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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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BronzeTongue said:
You're making assumptions about the timetable. Denarian sorcerers can do stuff like raid Arctis Tor when the defenders are serious about keeping them out, and Nemesis has made plays to raid Demonreach before. Hell, get around the impassable portal is literally its job.
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The portal bottleneck gives us a very big advantage. Feats of power shown in Dresdenverse do not lend themselves anywhere near close to just cutting through properly massive nuclear blast rated doors especially with magical reinforcements.
BoredMan said:
Note: This would require an interdimensional phone of some sort which we do not currently have.
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We do by means of always having a clone inside that can get to and from the courts on their own.
BoredMan said:
Yes, that is how DP described it. Problem with this deduction- We don't know how long it would take to disconnect him from the land and drag him the rest of the way over. It could be several months and any delays would extend that time frame. Depending on where it opens up defending it the way you've suggested could prove unviable.
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Yes, I agree, which is why I am hesitating greatly. I think defending it will come to stunting in / rolling for initial portal's location.

This is a very heavy decision, which should be made in the best interests of our citizens, who we have responsibility for.
 
Question: How obvious will this portal be, to those who can sense these types of things?
Assuming it doesn't constantly ring like a church bell, metaphysically, then the enemy has fog of war, too.
Which would give us time to prepare and fortify.

In any case, this is both The Right Thing To Do and also has a lot of practical benefits for us.
There's not enough good reasons to not go for it at least on the spot, only vague maybes.
And worst case scenario, we find a way to close it. Which we can def do, as we know both IC and OOC.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not being cavalier about the risks. I just think we can face them and that it's worth doing so.

[x] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
[X] Plan Stargate Command
[X] Plan Fighting Fit

Yog said:
Three meters across only? So, basically something that can be blocked with a bank vault door, right? A large one, yeah, but manageable. Enchanted, obviously. First with mortal magics, and then with splendor magic.
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Yog said:
If it's a physical portal that is blocked by a heavy enchanted door on the Courtside, with the door being inside a WMD testsite bunker with a balefire bomb ready to go off, no they don't. Not really.
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That sounds... familiar :D
 
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Yog said:
We do by means of always having a clone inside that can get to and from the courts on their own.
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Forgot about this. I think we have one clone sleeping somewhere in the palace for resurrection purposes even. If they have telepathy (I believe all of Uju's do) and a phone they could leave after being informed and contact prime!Molly.

Assuming she's on Earth and not the NeverNever. So really we'd still need an interdimensional phone to be sure.

Yog said:
Yes, I agree, which is why I am hesitating greatly. I think defending it will come to stunting in / rolling for initial portal's location.

This is a very heavy decision, which should be made in the best interests of our citizens, who we have responsibility for.
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Well, at least we can agree on that.
 
Kestrel21 said:
That sounds... familiar :D
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More like this:
only about three times thicker and made out of advanced alloys and magically reinforced.
BoredMan said:
Forgot about this. I think we have one clone sleeping somewhere in the palace for resurrection purposes even. If they have telepathy (I believe all of Uju's do) and a phone they could leave after being informed and contact prime!Molly.

Assuming she's on Earth and not the NeverNever. So really we'd still need an interdimensional phone to be sure.
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True, but in most cases Molly should be within reach. Our enemies would need to coordinate very well to prevent entry, and even if they can, setting off nuclear weapons / balefire elemental bombs / exalted-forged entropic / conceptual weapons in the entry chamber is an option. This is the reason I want to place entryway into an underground nuclear-equivalent testing site. Specifically into a blast chamber where you can set off nukes.
 
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk

I do understand the allure of going flat out hubris is a cowards word. However I do feel that IC we do not have sufficient reason to take this kind of risk and OOC that it creates a permanent vulnerability existing in enemy territory for fairly minimal gain and at least a moderate delay before we can fortify this side. I just feel that its not remotely worth the risk and that we are once again grasping after shinies/pokemon in the middle of a major arc where we still have a bunch of other demands on our attention and time.
 
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".



