss and being immune to DPoE. Then I looked up the text of the charm itself to figure out just how potent a spirit had to be to ignore DPoE.
Then I found the relevant classification chart for demons, and where it would sit.

I provided my citations, even. They are all there.


A Working in Five Points​
18th of February 2007 A.D.
COMMENTARY
Huh
Worth noting that Harry was able to summon and hold the Erlking in a circle during Dead Beat. This dude took two archmages, a Demon/Nephilim and two other spellcasters to hold him long enough to bluff him into leaving even when he was already in a circle binding in a wizard's fortress.

A little surprised the demon didnt notice Molly hitting it with SSC
I guess that all the other activity provided enough mystical interference for it not to be sure what was causing what

*looks at the dude puking*
Poor kid.
I imagine its been a pretty traumatizing day, and it isnt over yet.

Carlos is a regional Warden commander who is in his(very early) 20s.
I cant see why Molly would not object about the teenagers in Last Station being trained to be run into shit like this in the field but would about Carlos. Especially since she didnt object about Thunder's Arrow. And frankly, she'd have more grounds to object with regards to Arrow.

We get an opportunity to look at Mother Winter's walking stick.
I'd look.


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[X] Try to observe the staff, there's something almost familiar about it



RATIONALE
It literally takes us one combat turn or 3 seconds to do this. I cant see why we wouldnt do it.
Roll Perception 4 + Occult 5 + Stunt 2 for a total of 11 dice, even without spending an Excellency.
 
We can see the staff later. The scene is going to pass. If we want to do something, it should be using the scene as a focus. There's tons of Demonic lore that can be useful
Uh, this isnt true.

McCoy doesnt flash the Blackstaff around, or arrange viewings.
As of this point in canon, Harry has never seen it, and he lived with the man on his farm for two years. He only saw it twice in canon, at Chitchen Itza and in Battle Grounds. Thats twice over more than two decades.

Hell, in this quest McCoy didnt pull it out when he was attacked by Outsiders when we first met him.
Sightings of that thing's super rare, is what Im saying. If you dont consider it important enough to look at, thats fine.
But dont expect to put it off and expect it to show up later.
 
Its not a different system of Hell, its just a different Hell from the Thousand Hells.
This one, you dont get to visit and walk out of. Inmates dont get to come back from this place.
We have seen it in the Dresdenverse even, with regards to what happened to Corpsetaker in Ghost Story.

This is a WoD quest; when shit comes up, I try to look for available referents.
This is the most recent Mage classification for demons I can find.
I invite you to find another.

Im not making up shit. I looked at the Word of the QM about this being Chauncy's boss's boss and being immune to DPoE. Then I looked up the text of the charm itself to figure out just how potent a spirit had to be to ignore DPoE.
Then I found the relevant classification chart for demons, and where it would sit.

I provided my citations, even. They are all there.



COMMENTARY
Huh
Worth noting that Harry was able to summon and hold the Erlking in a circle during Dead Beat. This dude took two archmages, a Demon/Nephilim and two other spellcasters to hold him long enough to bluff him into leaving even when he was already in a circle binding in a wizard's fortress.

A little surprised the demon didnt notice Molly hitting it with SSC
I guess that all the other activity provided enough mystical interference for it not to be sure what was causing what
  1. Well he did not necessarily take that many, McCoy just decided to do it this way, partially Molly suspects because he had to do it fast and with no consecration of the circle, all he had were lines magical people so that is what he used.
  2. If he had been less crushed by the roll he'd have gotten a roll to notice, but as is he freaked out.
 
This is the most recent Mage classification for demons I can find.
I invite you to find another.
Mage 20th Anniversary Page 487

Yes sorry for the shit link at best this guy was just a particularly evil greater courtier but he was most likely a greater demon which Lydia at Birth was higher up on a spiritual hierarchy than him so maybe just stop with this need to put everything that has some place in setting that is kind of high up and say that it'll splatter our guts across the room.

1000 headed Godling that we have already fought is at minimum of five ranks higher than it Incarnae is not a descriptor of strength it's a descriptor of position and as a duke it still not meeting it. So please just stop.
 
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Arc 14 Post 37: Planting the Staff
Planting the Staff

18th of February 2007 A.D.

No wood was ever cut to make that staff, nor carved into shape or polished with lacquer black, that's not a staff, just the shape of one, the story of one, a faerie's working carved from chaos or maybe it's a faerie itself, hard to say with something old and long grown into the fullness of its tale black. Huh... there's that word again. Black-story-staff... Blackstaff.

