[X] Plan Private Talks with the Power Couple and Studies.
 
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The concern is that if the Velaryon's marry Viserys, the only other dragon riders we'll have in a potential dance against them are Rhaenyra's kids. And Laeana/Laenor/Rhaenys are a bit heavier weighted on dragons than Rhaenyra alone, with how much we've pissed off daemon.
The problem with Laena is that the Velaryons are now in ascendancy. It would mean having to face a half brother with two dragon riders and the wealthiest man on the continent on his side if it came to civil war.
Well, the risk there could be significantly reduced if we marry our children to Visery's and Laena's children, besides taking into account that Laena and Rhaenyra are going to start having children, it clicks very well...

I doubt that Rhanys and Corlys are going to start a civil war when one of their grandchildren is assured to sit on the Iron Throne.
Really wishing we hadn't taken the find love ambition so we could have just married Laenor right now.
OTOH with a heathy and loving marriage is mucho likely that our children will end up as well adjusted and functional, instead of the mess that tends to happen with Targaryens...

Hopefully, we can help Laenor end up with our cousin Jeyne Arynn, it is probably the best settlement that these two are likely to have.
Cannibal is already a option?.
Bad idea, sending anyone for the Cannibal would be considered straight-up murder...

If you want to get rid of someone it is better to send them to try to claim Sheepstealer, a seemingly harmless wild dragon that always avoided hurting people on his hunts and killed 3 times more Dragonseeds than Vermithor...

And if you want to keep them busy, the best thing is to send them after Grey Ghost and make the poor fucker spend years trying to track the little fellow down...
I mean still have 3 wilds-Vermithor,Silverwing and Gray Ghost,the problem is that Gray Ghost is very.....shy and difficult to find.
Vermithor, Silverwing, and Dreamfyre are not "wild" dragons since they already have had riders... The wild dragons of Dragonstone are The Cannibal, Grey Ghost, and Sheepstealer.
 
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Not sure who we should try to get our dad to marry yet but one potentially advantage with Leana is that since she is so young it will take longer for an heir to be produced giving us more time to shore up our position as heir.

Ah, he is the King and needs to marry and have more descendants to further guarantee the succession for the case if something happens to Rhaenyra and Daemon, he would not have a direct Targaryen successor, unfortunately that is how it works, a monarch cannot afford to have few heirs.
 
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I do actually want to start Jaime-training - if we're fighting uphill as Warrior Queen on I wanna go all in on that.
 
Bad idea, sending anyone for the Cannibal would be considered straight-up murder...

If you want to get rid of someone it is better to send them to try to claim Sheepstealer, a seemingly harmless wild dragon that always avoided hurting people on his hunts and killed 3 times more Dragonseeds than Vermithor...

And if you want to keep them busy, the best thing is to send them after Grey Ghost and make the poor fucker spend years trying to track the little fellow down...
Yeah no, if you're gonna convince Laena to try and grab another dragon (And the window for even trying that is rapidly closing) it's gonna be something like Silverwing, Dreamfyre or Vermithor. The Wild dragons are something she has no interest in claiming and not something her parents would let her try even if she was.


Ah, he is the King and needs to marry and have more descendants to further guarantee the succession for the case if something happens to Rhaenyra and Daemon, he would not have a direct Targaryen successor, unfortunately that is how it works, a monarch cannot afford to have few heirs.
Things are generally very stable in the seven kingdoms but there is a bit of instablity to the current situation with the Monarchy. With Daemon having left there are three claimed dragons in Westeros. Syrax, Meleys and Seasmoke. two of those belong to family of the Sea Snake. So if Corlys decides "Fuck it, I'm gonna home and not helping the King do shit" then legitmately, we're the last Dragonrider the crown has avaiable to it. This point is Visery's reign is unironically the weakest the Crown has ever been in terms of dragon-riders. Also the first time in the century since Aegon's Conquest that the King hasn't had a dragon.