Form of Portentous Moonlight (1 pt. Form Element)
The Splendor takes the form of something otherworldly. It may be a religious symbol, an overtly
magical object such as a wand or pentacle, or a strange haze. It may be an inchoate thing of
coalesced light which can be held and touched. This Element defines the Splendor's physical
form and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Spirit World.
Other Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor can be summoned directly into the Umbra when made to manifest, if its owner
desires. As the basis for an Adornment, it grants its user the ability to see and interact with spirits
on the other side of the Gauntlet. As the basis for a Fascination, it can interact with both the
physical world and the Spirit World.
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Second Coming (6 pt. Root Element)
This Element can only be part of an Adornment.
In the moment of its user's death, the Adornment self-destructs in a brilliant pyrotechnic display
of unbound Essence, restoring her to life with one remaining unwounded health level. The
Splendor is permanently destroyed in the process.
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This adornment is as simple as it is otherworldly; taking the form of an emerald sunbeam. It descends on the owner from above, and carries with it an unmistakably alien warmth that nonetheless reminds of the sun.

Upon the death of its owner this beam of light becomes blindingly bright before tapering away, leaving the sign of the Empress to Come burnt into the earth. Along with its owner, weakened but very much whole and alive.

System:
On death the owner is instead resorted to life with one remaining health level.

Yog said:
The portal bottleneck gives us a very big advantage. Feats of power shown in Dresdenverse do not lend themselves anywhere near close to just cutting through properly massive nuclear blast rated doors especially with magical reinforcements.
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I don't rate mundane durability highly as a concern for the real high rollers, it's magic vs magic and we're talking about very big fish.
 
BoredMan said:
We can't use the Crown of Eyes on itself or the Exaltation which the Five Court's counts as. If Nemesis gets in we'd straight up never find him unless he screws up to make himself known or we get another foci for him and think to ask.
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Nemsis doesn't matter.

No one in our courts is powerful or important enough that them getting infected is a problem. We can solve it by rotating our staff and stuff.

Loke literally no one in our sanctuary is important enough, i don't even remember their names thats how irrelevant they are.

i would welcome nemsis possesing them. Because it can't really corrupt actually complex bureaucracies like ours that don't have easy faliure points. Its the same reason its not using its infiltration against mortal nations, despite them having much easier ways of ending the world.
Its designed, narratively i mean, to be a threat to close knit groups with load bearing members and those that have no checks and balances.

Our nations are above that, aside from being irrelevant.
BoredMan said:
Dude. If you open and sustain a portal your enemies are allowed to try and use it without your permission for their own ends. It doesn't matter what you use it for this fact will not change.
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We can just won tho, like its a really objective to do. People have already suggested ways of doing it. We can explore even more options in the future.

Its just opening a new fronts and we add a world worth resources to the fight. We just gain far more than the risk with this move.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I don't rate mundane durability highly as a concern for the real high rollers, it's magic vs magic and we're talking about very big fish.
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Until you get to straight up matter erasure, which we haven't seen in DF, I think, having several meters of advanced alloys and concretes still matters. Like, Denarians still use magical fires, and not with the output required to do this in matter of seconds or even minutes, not really. And in terms of magic - Sacred Protection splendors like there's no tomorrow.

Ok, if we are doing this, we should do this right. Note, this is me voting to provide a plan for the best chance of success if we go this way. I am not personally endorsing this. It's a heavy decision.

[X] Plan Stargate Command
-[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
-[X] Activate Occult Excellency, BSM, WHWH via Lord of Land Manipulation,
-[X] Select the Sanctuary-side emergence point in a military facility rated for extremely destructive tests, like a balefire or final death research and testing black sites in deep Outer Wastes
-[X] Stunt: Heavy is the Head that wears the Crown, and never before had it felt heavier. To take a risk, expose those under your aegis to new dangers - rhampires attacking, Nemesis infiltration, nuclear weapon strikes, all for the sake of your conflict, and to save one life? You almost turn away. The world around you responds to your inner turmoil, the chill of the wastes permeating the air, causing condensation to gather on your armored shoulders, as it almost starts to rain. And yet, embraced as you are by the touch of the world of your soul, you remember - your subjects are not weak. From the first time you met, they have been eager to test themselves against the challenge of the wider cosmos. To boldly stride forward. And with that reminder, you cast out your sight, mystic senses and that which in mortal tongues is called Intellectus combining to select the best possible emergency point.

[X] Plan Fighting Fit
 
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BronzeTongue said:
I don't rate mundane durability highly as a concern for the real high rollers, it's magic vs magic and we're talking about very big fish.
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He is talking about Magic versus magic we can make magical metal in the form of Prima Metallum as well as reinforce it with any other alchemical metals we can get from our courts along with making the vault itself magical. Though what would the denarians even show up for here? We have an enemy background with them that is true but why would they Trek to the ass end of nowhere to try and invade a never never Realm rather than just attempt to kill us directly which most of them Excel way more in than trying to Siege down a fortified positions with people who also have magic and guns would be defending.
 
