Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
- Thread starter Yzarc
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Pity unlimited resources has no chance of ever winning as is. To many people voted without thinking about how powerful it would be.
You're assuming that the Imperium are on our side. Chaos aren't our only potential enemies.
I thought the hypno-therapy was to ensure loyalty, rather than to substitute for training.
What is almost certain though, is that Chaoters train marines an awful lot more than Legions did. The entire scout to marine pipeline taking a decade under the supervision of a Sargent responsible for training a squad is a post-Heresy innovation I think. During the Great Crusade the training pipeline was much more abbreviated, it, apparently taking a year from recruitment to serving as a full space marine thanks to the use of techniques that accelerate organ maturation and then them not serving as a Scout in the field for five years before they can be considered for promotion.
That is true the Imperium might be tricked into thinking we are on their side for a time, but that is something to hope for and by no means a guarantee. If things go badly enough our first meeting with Magnus and the Emperor they could end with us killing both of them and then having to fight what's left of the Imperium of Man.
This is my dream scenario.
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Settra was fun, hope to see him back in the future.
The other thing is that the more economically developed Colchis is, the more likely it is that the Emperor will choose to use us for now in the assumption that he can kill us later.
Anti-Chaos wards won't help us build Colchis up. Macros wyldshaping will.
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- Reno Nv
[X] (Unique) Awakened Machine Spirits (As the Worldsoul is partly a machine spirit, any tech made on the world or in orbit, will automatically be given an awakened Machine Spirit)
[X] (Unique) Anti-Chaos Wards (Any attempt to attack the planet and/or the Worldsoul is hit with -5 dice)
[X] (Unique) Unlimited resources (Raw Materials grow continuously from the core so you will never run out)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
Revote as Unlimited resources are just that good.
[X] (Unique) Anti-Chaos Wards (Any attempt to attack the planet and/or the Worldsoul is hit with -5 dice)
[X] (Unique) Unlimited resources (Raw Materials grow continuously from the core so you will never run out)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
Revote as Unlimited resources are just that good.
I'm of the thought that both of you are vastly overestimating how much the emperor actually cares about being the hegemon of the Galaxy. Roboute Guilliman was allowed to seemingly endlessly expand the breath of territory and influence the Ultramar sector was allowed to have during the Great Crusade. None of the other primarchs had anything other than a planet during that time and they still remained in control of all of their planets. The Imperium of man before the age of apostasy is a bunch of separate polities that pay a tithe for technology and protection. In a not dissimilar manner to the Holy Roman Empire.
Planets are brought in under governments whether they are democratic autocratic oligarchic or otherwise with seemingly no concern for their government types or how large they were or how exactly their laws worked as long as they were in line with the greater imperiums which seem to boil down to at least in 30k do not be a chaos worshiper, do not deal with xenos. The Council of Nicea doesn't happen until near the Horus Heresy so being a psycher is fine. Unless the emperor just he is a caricature he's not going to care about how advanced the planet is, he's not going to care what we do during the Crusade just like he didn't care when the Ultramar sector grew, just like he didn't care when the Night Haunter was skinning Nobles and letting their blood rain down on the populace below, when Sanguineous and Fulgrim seduced the governments and people of Worlds to fall in line, just like he didn't care when Magnus would preserve both at zenos and regular history of all the subjects that he took. If we establish essentially a Colchis sector and just endlessly take worlds even if they men and ships are provided by the Imperium which they probably will not be he's not going to care.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Honestly, not sure. Conflicting lore. But not important as it really does not apply to you.
I will just state that as long as you do not want to drive Humanity to extinction he will have surprisingly few problems. His core Intimacy is and will always be "Ensure Humanity Survives".
Again not that he will not have problems, but less than you think.
I am not saying that you should not create contingencies or such, but the Emperor has been characterizes widely due to multiple authors taking a go at him. Because of this, I fixed a background for him first, based on the lore and then looked at how he was characterized and took the stuff that makes sense with his background leaving out the rest.