The succession is also a bit bad right now since if Viserys died now Succession would go Rhaenyra, Daemon (Who a lot of the Realm really does not want as King), Rhaenys, her kids, and that's it.

So Viserys basically has to remarry and have more kids for the good of the Realm and the family but uh, half-brothers are kind of inherently a threat to us even if Viserys has made clear that we are his heir no matter what.
 
Well, the risk there could be significantly reduced if we marry our children to Visery's and Laena's children, besides taking into account that Laena and Rhaenyra are going to start having children, it clicks very well...

I doubt that Rhanys and Corlys are going to start a civil war when one of their grandchildren is assured to sit on the Iron Throne.
That still leaves the issue that their grandson, our half brother, would have the stronger claim under Andal succession laws, would likely be more popular then us among the lords if not for Viserys' dictat (if that) and would have more dragons at his side.

Why wouldn't they tell us in that case that we're the ones who should be satisfied by having our bloodline on the Iron Throne via a betrothal once their grandson inherits the throne?
 
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Well, the risk there could be significantly reduced if we marry our children to Visery's and Laena's children, besides taking into account that Laena and Rhaenyra are going to start having children, it clicks very well...

I doubt that Rhanys and Corlys are going to start a civil war when one of their grandchildren is assured to sit on the Iron Throne.

Bethrothing babies and waiting a generation or two for stuff is happen is something people inherently don't trust. Especially when they could, you know, just have themselves or their existing kids on the throne. This goes double when the babies are all still hypothetical.
 
Yeah no, if you're gonna convince Laena to try and grab another dragon (And the window for even trying that is rapidly closing) it's gonna be something like Silverwing, Dreamfyre or Vermithor. The Wild dragons are something she has no interest in claiming and not something her parents would let her try even if she was.
That was supposed to be a joke... I just find it quite funny that Sheepstaler killed more people than Vermithor, Silverwing, and Seasmoke combined, and that despite being a frigging dragon Grey Ghost was never found BUT a crippled Sunfyre took him down when he could have just flown away...
Why wouldn't they tell us in that case that we're the ones who should be satisfied by having our bloodline on the Iron Throne via a betrothal once their grandson inherits the throne?
(also given the dragon situation and everyone else having more of them than we... we could use some specific dornish expertise :p )
A good reason for Nyra to marry young and make sure that our children claim Silverwing, Verminthor, and Dreamfyre...
If Dorne was an option for Viserys to marry from I would pick it, with the Dornish blooded Targs luck in keeping the Iron Throne...
Which is a damm shame TBH... Targaryen and Martell's marriages tend to produce stand-up guys and gals with a good heart and a quick mind...
Things are generally very stable in the seven kingdoms but there is a bit of instablity to the current situation with the Monarchy. With Daemon having left there are three claimed dragons in Westeros. Syrax, Meleys and Seasmoke. two of those belong to family of the Sea Snake. So if Corlys decides "Fuck it, I'm gonna home and not helping the King do shit" then legitmately, we're the last Dragonrider the crown has avaiable to it. This point is Visery's reign is unironically the weakest the Crown has ever been in terms of dragon-riders. Also the first time in the century since Aegon's Conquest that the King hasn't had a dragon.

The succession is also a bit bad right now since if Viserys died now Succession would go Rhaenyra, Daemon (Who a lot of the Realm really does not want as King), Rhaenys, her kids, and that's it.

So Viserys basically has to remarry and have more kids for the good of the Realm and the family but uh, half-brothers are kind of inherently a threat to us even if Viserys has made clear that we are his heir no matter what.
You know there is a third option that would stabilize things at least for a time and strengthen the crown significantly... Viserys could try to claim one of the 4 riderless dragons, and considering that he was the last rider of the fucking Black Dread, I am sure he still has it in him...
 
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A good reason for Nyra to marry young and make sure that our children claim Silverwing, Verminthor, and Dreamfyre...
Silverwing at least should be a cinch. She's a sweetheart who canonically doesn't kill even a single person during the sowing of the seeds even though no doubt at least some of the people who tried to claim her were people without a drop of Targaryen blood who had no idea what they're doing. She's reason enough to have at least one of our kids be without a cradle egg so they can try to claim her later.

