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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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[X] "I just always knew in my heart that this is what I wanted to be. No. That this is who I truly am. Maybe it is selfish of me, but is it not worth fighting for what you know to be the truth?"
 
Fanhunter696 said:
And another thing regarding Alicent watching Rhaenyra train, which percentage of that is envy (in the sense of "I would love to be like her"), and what is that she feels attracted to us?
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Alicent is just constantly going "Do I want to be her? Or be with her?" The eternal lesbian struggle

[] "I wanted to protect my family. I knew if my mother ever gave me a brother he would have been a lot younger than me, perhaps even come to throne young, and I wanted to make sure he had someone to protect him."

Ali might like this one, as she would probably understand that from her older brothers. And while I do want to get on a soapbox and start preaching the revolution to her, we'd need to spend more time with her to get the girl actually starting to want to listen to us about that. (And we also need to get her to listen to us if we want to be a girlkisser with her)
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."

I changed my option once again; while this isn't soapboxing, it is a bit more forward on our approach here. And, who knows, maybe the ultimate repressed lesbian herself might find something about that nice. You know, whenever she figures out the other reason why she enjoys our training so much.
 
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Bearing in mind what the QM told us about how Alicent is less adverse to our behavior here then in canon because she finds there to be a certain selfless element in it, I think Axel's write in is pretty off the mark. Rather then saying that our behavior is for the sake of someone else or some grander cause then ourself, Axel's write in depicts it as being essentially all about us, and seems like it'd be antithetical to someon looking for a selfless motivation for our actions. To that end, out of the premade options, this one seems the most fitting to me:

[X] "I wanted to protect my family. I knew if my mother ever gave me a brother he would have been a lot younger than me, perhaps even come to throne young, and I wanted to make sure he had someone to protect him."

And an approval vote for a write in of mine, based more on our behavior being motivated by what we consider to be our duty as a royal.

[X] Write in: "I will not shirk what is needed of me as a royal, least of all now as heir. What would have been of the Rhoynar but dust and ash had Nymeria simply garbed herself in silks and trusted in prince Garin, and later in her husband prince Mors Martell to lead them alone through battle and adversity? What would have been of house Targaryen itself had Rhaenys not brought herself to battle with no less courage then her siblings during conquest time and time again, even at the cost of eventually dying in battle? My own great grandfather Jaehaerys, once he knew he was to take the throne, is said to have spent day after day of his minority training with sword and shield in order to project an image of strength when his time to rule came. I will not allow myself to shirk my duty as heir to the Iron Throne, least of all by excusing such neglect due to me being a woman."

Because there have been more warrior queens then just Visenya, because I think that speaking about the duty of our station as a Targaryen and heir to the Iron Throne should resonate with someone so fixated in fulfilling the duty of her station as Alicent and because what we are doing as a 14 years old is literally what the greatest king Westeros is said to have ever had was doing in our age. Jaehaerys spent his minority while he was waiting for the regency to end obsessively training in how to fight because he wanted to look stronger then his weak father Aenys I. He would even have his kingsuard train him like we are doing. Saying we shouldn't train ourself in a real sense can be construed as trying to give ourself a pass from our duty as heir because we shouldn't have to do that work because of our gender. Pull an Uno reverse card on Alicent and ask her by pointing out to her that she's effectively asking us to not meet the requirements of our station as heir to the Iron Throne.

@Teen Spirit is this write in acceptable?
 
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Adjusting my vote somewhat to be a bit more clearer about the angle.

[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."

I severely dislike the family option, particularly because it makes no sense as a desire when there's literally the seven best knights in the realm doing that job already.
 
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We shouldn't just say stuff we don't believe just to please her, though, and it does go further than just family for us. Also, we do want to make some progress, maybe.

So switching back to my write-in:
[X] "I can't rely on men for this, who are just as likely to abuse you then actually protect you. I need to learn how to protect myself... and you, if need be."
 
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."

