There is no full ghost in that car, just marks that someone died in that trunk.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
There is no full ghost in that car, just marks that someone died in that trunk.
Clones of the Primordial Adorjan are canonically candidates for Exaltation in Ex2.
So are latter-day Lintha and beastmen in Ex2.
So are vampire ghouls in ExWoD.
I dont particularly see anything in that quote disqualifying a mortal fomor from a Celestial Exaltation; the Exaltation will burn out any and all previous supernatural attachments.
There's at least one Abyssal in ExWoD who was a ghoul/thrall who Exalted mid-Embrace.
Not particularly?
We'll mention it to her and Michael, or have Daniel do it, but they do know she's a healer.
Magic-assisted mods that remain within mortal limits seem entirely permissible.
I dont have my Age of Glory books with me.
But this was part of the friction between the elder Solars and the DBs pre-Usurpation.
Similarly, the Yozi did not settle on the kludge that is a demon coadjutor because they like giving mortals a choice in the matter;
For some, not for most.
And the only reason they arent a main evil is because they were one of the last books in the oWoD line, and were rushed into the bargain. The Earthbound are very much a Prime Evil, and have the narrative feats to back it up, even if the mechanics arent as fleshed out as they could be.
Even a Demon with experience is a society-scale threat.
I didnt ignore it. I just didnt think it was relevant.
We have convinced Charity Carpenter of stuff tied to her anti-magic intimacies without tying her to a chair and willpower-tapping her, to the point of literally getting her to help us feed ghouls in Undertown. We have similarly done this with Dresden. If imprisonment and brainwashing was the standard in play, we would never have won an argument against either.
I find it implausible a scenario that requires Molly's junior brother to be a harder social target than his mother.
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What won was a vote for training and empowerment. Comprehensive training.
Fucking around in the supernatural is not just about knowing how to use a sword and doing magic kungfu. Just like being a soldier is not just about knowing how to shoot a rifle.
I expect him to be capable and useful in defense of himself, his home and his city.
I dont expect him to be following Molly around wherever trouble leads her.
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As an aside, I have significant issues with people characterizing what Molly does as adventures, which is a word that conjures up pictures of jolly excursions of fun and games, as opposed to actual life or death shit for a significant number of people IC.
Its often grim work, of the sort that fucks adults up, let alone teens
Yomi Wan alone is the sort of thing that gives kueijin nightmares.
Nevermind that despite having personal staff AND drinking magic coffee, Molly had a spotty academic attendance record and was falling behind on a lot of stuff prior to literally spawning clones to give herself the time to catch up on everything she was falling behind on, from socializing to still doing direct action.
Daniel Carpenter is a high school sophomore/junior with a girlfriend, a large family and a social life.
Where he's supposed to find all this time is something noone has considered.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
That's not the Unconquered Sun, that's the ghost of his previous incarnation giving him a pep talk while he's on the brink of death after getting the shit kicked out of him, and getting him to choose to keep going to get his heroic second wind.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[x] Trail the strange car
-[x]Have Clippy run a search on the license plate.
-[x]Have Clippy run a search on the license plate.
I specifically said solar. The intent is very clear. Only pure mortals untouched by other powers.
It is? Always thought that was Sol. Ok then, argument withdrawn, I guess, though I would say this still qualifies as something choosing a particular someone.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
For all we know, this could be a regular crime killing and we can hand this off to our subordinates to investigate what they can online and then send that info in to the relveant cops.
And I'd like to do my due diligence here; so if this is something we're kinda morally obliged to deal with directly we can tell Charity that we checked first before poking anything, rather than just risking being pulled into something/setting off some chaos by following now.
[X] Plan: Check before haring off
-[X] Record the numberplate for future tracking, and ask about the circumstances [i.e. why did it happen, how did it happen, is it magic or mundane] of the death that happened in that car [focus, this scene].
-[X] If our question does not provide enough details to identify the killers as well, ask a second question about the identities of the people invovled in the killing of the person who died in that trunk, in a way that also includes their address/phone numbers/who is in the orginsation(s) they are a part of [focus, the car we are looking at].
-[X] Set Clippy on gathering more information/context on the matter, either for it to be addressed by the group, or as a report to be handed in to the relevant police forces.
-[X] Unless we learn something that demands immidate action, top off in a nice relaxing cup of bleach.