Just need to make sure no one claims her until one of our children manages to do so.
 
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Yeah that's pretty one sided
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If Dorne was an option for Viserys to marry from I would pick it, with the Dornish blooded Targs luck in keeping the Iron Throne...
You don't know the full extent of your options, I am not above OCs


You know there is a third option that would stabilize things at least for a time and strengthen the crown significantly... Viserys could try to claim one of the 4 riderless dragons, and considering that he was the last rider of the fucking Black Dread, I am sure he still has it in him...
Viserys will require some convicing since he seems to have some fear of them and a rider claiming a second dragon has never been attempted.
 
Actually, speaking of cradle eggs, are we going to be rolling dice to see if they hatch or is it going to be a narrative thing?
 
Silverwing at least should be a cinch. She's a sweetheart who canonically doesn't kill even a single person during the sowing of the seeds even though no doubt at least some of the people who tried to claim her were people without a drop of Targaryen blood who had no idea what they're doing. She's reason enough to have at least one of our kids be without a cradle egg so they can try to claim her later.

Just need to make sure no one claims her until one of our children manages to do so.
Well, since the only ones that can claim dragons would be Rahenyra's kids, Viserys new kids, Laena and her kids, Daemon's kids and (hypothetically) Laenor's kids, that seems relatively easy, especially because Silverwing lives in Dragonstone, and it would be not polite for anyone to try to claim a dragon living in our turf without asking for permission...
Actually, speaking of cradle eggs, are we going to be rolling dice to see if they hatch or is it going to be a narrative thing?
The funny thing is that the Cradle Egg thingy was apparently forbidden by Jaehaerys after what happened to poor Aerea (the idea was to wait until the riders were old and strong enough to control their dragons) , and that is why in the Rhaenyra, Laena, and Laenor never had dragons eggs put on their cradles...
 
The Rhaenyra and Aegon II method - waiting for the kid to be a preteen and then having them bond a hatched but young and never ridden dragon actually ended up with a nice risk reward balance.
They both weren't at huge danger, but got a dragon that could fly and fight relatively quickly (vs all of Rhaenyra's kids, Daeron and Baela having small and relatively vulnerable dragons)

Unfortunately it also requires having a calm young dragon available at the right time...
 
Unfortunately it also requires having a calm young dragon available at the right time...

That's why Silverwing is so good. She has pre Rook Rest's Sunfyre's personality while being about four times his age. Unless we have a kid who we for some reason think has an exceptionally good chance of bonding with Dreamfyre or Vemithor then Silverwing should probably be the first we should have them try to bond with once they're of age.
 
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That's why Silverwing is so good. She has pre Rook Rest's Sunfyre's personality while being about four times his age. Unless we have a kid who we for some reason think has an exceptionally good chance of bonding with Dreamfyre or Vemithor then Silverwing should probably be the first we should have them try to bond with once they're of age.
TBH Dreamfyre and Sunfyre might also be good candidates if we preempt our possible future siblings. Both seem to be relatively chill.
Vemithor and Vhagar definitely the two I wouldn't want my kids near though :V
 
TBH Dreamfyre and Sunfyre might also be good candidates if we preempt our possible future siblings. Both seem to be relatively chill.
Vemithor and Vhagar definitely the two I wouldn't want my kids near though :V
Dreamfyre is actually the second oldest dragon after Vhagar right now, having been the dragon of Jaehaerys' and Alyssane's big sister. She might be somewhat smaller then Vermithor, but she's probably at least the size of Meleys and Caraxes, if not larger, and multiple times the size of Sunfyre by the time of the dance. In that regard she'd be a much bigger concern then Sunfyre.

This time around who ever claims Dreamfyre, if they end up being our enemy, might not be as averse to taking her into battle as Helaena.
 
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