(lol posted at nearly the same time as Azel)
 
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
[X] "I wanted to protect my family. I knew if my mother ever gave me a brother he would have been a lot younger than me, perhaps even come to throne young, and I wanted to make sure he had someone to protect him."

I like both of Azel's write-ins, but I'm a sucker for wanting to protect your family.
 
Azel said:
Adjusting my vote somewhat to be a bit more clearer about the angle.

[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."

I severely dislike the family option, particularly because it makes no sense as a desire when there's literally the seven best knights in the realm doing that job already.
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You could say that about any royal learning how to fight though, not just us. Why learn how to use a sword when you have a Kingsguard who can wield swords for you?
 
Imperious said:
You could say that about any royal learning how to fight though, not just us. Why learn how to use a sword when you have a Kingsguard who can wield swords for you?
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Because for sausage wielders it's normal and kinda expected.

In return, how does picking fights in the Red Keep protect our family? The explanation just makes no sense in light of our established prior behavior. Or, for that matter, the threads desire to see Daemon dead or gone.
 
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
Azel said:
Because for sausage wielders it's normal and kinda expected.

In return, how does picking fights in the Red Keep protect our family? The explanation just makes no sense in light of our established prior behavior. Or, for that matter, the threads desire to see Daemon dead or gone.
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I guess that as a dragonrider, one of the best things we would have been able to do to shore up our brother's reign had he lived was to be able to head into battle with our dragon. We've been told by Teen Spirit that the growth of our dragon is affected by our own physical development, but we likely don't know that IC. However if we'd be heading into battle often it might be prudent for us to know something of combat and war anyway.

Aside from that, ability in combat could have had us act as our brother's judicial champion if we were to really become one of the best fighters in the continent in cases prisoners were to demand trial by combat. Jaehaerys for example is known to have represented the crown in a trial by combat at least once. So did Maegor in a Trial of Seven. It's perhaps worth remembering in discussions about combat ability in ASOIAF that in Westeros an ace warrior can also moonlight as an ace litigator, both as the the defense and as the prosecution.
 
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[X] Plan: If not us then who

"I'm so tired of being forced to be something I'm not. All our lives we are forced to cater to men and their beliefs of how a proper woman should behave. Maybe not every woman wants to pick up the blade or lead a household, but we deserve to have more. We should at least make that choice for ourselves!"

" I want- no need to prove that I'm just as if not more capable than any man, so I can make the changes that need to be made. Until I have their hearts however, I have to play to ther games. For all my gifts, decorum isn't one of them and I find myself chafing trying to manage their expectations."

*grab her hands*

"You Alicent, you know how they act and how they think.."

" I'm asking for your aid, not as the heir to the throne, but as your friend.. please help me. Your father is Otto Hightower, you know better than most how to play their games and beat them at it. If I'm to inherit my father's duties, then why can you do the same."

"…. I have my own hopes outside of being a good ruler, I want to be kind, to be good and honest and most importantly to find someone to love and cherish. But I can't make those dreams a reality without help, I need a close confidant, someone to provide advice on difficult decisions and to support me when I falter on my path."

"If we maneuver this properly, who is to say the first queen of the seven kingdoms won't have a female hand."
 
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[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
Erasa said:
[X] Plan: If not us then who

"I'm so tired of being forced to be something I'm not. All our lives we are forced to cater to men and their beliefs of how a proper woman should behave. Maybe not every woman wants to pick up the blade or lead a household, but we deserve to have more. We should at least make that choice for ourselves!"

" I want- no need to prove that I'm just as if not more capable than any man, so I can make the changes that need to be made. Until I have their hearts however, I have to play to ther games. For all my gifts, decorum isn't one of them and I find myself chafing trying to manage their expectations."

*grab her hands*

"You Alicent, you know how they act and how they think.."

" I'm asking for your aid, not as the heir to the throne, but as your friend.. please help me. Your father is Otto Hightower, you know better than most how to play their games and beat them at it. If I'm to inherit my father's duties, then why can you do the same."

