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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Degorium said:
Essence Economy like the term suggests means that you use it as you see fit because we're not in a time crunch we can literally regenerate it within 15 minutes there's no need to say management is bad.
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How fast we can regen it right now isn't really relevant (it's 15 min for one mote so your wrong too that's 45min for full since we have 12 right now) when we typically don't choose to bog our movements down just to top ourselves off and normally wait for it to be closer to halfway before focusing on recharging.

If you can effectively solve a problem while using less resources there's an argument to be made to restrain yourself. This is just like with the alchemist in Boston we weren't on a time crunch so we burned motes and by the end of it ended up fighting a mid tier Akuma with barley any motes left.

Edit: @DragonParadox wait we are supposed to have 13 motes not 12.
 
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BoredMan said:
How fast we can regen it right now isn't really relevant (it's 15 min for one mote so your wrong too that's 45min for full since we have 12 right now) when we typically don't choose to bog our movements down just to top ourselves off and normally wait for it to be closer to halfway before focusing on recharging.

If you can effectively solve a problem while using less resources there's an argument to be made to restrain yourself. This is just like with the alchemist in Boston we weren't on a time crunch so we burned motes and by the end of it ended up fighting a mid tier Akuma with barley any motes left.
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It is not at all like that because we can literally just stop sit down have a nice lunch then take a dip for 45 minutes then continue. There is literally no time crunch. You are correct that we don't normally choose to do that but that's a time management issue not an Essence economy management issue. Them are separate things we tend to just rush every possible situation down unless it's something actually time sensitive then we just let it sit for a while.
 
Degorium said:
You are correct that we don't normally choose to do that but that's a time management issue not an Essence economy management issue. Them are separate things we tend to just rush every possible situation down unless it's something actually time sensitive then we just let it sit for a while.
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Sure, poor time management is more accurate in that instance since we could've stopped after Keith to do so before moving on to Nora.

I don't see people changing voting habits in regards to how fast we move though and choosing to slow the narrative down just to top off whenever possible. That doesn't sound like an efficient use of our time either since it would result in us stopping to regen very frequently since again lack of impulse control with the motes. It's just one extra in this case so people look at it as not a big deal but the point is it adds up and this was a perfect example of spending extra when it didn't seem to be required to solve the problem.

One use of the Crown was enough, Lash could've had him investigated and thrown behind bars without us spending a single mote more. The police were able to solve this on their own IRL the whole point was speeding it up. Poor essence management.
 
BoredMan said:
Sure, poor time management is more accurate in that instance since we could've stopped after Keith to do so before moving on to Nora.

I don't see people changing voting habits in regards to how fast we move though and choosing to slow the narrative down just to top off whenever possible. That doesn't sound like an efficient use of our time either since it would result in us stopping to regen very frequently since again poor impulse control with the motes. It's just one extra in this case so people look at it as not a big deal but the point is it adds up and this was a perfect example of spending extra when it didn't seem to be required to solve the problem.

One use of the Crown was enough, Lash could've had him investigated and thrown behind bars without us spending a single mote more. The police were able to solve this on their own IRL the whole point was speeding it up. Poor essence management.
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To be honest she could have had the confession lickety split with only one Essence spent but to be honest it expedites the process. The evidence all ends up in police custody every family gets there notification of who killed them and the fact that they're relatives were missing and can make peace with that and it's a job well done. Any one of those individual reasons would be enough for me at least to justify spending the essence the fact that all three get hit with essentially the same stone is cake. It comes down to what is considered poor management cuz it's not poor Management in my mind because we are here completely of our own volition on a mission to get some dogs we have all weekend or a significant portion of the weekend so spending 45 minutes isn't in my mind at all a time-consuming or difficult thing to do. It just to me comes off as stingy to say spending an extra Essence for a job well done is poor management.
 
So did anyone check what the UK laws about entrapment were back in 2007?
 
BoredMan said:
Sure, poor time management is more accurate in that instance since we could've stopped after Keith to do so before moving on to Nora.

I don't see people changing voting habits in regards to how fast we move though and choosing to slow the narrative down just to top off whenever possible. That doesn't sound like an efficient use of our time either since it would result in us stopping to regen very frequently since again lack of impulse control with the motes. It's just one extra in this case so people look at it as not a big deal but the point is it adds up and this was a perfect example of spending extra when it didn't seem to be required to solve the problem.

One use of the Crown was enough, Lash could've had him investigated and thrown behind bars without us spending a single mote more. The police were able to solve this on their own IRL the whole point was speeding it up. Poor essence management.
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IRL he was caught; and prosecuted for the deaths of two women who he kept trophies from. The other fifty eight trophies remain unsolved and unknown if they represent more victims.
 
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BoredMan said:
Sure, poor time management is more accurate in that instance since we could've stopped after Keith to do so before moving on to Nora.

I don't see people changing voting habits in regards to how fast we move though and choosing to slow the narrative down just to top off whenever possible. That doesn't sound like an efficient use of our time either since it would result in us stopping to regen very frequently since again lack of impulse control with the motes. It's just one extra in this case so people look at it as not a big deal but the point is it adds up and this was a perfect example of spending extra when it didn't seem to be required to solve the problem.