Most things though, even if they are made by the fey don't spin their names into the world by mere presence. It's the spinning that finally lodges the memory loose, the old woman with iron teeth who lives in a cottage in the woods just past Nowhere. How on Earth did the Council get Mother Winter's staff and what the heck did they pay her? Briefly, very briefly you consider the possibility that it might have been stolen, but then you recall Edinburgh isn't buried under an ice sheet. It's not beyond the bounds of imagination that some clever wizard might have stolen the staff in such a way as to ward off vengeance, men can be a bit mad at the best of times and mages more than most, but dangle such a stolen treasure in the halls of an institution and you open a thousand doors for Winter's hand to creep through. Does Meave know? You wonder. She'd probably tell you just to show off if you asked her the right way.

By the time you ask that last question the staff is gone and McCoy is holding his regular focus, carved with runes not unlike Harry's if with a finer hand for wood carving.

"We must find the source, end it before..." Ancient Mai says as another tremor hits, hard enough to unbalance a few of the younger wizards.

"Harry's on it and Donald the team we sent to Tres Fronteras. We should start scying for those that don't show up. Warlocks know the jig's up after today one way or the other and that's the worst kind of warlock to deal with."

The old woman gives him a long, meaningful look, the kind of meaning that's willfully not hidden from onlookers. 'You're suggesting the cautious approach?' it seems to say.

Tiffany clears her throat. "Given the introduction that misbegotten spawn of a goat and a mutt's bone pile gave me I might as well offer what counsel I can. This would be a very fruitful time to throw coins down gutters if one should find one's self inside the wards possessing one. How likely is that."

"Before today I would have said impossible," Ancient May says. "Alas there are other things I would have said impossible before this day."

More wizards were starting to trickle into the hall, some of them wounded, some of them carrying dead comrades, savaged, bloody. A poor approximation of a vampire attack, you think numbly, but then they wouldn't need perfect would they? Just good enough to kill.

The White Council is starting to rally around the two Senior Council Members present. What do you do?

[] Give an account of what you know of the traitors to help with the scrying

[] You are a lot faster than the wizards, maybe you can still catch up to Lydia and the others

[] Use your Crown to see if Tiffany's suspicion about the Denarians is right. True Chaos might serve them, but if you can find one of them alone it might also serve you

[] Write in


OOC: You now know what the Blackstaff is at a deep mystical level... and still do not know what the Blackstaff the posting is. High cosmic insight low politics, but then as soon as you mention the name to Carlos or Harry they will tell you, though the latter may have feelings on the matter.
 
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I don't know if we want to pick a fight with the Denarians right now, but leaving them alone isn't a great idea either.

Honestly I'm tempted to put bounties on any Warlock who makes it away if it won't piss off the council.
some of them carrying dead comrades, savaged, bloody
How dead are these guys?

I ask because we just had a whole conversation about brain death and what magic defines life as. They could have so much brain damage they're basically dead, but from what I saw looking around online it can take a while for metabolic activity to fully stop. I couldn't find a credible source tracking past 6 minutes or so because that's when a brain starts to be so messed up the person in question won't be waking up again, but that's not a hard line on full cell death.

For most purposes it wouldn't make a difference, but Tiffany's Awakening Lore is particularly bullshit. Any chance she could save a few of them, or that they're alive enough to finish dying in sanctuary and pick up a new body?
 
How dead are these guys?

I ask because we just had a whole conversation about brain death and what magic defines life as. They could have so much brain damage they're basically dead, but from what I saw looking around online it can take a while for metabolic activity to fully stop. I couldn't find a credible source tracking past 6 minutes or so because that's when a brain starts to be so messed up the person in question won't be waking up again, but that's not a hard line on full cell death.

For most purposes it wouldn't make a difference, but Tiffany's Awakening Lore is particularly bullshit. Any chance she could save a few of them, or that they're alive enough to finish dying in sanctuary and pick up a new body?

Brain Dead, Lash checked. If she had high enough Lore of Awakening and she was willing to use high Lore of Awakening for random wizards she would still be able to bring them back most likely since their souls probably did not leave, but otherwise they are gone.
 
Well, if their souls haven't left already, I guess it would be wasteful to not put them to use... And Molly's still feeling peckish 😈

(Ignore that this means condemning our wizard friends to Hell)
 
I wonder, if the Denarians are helping out with this are they aware that this is at least partly an Outsider scheme they're lending aid to? From what we know of the Fallen and their shadows in canon they seem to be against Outsiders in general, it'd be funny if they were helping them in their agenda without realizing it.
 
[X] Offer tools to help. Circles and runes carved to micrometer precision, and the language in which Creation was first designed in to give weight to incantations.

Lash's worry is understandable, but I think misplaced.
 
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