Yog said:
True, but in most cases Molly should be within reach. Our enemies would need to coordinate very well to prevent entry, and even if they can, setting off nuclear weapons / balefire elemental bombs / exalted-forged entropic / conceptual weapons in the entry chamber is an option. This is the reason I want to place entryway into an underground nuclear-equivalent testing site. Specifically into a blast chamber where you can set off nukes.
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I like the way you think, if it's to be done at all I mean.

IIRC Sanctuary was said to not really have nukes, or if they do, not of the yield we're familiar with but it does have smaller elemental bombs yes. I don't think we can forge bombs like your describing without specific knowledge that Molly doesn't possess though.

If we were to go about it like this as far as location goes, I just remembered that we have Lord of the Land so while it's still very important where it ends up it would be workable to an extent even if it say ends up in an ocean.
 
Yog said:
Until you get to straight up matter erasure, which we haven't seen in DF, I think, having several meters of advanced alloys and concretes still matters. Like, Denarians still use magical fires, and not with the output required to do this in matter of seconds or even minutes, not really. And in terms of magic - Sacred Protection splendors like there's no tomorrow.

Ok, if we are doing this, we should do this right. Note, this is me voting to provide a plan for the best chance of success if we go this way. I am not personally endorsing this. It's a heavy decision.

[X] Plan Stargate Command
-[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
-[X] Activate Occult Excellency, BSM, WHWH via Lord of Land Manipulation,
-[X] Select the Sanctuary-side emergence point in a military facility rated for extremely destructive tests, like a balefire or final death research and testing black sites in deep Outer Wastes
-[X] Stunt: Heavy is the Head that wears the Crown, and never before had it felt heavier. To take a risk, expose those under your aegis to new dangers - rhampires attacking, Nemesis infiltration, nuclear weapon strikes, all for the sake of your conflict, and to save one life? You almost turn away. The world around you responds to your inner turmoil, the chill of the wastes permeating the air, causing condensation to gather on your armored shoulders, as it almost starts to rain. And yet, embraced as you are by the touch of the world of your soul, you remember - your subjects are not weak. From the first time you met, they have been eager to test themselves against the challenge of the wider cosmos. To boldly stride forward. And with that reminder, you cast out your sight, mystic senses and that which in mortal tongues is called Intellectus combining to select the best possible emergency point.
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Hellfire is the principle of entropy. Harry's fumbling use for it isn't the peak of the art, just to name one example. I think you're making some dangerous assumptions based on little to no data.

Also, mind adding FPoR to your buff list? It doesn't have an essence cost so we should use it like BSM.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I don't rate mundane durability highly as a concern for the real high rollers, it's magic vs magic and we're talking about very big fish.
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Its not a big deal. We already know a full proof magic defence, or two rather. First is we make a magic circle and close it. Just have a thousand sorcerers constantly reinforce it with rituals. We have billions this is a minor expens.

Or we can just make the bunker the home of a massive yet close family, that stops magic dead.
 
Degorium said:
He is talking about Magic versus magic we can make magical metal in the form of Prima Metallum as well as reinforce it with any other alchemical metals we can get from our courts along with making the vault itself magical. Though what would the denarians even show up for here? We have an enemy background with them that is true but why would they Trek to the ass end of nowhere to try and invade a never never Realm rather than just attempt to kill us directly which most of them Excel way more in than trying to Siege down a fortified positions with people who also have magic and guns would be defending.
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The portal being permanent means it's going to be a problem for a while. They're a good example of long term opposition with the ability to be a serious problem.

Linear Sorcery Vs Fallen Angels isn't a great matchup.
 
[X] Plan Stargate Command

[X] Plan Fighting Fit

I like both options.
I'm also dropping
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
In case one those plans are ruled nonviable while I sleep. I want to stick it to the Reds, dammit
 
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later

We can sever the gate later. Save him now.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
The portal being permanent means it's going to be a problem for a while. They're a good example of long term opposition with the ability to be a serious problem.

Linear Sorcery Vs Fallen Angels isn't a great matchup.
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It's only permanent until it isn't it's not actually a fixed hole in the world. They would need to divert away from whatever they're already doing to do that which considering they don't move in unison or plan together I'm not sure who would show up to volunteer to a trek to the ass end of nowhere. It's also not really Fallen Angels versus linear Sorcerers it's human bodies with Fallen Angels either adjacent or in coins onset human bodies that maybe have magic of their own but most likely don't.
 