So while the books provide a good guide, keep in mind the old saying, "Everything and nothing is canon in 40k"
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So you want to lose the Emperor death means the Chaos wins and expand the Eye of Terror to cover the entire galaxy.
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[X] (Unique) Awakened Machine Spirits (As the Worldsoul is partly a machine spirit, any tech made on the world or in orbit, will automatically be given an awakened Machine Spirit)
[X] (Unique) Anti-Chaos Wards (Any attempt to attack the planet and/or the Worldsoul is hit with -5 dice)
[X] (Unique) Unlimited resources (Raw Materials grow continuously from the core so you will never run out)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
[X] (Unique) Anti-Chaos Wards (Any attempt to attack the planet and/or the Worldsoul is hit with -5 dice)
[X] (Unique) Unlimited resources (Raw Materials grow continuously from the core so you will never run out)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
Sounds like SCP Verse's canon rule.
Have you considered that i just despise him. I want him to have a bad time.
Nah, we'd win.
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It's gonna be mars level with the tech spread start. And I'm pretty sure there's dark age remnants we can research to improve that further. And with the terraforming we can just build up the system further. Unlimited resources would be good though to spam orbitals throughout the system.
@Yzarc Is the Emperor gonna come instantly or would we have time to explore our space region and build up further?
looking at the wording, terraforming integration consumes the machine Thalassa build, so if we don't get this, do we keep the machine? and if we do can we try to intgrate this to the world spirit latter with higher difficulty/less of a reward then what's offered now?
can we apply anti-Chaos wards as an action with greater difficulty and/or less benefit? maybe a cost of magic ingredients needed?
need to ask cause these 2 options seem to have potential actions we can take while the others are locked away if we don't choose them
also with the update/clarification can someone fill me on what we are dropping if we go for Unlimited resources?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
It is gone, it was formed from dreams and they vanish when you wake up. If you integrate it, it stays permanently.
Not sure what you are asking here?
The Wards automatically apply and you cannot build on top of them. Only the highest applies. They do not stack.
Funny that you ask this just now. Wait for the interlude. You are right that Lorgar was originally found at 857 or 20ish years from now but that time has changed.
[X] (Unique) Awakened Machine Spirits (As the Worldsoul is partly a machine spirit, any tech made on the world or in orbit, will automatically be given an awakened Machine Spirit)
[X] (Unique) Anti-Chaos Wards (Any attempt to attack the planet and/or the Worldsoul is hit with -5 dice)
[X] (Unique) Unlimited resources (Raw Materials grow continuously from the core so you will never run out)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
[X] (Unique) Anti-Chaos Wards (Any attempt to attack the planet and/or the Worldsoul is hit with -5 dice)
[X] (Unique) Unlimited resources (Raw Materials grow continuously from the core so you will never run out)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
[X] (Unique) Unlimited resources (Raw Materials grow continuously from the core so you will never run out)
[X] (Unique) Awakened Machine Spirits (As the Worldsoul is partly a machine spirit, any tech made on the world or in orbit, will automatically be given an awakened Machine Spirit)
[X] (Unique) Wyldshaping (The Planet counts as your Worldbody for the purpose of Wyldshaping)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
[X] (Unique) Awakened Machine Spirits (As the Worldsoul is partly a machine spirit, any tech made on the world or in orbit, will automatically be given an awakened Machine Spirit)
[X] (Unique) Wyldshaping (The Planet counts as your Worldbody for the purpose of Wyldshaping)
[X] (Starting Bonus) Tech Spread (Brings your tech level from Average Imperium [New forge World] to Above Imperium [Mars])
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Changed my vote:
1. From Terraforming to Unlimited resources. Terraforming allows battle advantages to shamans, while resources would allow building tools and weapons to do that army-wide
2. From Awakened Machine Spirits to Wyldshaping. We can awaken Machine Spirits manually, even though it would take time, while Wyldshaping provides unique safe location to get stuff out of thin air
1. From Terraforming to Unlimited resources. Terraforming allows battle advantages to shamans, while resources would allow building tools and weapons to do that army-wide
2. From Awakened Machine Spirits to Wyldshaping. We can awaken Machine Spirits manually, even though it would take time, while Wyldshaping provides unique safe location to get stuff out of thin air
It is almost like killing Kairos Fateweaver in open combat is noticeable or something.