One use of the Crown was enough, Lash could've had him investigated and thrown behind bars without us spending a single mote more. The police were able to solve this on their own IRL the whole point was speeding it up. Poor essence management.
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In this particular case shouldn't we have been essence and time neutral? We were in that perfume bottle for a while and I don't see why it wouldn't have been filled with a CSR okay substance instead of whatever it came with. It's not like you can spray it without disrupting Molly enough to deactivate RVD. Even if that event didn't take 15 minutes itself I don't see why we would get out early if a few more minutes would tick over to regen.
Dmol8 said:
So did anyone check what the UK laws about entrapment were back in 2007?
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I don't know about the UK, but US law inherited a lot from them for stuff like this and only considers it entrapment if done by the agents or on the orders of the legal system. Private citizens tricking each other into confessing crimes isn't illegal, though any criminal activity you perform to do so still is.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I don't know about the UK, but US law inherited a lot from them for stuff like this and only considers it entrapment if done by the agents or on the orders of the legal system. Private citizens tricking each other into confessing crimes isn't illegal, though any criminal activity you perform to do so still is.
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There's no defence of entrapment in English law, it's only a mitigating factor at sentencing, but entrapment only covers manufacturing a crime that otherwise wouldn't have been committed. It is considered an abuse of process by state agents to perform acts of entrapment, which can rarely get court cases thrown out if it's egregious enough, but that doesn't mean it's not a crime, just that it would be unfair to prosecute in some situations.

Tricking someone to confess a crime isn't entrapment. It would only be entrapment if Molly/Tiffany persuaded him to commit the murders.
 
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Alratan said:
There's no defence of entrapment in UK law, it's only a mitigating factor at sentencing, but entrapment only covers manufacturing a crime that otherwise wouldn't have been committed. It is considered an abuse of process by state agents to perform acts of entrapment, which can rarely get court cases thrown out if it's egregious enough, but that doesn't mean it's not a crime, just that it would be unfair to prosecute.

Tricking someone to confess a crime isn't entrapment. It would only be entrapment if Molly/Tiffany persuaded him to commit the murders.
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US law would throw out cases for it, but has a similar requirement on the crime being something that would not have happened absent the intervention of the authorities. The classic example being a cop pressuring someone who they know has weed into selling it so they can upgrade the charge from possession to distribution.

This situation would really never fall under that sort of defense even if we were cops, because the law doesn't require they announce themselves or be truthful with suspects outside of specific things like reading you your rights on arrest. There might have been some procedural violations related to what kind of warrants are required to do this kind of thing, but I don't know enough about the legal system to speculate on what they might be.
 
Shouldn't our essanse be recovered from spending all that time in perfume bottle of bleach? Assuming of course that none of this counted as a proper secret.
 
Degorium said:
To be honest she could have had the confession lickety split with only one Essence spent but to be honest it expedites the process. The evidence all ends up in police custody every family gets there notification of who killed them and the fact that they're relatives were missing and can make peace with that and it's a job well done.
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Fair enough.

Degorium said:
It comes down to what is considered poor management cuz it's not poor Management in my mind because we are here completely of our own volition on a mission to get some dogs we have all weekend or a significant portion of the weekend so spending 45 minutes isn't in my mind at all a time-consuming or difficult thing to do. It just to me comes off as stingy to say spending an extra Essence for a job well done is poor management
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...I had a longer reply typed up here but realized we'd just be reiterating past this point. I already said everything there was to, I'll leave it at that.


BronzeTongue said:
Even if that event didn't take 15 minutes itself I don't see why we would get out early if a few more minutes would tick over to regen.
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It was not stated that we gained mote(s) from that so I'm not of that mindset.
 
fictionfan said:
Shouldn't our essanse be recovered from spending all that time in perfume bottle of bleach? Assuming of course that none of this counted as a proper secret.
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1)Perfume bottle, not bleach bottle
2) Molly is E4 now, or soon will be. That means her Essence goes up to 17/17. Not really an issue.
DragonParadox said:
Secrets Burned True​
3rd of February 2007 A.D.
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COMMENTARY
Here's part of what I mean by when I say knowing how to kill is only one of the many, many things that a person needs to know to walk on the nightside of the Dresden Files.
This kind of ethical question is arguably a lot more fraught than killinhg a Blampire.

Loling at Olivia's side eye though.

Fairly straightforward.
The police can detain him for reckless driving leading to a car accident, for which there is physical evidence, while they do their due diligence. And Clippy can keep an eye on the UK news.

And if they fuck it up, there's always the alternative of mailing everything to a UK tabloid and letting them handle it.


Okay, so we know two things about Lydia's mother
She's of Egyptian blood
She's gone; dead or something similarly permanent

Add a third fact: She never came to Wales.
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[X] Ask her to continue, if something does happen you're pretty sure you can take it on

Now Im curious about whose attention Arawn is trying to avoid now; man has a predilection for making powerful enemies.
Both because I wanna see who has the reach and power to randomly respond here just because its nighttime.

And because I dont want to be blindsided; this is the sort of thing that may be relevant to the dogs we are seeking, who served Arawn back when he was king of the Welsh underworld.
And who will remember Arawn's first wife.

Not that it matters all that much to Molly.
Only good manners is preventing Molly from burning a scene with Lydia as a focus to gather information on her mother.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
US law would throw out cases for it, but has a similar requirement on the crime being something that would not have happened absent the intervention of the authorities. The classic example being a cop pressuring someone who they know has weed into selling it so they can upgrade the charge from possession to distribution.

This situation would really never fall under that sort of defense even if we were cops, because the law doesn't require they announce themselves or be truthful with suspects outside of specific things like reading you your rights on arrest. There might have been some procedural violations related to what kind of warrants are required to do this kind of thing, but I don't know enough about the legal system to speculate on what they might be.
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Tiffany: Most juries might find some fault with the use of demonic temptation to elicit a confession, but that's just details :V
 
BoredMan said:
Our essence economy management will always be trash it seems.
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Every point of Essence we don't regenerate because we're at full is the waste of a point we could have spent and didn't. Every day we end with less than 7 missing Essence is a waste.

And even beyond that, if a point of Essence would accomplish more than spending 15 minutes not resting in a bleach bottle, we still come out ahead.
 
[X] Ask her to continue, if something does happen you're pretty sure you can take it on
 
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