Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Which is a point in your favor for using the crown in front of the demigods but not actually a point for either of the Queens having good sensory abilities in general.
So they can be "connected to a cosmic force" that the Crown interacts with, manage the Outer Gates which holds back other Nemesis like entities who constantly try to sneak past the Gates, quite possibly act as "universal threads of the universe" with their Mantles but the Queens of some of the most powerful factions in setting cannot have good sensory abilities.

Yeah we aren't going to agree on that. It just doesn't make any sense.
 
I'm not really going to discuss the first part with you because I'm already used to the difference in the so-called capabilities of a faction and their achievements on screen, in several different media, which happen both to give the protagonist a chance to solve problems and for the problems to occur in the first, then we agree to disagree.

You are being very literal here about their powers, I will give examples taking into account that the Mothers and Queens must have more or less lesser capabilities, diverging in power, scope and conceptual depth: the Unveiling that Mother Winter gave to Dresden, the cane of her who acts as the BlackStaff and the plague of hope that was only made through the conceptual control of illnesses and extreme emotions that Summer has.

If we follow what you say, the courts would not be able to do any of this because their powers would be very direct. Not to mention that here they are a kind of modified rashaka, who knows what capacity they can still maintain at this time.
While I was being very literal I do know they have more conceptual abilities that match up to the winter and summer season influence. The burgeoning and growth of life during the summer the Sun the Heat the emotional Rises and falls volatility probably something to do with fertility and general summer aesthetic powers to along with Winters General predatory and cold sharp sadistic Edge the wind chill and darkness and the conceptual ideas that go along with those but you can never expect them to try and make it warm you can never expect a summer fair to try and make it cold none of their abilities lend themselves to the Omni applicability of exalted abilities none of them particularly lend themselves to sensory abilities in general either. While I was being narrow in my description there it was because I didn't feel the need to go super deep into it they have a lot of juice and a large conceptual space but they're not exalted.
 
So they can be "connected to a cosmic force" that the Crown interacts with, manage the Outer Gates which holds back other Nemesis like entities who constantly try to sneak past the Gates, quite possibly act as "universal threads of the universe" with their Mantles but the Queens of some of the most powerful factions in setting cannot have good sensory abilities.

Yeah we aren't going to agree on that. It just doesn't make any sense.
That's like saying if I can feel something inside of my bones vibrate weirdly when you do something like look at me my sensory abilities are Beyond extraordinary no they're not you are looking at me and something in my bones just fucking vibrated. Notice it's only when they're looking at us that that happens not any other time we've literally taken secrets that Mab would want to kill us for having with no signs of Discovery whatsoever it's only when they're in front of us that we worry about it.
 
That's like saying if I can feel something inside of my bones vibrate weirdly when you do something like look at me my sensory abilities are Beyond extraordinary no they're not you are looking at me and something in my bones just fucking vibrated. Notice it's only when they're looking at us that that happens not any other time we've literally taken secrets that Mab would want to kill us for having with no signs of Discovery whatsoever it's only when they're in front of us that we worry about it.
Your dodging the point on purpose now. If even they aren't expected to recognize the Crown specifically even when used in the heart of their power you've no real reason to believe that these three knights will.

That's it from me. Like I said we aren't going to agree on that.
 
Your dodging the point on purpose now. If even they aren't expected to recognize the Crown specifically even when used in the heart of their power you've no real reason to believe that these three knights will.

That's it from me. Like I said we aren't going to agree on that.
I'm literally not a couple comments ago I literally said it was was complete paranoia I just don't believe looking at some of the brain meat while they're staring at you as a good idea.
You are right there's no way for them to tell I just don't think it's a good idea.
 
[X] Free them under the conditions proposed

Not really keen on using the crown here, it feels like a cheap move, besides, especially since they seem to be dragonblooded, it could also be noticed and really screw up the future relationship.
 
[X] Free them under the conditions proposed
-[X]Crown Question- Focus Scene: What is Lyr Half-tongue planning?

I'm still thinking that the best way to circumvent any wild planning for reviving Arthur is to start paving the way for him to eventually be released regardless. Just in a way, in a framework, that doesn't lead to a messy world conquest. The man could do subtle, he wasn't all that much of a glory hound and was quite happy to gordian knot the crap out of problems if necessary. He'll probably be necessary at some point and I'm fine with him being a rising star and power upon the board as long as it doesn't involve massive numbers of corpses.

In such a case we'd be teaching them so they can get the man up to speed when his time comes. Possibly setting things up so they have an organization so that he has something to work with if he wants to set up a new roundtable or whatever equivalent actually existed in his court.