Need to be updated.
List of Even More Worrying Things(TM) the Colchisians Did
I can do you one better:
List of Even More Worrying Things(TM) the Colchisians Did
By Malchador the Sigilite
- Create a 'Modular Demigoddess of the Machine God'. I thought I knew what all those words meant, then I heard them in that order
- Killed Keiros Fateweaver and the banished the the one who tricked them into it, not that they don't want to kill demons, they insist it's complicated.
- Made Paceful contact with Setra...
Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, The Great King of Nehekhara, King of Kings, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Flame, Punisher of Nomads, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Legion, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, Father of Hawks, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Ptra, High Steward of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Vitae, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Faithless, Carrion-feeder, First of the Charnel Valley, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Vermin, Champion of the Death Arena, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shifting Sands, He Who Holds The Scepter, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Sultan of Atalan, Waker of the Hierotitan, Monarch of the Sky, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Gods, Breaker of the Ogre Clans, Builder of the Great Pyramid, Terror of the Living, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Necropolises, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Ptra's Holy Blade, Scion of Usirian, Scion of Nehek, The Great, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Royal Herat, Founder of the Mortuary Cult, Banisher of the Grand Hierophant, High Lord Admiral of the Deathfleets, Guardian of the Charnel Pass, Tamer of the Liche King, Unliving Jackal Lord, Dissmisser of the Warrior Queen, Charioteer of the Gods, He Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Scarab Purger, Favored of Usirian, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lord Sand, Wrangler of Scorpions, Emperor of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Khemri's Legions, Seneschal of the Great Sandy Desert, Curser of the Living, Regent of the Eastern Mountains, Warden of the Eternal Necropolis, Herald of all Heralds, Caller of the Bitter Wind, God-Tamer, Master of the Mortis River, Guardian of the Dead, Great Keeper of the Obelisks, Deacon of the Ash River, Belated of Wakers, General of the Mighty Frame, Summoner of Sandstorms, Master of all Necrotects, Prince of Dust, Tyrant of Araby, Purger of the Greenskin Breathers, Killer of the False God's Champions, Tyrant of the Gold Dunes, Golden Bone Lord, Avenger of the Dead, Carrion Master, Eternal Warden of Nehek's Lands, Breaker of Djaf's Bonds.
- Raised aforementioned Setra from the dead along with... the worldsoul of the planet and... every inhabitant who ever lived other than the ones who served Chaos, they promise.
- Produced a Chapter of Marines which post-cognition insists are both several decades old, have not been born yet and several months old.
- Attained a technological level comparable to Mars with the aid of Dark Age survivors. Said survivors insist that it's very nice to have a body again instead of howling on the moors all the time
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White you can awaken Machine Spirits manually, you can't awaken billions or trillions of Machine Spirits manually.
It's a quantitative change so vast that I think it produces a qualitative step change in output and culture.
Not a Company, a Chapter.
And not only that, a Chapter of Psyker-Sorcerer-Marines.
I'm really hoping we get at least a few years before the Empire gets here to upgrade them further and hide them better.
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- Arcadia
Hm, mixed results, then. Inevitable, one supposes.
Time has been shaved off the uplift process for Colchis.
Unfortunately, there also seems to be a far shortened timetable for doing anything before the loathsome Emperor arrives.
Time has been shaved off the uplift process for Colchis.
Unfortunately, there also seems to be a far shortened timetable for doing anything before the loathsome Emperor arrives.