Acolyte said:
Nemsis doesn't matter.
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Acolyte said:
Loke literally no one in our sanctuary is important enough, i don't even remember their names thats how irrelevant they are.

i would welcome nemsis possesing them.
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You... What even is this post?

BronzeTongue said:
The portal being permanent means it's going to be a problem for a while. They're a good example of long term opposition with the ability to be a serious problem.
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Does anyone want the portal to be permanent??? @Yog said he doesn't is anyone arguing for that?
 
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk

I would love to save that god really I would but the risks simply outweigh the potential benefits.
Yes Molly has armies, rapidly gaining experience and allies but her enemies are skilled, ruthless and should not be underestimated. Part of the reason for our many success is the fact that people are still trying to learn more about us and our capabilities.

Leaving a way to Sanctuary (our soul) in enemy territory is downright reckless and forgive my language foolish no matter how well secured we could make it and how temporary it could be. This is like knowingly leaving a small hole in your castle defenses, sure you know where the weak spot is and can do your best to cover it and prepare contingencies but it's still a grave threat

We should also be thinking about our citizens. Remember molly rules over five billion people who look to her for guidance and consider her to be their God and we have a duty and responsibility towards them all.Let's not just open doorways to her soul and innermost being for now.

For all we know this could be an improvised trap as they might know the god is tied to the land and we can't remove him without leaving something behind. Maybe they are no expecting a doorway but something being left anyway that they can study and learn from which will be still bad.
 
BoredMan said:
I like the way you think, if it's to be done at all I mean.

IIRC Sanctuary was said to not really have nukes, or if they do, not of the yield we're familiar with but it does have smaller elemental bombs yes. I don't think we can forge bombs like your describing without specific knowledge that Molly doesn't possess though.

If we were to go about it like this as far as location goes, I just remembered that we have Lord of the Land so while it's still very important where it ends up it would be workable to an extent even if it say ends up in an ocean.
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Balefire elemental bombs were stated to be our nuke equivalents. And I am fairly sure we can speedrun a nuclear program, as well as retrieve some broken arrows (lost nukes).
BronzeTongue said:
Hellfire is the principle of entropy. Harry's fumbling use for it isn't the peak of the art, just to name one example. I think you're making some dangerous assumptions based on little to no data.

Also, mind adding FPoR to your buff list? It doesn't have an essence cost so we should use it like BSM.
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On hellfire - true to an extent, but it's still usually elementally aspected, and we can make perfect defenses against it.

On FPoR - I am unsure what rolls to setup.

On Denarians - we were warned about trying to take a coin inside. I am fairly sure that as a flip side, a denarian is not actually allowed to invade, or at least this would result in an immediate intervention. The swords aren't allowed to come on. O think coins might not be allowed either.

And also let me add the vote for you too.
 
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Yog said:
Balefire elemental bombs were stated to be our nuke equivalents. And I am fairly sure we can speedrun a nuclear program, as well as retrieve some broken arrows (lost nukes).
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That's an option, though all of this is really dependent on Lord of the Land allowing Molly to passively take away respawn from invading enemies she's not yet aware of. We need DP to weigh in on that, otherwise killing intruders or armies won't matter as much if they just come back soon after in the FFC anyway.


Yog said:
On Denarians - we were warned about trying to take a coin inside. I am fairly sure that as a flip side, a denarian is not actually allowed to invade, or at least this would result in an immediate intervention. The swords aren't allowed to come on. O think coins might not be allowed either.
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I think that was because Lucifer gets leeway to keep Coins in circulation as part of the Heaven vs Hell game and Hell is any place without God so...

Even if that is the case though a Denarian can operate without their Coin just without as much power.
 
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Acolyte said:
Like they don't really matter and won't be a big deal if a few of them get infected. They don't do shit, they have no intiative in anything relavent.
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We utilize troops from Sanctuary, use it as a secure base that can't be spied on even by Angels, and it's located in the middle of Molly's soul. It's status is very important.

Edit: Also one of Molly's brothers actively trains there.
 
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[X] Plan Stargate Command

I just want to bring 500 balefire bombs and other equally destructive weapons and drop them all at once on the Reds' territories. Is that so wrong?

Besides, we can spend another Summer favor, since I think there are more of them than Winter, to help fortify the area.
 
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