But we have people to talk to to see if that would ever be wise. Resurrection might come at some cost Arthur wouldn't want and we still have a limited vision of him.
 
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[X] Free them under the conditions proposed
-[X]Crown Question- Focus Scene: What is Lyr Half-tongue planning?


They might not have specific plans yet, but I at least want to make sure they plan to stay true to their word.
 
I have a bad feeling about this. These guys are absolutely going to get up to some shit trying to revive Arthur, and will inevitably have some sort of vision to impose on the world.

Perhaps that'll be to our advantage, but we don't have any real reason at all to believe that. I'm not enthused about dealing a new faction of potential heavies unless it is to our advantage. They had their day in the sun, round two is a gift we're giving them sight unseen.
 
I have a bad feeling about this. These guys are absolutely going to get up to some shit trying to revive Arthur, and will inevitably have some sort of vision to impose on the world.

Perhaps that'll be to our advantage, but we don't have any real reason at all to believe that. I'm not enthused about dealing a new faction of potential heavies unless it is to our advantage. They had their day in the sun, round two is a gift we're giving them sight unseen.
Well.. regardless of anything else they're definitely getting released so I'd urge you to vote for the Crown question to help see if their intentions are malicious to Lydia or the wider world in any capacity long term or otherwise. Realistically that's probably the most you can get right now if you value caution here.
 
I have a bad feeling about this. These guys are absolutely going to get up to some shit trying to revive Arthur, and will inevitably have some sort of vision to impose on the world.

Perhaps that'll be to our advantage, but we don't have any real reason at all to believe that. I'm not enthused about dealing a new faction of potential heavies unless it is to our advantage. They had their day in the sun, round two is a gift we're giving them sight unseen.
The world has so many factions, many of them anti-human, that mixing things up here sounds like a near-certain net-win for mankind.

Not for Molly personally maybe, but that's okay.
 
The world has so many factions, many of them anti-human, that mixing things up here sounds like a near-certain net-win for mankind.

Not for Molly personally maybe, but that's okay.
We are Molly, we must always have her best interests in mind, Arthur's vision may not cause harm to us and it is not as important as those who go, but that is temporarily ignoring, not accepting that it is okay to suffer losses.
 
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@DragonParadox Errors in red.

Speak this truth then, I would know with whom I might share words or longing, words of spite, both together I wouldn't wonder wonder."

I'm not sure if that's an error or just his manner of speech.

Then lady I beg thee bring word to thy father that we have been punished for years far beyond the measure of man .

There's a space before the period.

The Pope is still there, the heir of Saint Peter, in his palace, though he claims dominion over scarce more than that A king took Rome back, not of an empire. only Italia and now that king is gone.
"Your friends turn into worlves," you point out.
 
@DragonParadox And the most recent one.
but more than just the realization that has his companion said 'you are on this side of the door and he on that'.
We are not ones to deny a lady when she is in need an aid..." He sweeps his gaze to Lydia.
You bite back a laugh, didn't the poem cal them so through the years and the hand of who knows how many scribes. What about the others? Are they...?

"Well," Lydia says with what can only be deliberate understatement. "At least I know what year and change of service would be worth it."
 
I have a bad feeling about this. These guys are absolutely going to get up to some shit trying to revive Arthur, and will inevitably have some sort of vision to impose on the world.

Perhaps that'll be to our advantage, but we don't have any real reason at all to believe that. I'm not enthused about dealing a new faction of potential heavies unless it is to our advantage. They had their day in the sun, round two is a gift we're giving them sight unseen.
I would much rather have disagreements and conflict with a dragonblooded ex-knight of the cross and his christian theocratic dictatorship than with the Red King and his vampirecratic country where people are lifestock.
 
Your talking about South America right?
Yes, though my point was broader. Arthur at his worst plausible interpretation is a genocidal racist religious fanatic bent on establishing a theocratic dictatorship with himself as an immortal king. That still puts him head and shoulders above factions like Red Court, Fomori, Black Court, Yama Kings and multiple others that already control or fight for control over humanity. Releasing and empowering Arthur might complicate the situation, but I find it very, very unbelievable that it would worsen it.

As I said, I would rather be dealing with him than witn Red Court
 
Yes, though my point was broader
I agree on that in terms of the supernatural factions. South America for example is pretty much owned by the Reds at this point and there isn't much in the way of a Masquerade over there either. Though I can't say I'd agree if he tried installing a dictatorship in someplace like modern Britain as its being managed by humans just fine in a general sense.
 
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