"…. I have my own hopes outside of being a good ruler, I want to be kind, to be good and honest and most importantly to find someone to love and cherish. But I can't make those dreams a reality without help, I need a close confidant, someone to provide advice on difficult decisions and to support me when I falter on my path."

"If we maneuver this properly, who is to say the first queen of the seven kingdoms won't have a female hand."
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No that's really outside of the original question.
 
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
Teen Spirit said:
No that's really outside of the original question.
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Is the following write in approved?
Imperious said:
[X] Write in: "I will not shirk what is needed of me as a royal, least of all now as heir. What would have been of the Rhoynar but dust and ash had Nymeria simply garbed herself in silks and trusted in prince Garin, and later in her husband prince Mors Martell to lead them alone through battle and adversity? What would have been of house Targaryen itself had Rhaenys not brought herself to battle with no less courage then her siblings during conquest time and time again, even at the cost of eventually dying in battle? My own great grandfather Jaehaerys, once he knew he was to take the throne, is said to have spent day after day of his minority training with sword and shield in order to project an image of strength when his time to rule came. I will not allow myself to shirk my duty as heir to the Iron Throne, least of all by excusing such neglect due to me being a woman."

Because there have been more warrior queens then just Visenya, because I think that speaking about the duty of our station as a Targaryen and heir to the Iron Throne should resonate with someone so fixated in fulfilling the duty of her station as Alicent and because what we are doing as a 14 years old is literally what the greatest king Westeros is said to have ever had was doing in our age. Jaehaerys spent his minority while he was waiting for the regency to end obsessively training in how to fight because he wanted to look stronger then his weak father Aenys I. He would even have his kingsuard train him like we are doing. Saying we shouldn't train ourself in a real sense can be construed as trying to give ourself a pass from our duty as heir because we shouldn't have to do that work because of our gender. Pull an Uno reverse card on Alicent and ask her by pointing out to her that she's effectively asking us to not meet the requirements of our station as heir to the Iron Throne.

@Teen Spirit is this write in acceptable?
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Teen Spirit said:
Problem is it's really leaning on her being heir and Rhaenyra very specifically wanted to be a knight before she was heir.
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That's why I included the examples of Nymeria and Rhaenys. Nymeria wasn't an official heir, but she had the capability to take command when Garin and the Rhoynar were slaughtered by the Valyrian dragons, and later when her husband died in battle against the Yrnwoods. Rhaenys wasn't ever heir to the Iron Throne, but did have to take to the battle field atop Meraxes as part of Aegon's wars*. The idea is to say that as a royal and dragonrider we have a duty to know how to head into battle even as a woman, as Nymeria and Rhaenys did, and that now that we're heir, that duty is increased, as Jaehaerys felt when he was still under regency.

Would the write in be fine if I put less emphasis on specifically being heir and just focus on being a royal and dragonrider alone?

*So did our grandfather have to do during Jaehaerys' wars, even when Aemon was still alive and heir.
 
Teen Spirit said:
Yeah
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This good?
[] Write in: "I will not shirk what is needed of me as a royal, least of all now as heir. What would have been of the Rhoynar but dust and ash had Nymeria simply garbed herself in silks and trusted in prince Garin, and later in her husband prince Mors Martell to lead them alone through battle and adversity? What would have been of house Targaryen itself had Rhaenys not brought herself to battle with no less courage then her siblings during conquest time and time again, even at the cost of eventually dying in battle? As a Targaryen and as a dragonrider I have a duty to my house and to the realm to be no less comfortable in armor then in silk and if need be to feel no less at home at a hastily set up barracks then at a palace.
 
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[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
[X] "I could not bear to stand idly by as others suffered when I had the strength to aid them. They told me that it was not a princesses place to do so, but that of a knight. There was no choice. It is who I truly am. And I could not bear to fight my own heart for every day of my life."
 
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