-[*] Also consider getting a toxic substance - that while still looking toxic and smelling a little bit toxic - is a lot less pungent than bleach.
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Can anyone link me to posts that have explored about what gear Daniel might benefit from that we can just order from Sanctuary? I'm a little vague on what items we've decided to get from them that aren't 'ultra high tier healing items'
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[X] Plan Checking
And I'd like to do my due diligence here; so if this is something we're kinda morally obliged to deal with directly we can tell Charity that we checked first before poking anything, rather than just risking being pulled into something/setting off some chaos by following now.
[X] Plan: Check before haring off
-[X] Record the numberplate for future tracking, and ask about the circumstances [i.e. why did it happen, how did it happen, is it magic or mundane] of the death that happened in that car [focus, this scene].
-[X] If our question does not provide enough details to identify the killers as well, ask a second question about the identities of the people invovled in the killing of the person who died in that trunk, in a way that also includes their address/phone numbers/who is in the orginsation(s) they are a part of [focus, the car we are looking at].
-[X] Set Clippy on gathering more information/context on the matter, either for it to be addressed by the group, or as a report to be handed in to the relevant police forces.
-[X] Unless we learn something that demands immidate action, top off in a nice relaxing cup of bleach.
-[*] Also consider getting a toxic substance - that while still looking toxic and smelling a little bit toxic - is a lot less pungent than bleach.
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Can anyone link me to posts that have explored about what gear Daniel might benefit from that we can just order from Sanctuary? I'm a little vague on what items we've decided to get from them that aren't 'ultra high tier healing items'
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[X] Plan Checking
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
This is what I meant when I said I don't want to bring Daniel because we have no idea what's going to happen in Wales and we may see combat of unknown yields. This is an entirely separate plothook to our stated reason for being here and new plothooks are the most likely thing to lead to unexpected altercations.
Watch how many people bite it.
We can send him into the FC if the opposition starts rising too high but that won't help mid combat if we come to that realization during it.
Watch how many people bite it.
We can send him into the FC if the opposition starts rising too high but that won't help mid combat if we come to that realization during it.
Indeed.
[X] Plan Checking
-[X] Have Clippy run down the license plates of the car
-[X] Use the Crown on this scene to learn how a dead body came to be in the trunk of the car
--[X] If there's nothing supernatural about it, tip the local police, using Clippy's data
--[X] If there's anything supernatural going on
---[X] Activate All Things Betray with WIllpower
--[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on the driver of the car
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She burned all her Faith. Thats quite a gesture of trust.
Or would be, if it wasnt Molly she was dealing with.
Green Toyota?*googles* Yeah I know this one. Murder case.
Have Clippy run the license plates, and burn the scene as a focus.
That leaves us with the options of HMPing the car and still using the car as a Crown focus.
This is free XP. Take it.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
[X] Plan Checking
-[X] Have Clippy run down the license plates of the car
-[X] Use the Crown on the car to learn how a dead body came to be in the trunk of the car
--[X] If there's nothing supernatural about it, tip the local police, using Clippy's data
--[X] If there's anything supernatural going on
---[X] Activate All Things Betray with WIllpower
--[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on the driver of the car
-[X] Have Clippy run down the license plates of the car
-[X] Use the Crown on the car to learn how a dead body came to be in the trunk of the car
--[X] If there's nothing supernatural about it, tip the local police, using Clippy's data
--[X] If there's anything supernatural going on
---[X] Activate All Things Betray with WIllpower
--[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on the driver of the car
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Because she hasn't offered yet. I assume that she will get around to it.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Rather than asking how a body came to be in the trunk, why not instead ask for the identity of the deceased?
If they're someone who has been missing for months or years, the urgency of the situation changes compared to someone whose absence has not yet been noticed.
And if the deceased is also the registered owner of the car, the urgency suddenly increases a great deal.
- Location
- Brazil
We did this with her through several votes over several rounds (that is, months) and that with several people wanting to wash their hands of her, me among them. That's what I meant when I said that we spent months fighting with her, supported by supernatural power, for her to stop trying to control Molly to live as she thought she should.
Considering Daniel's desire has a basis more than just impressing his girlfriend, to helping his beloved sister and trying to fight with various dark forces that he knows exist and knows about the plans thwarted by his father and sister, I also think he would celebrate several votes, because he will spend willpower against us on this and several turns to get that idea out of his head. Unless of course we go back to my previous unethical idea.
I don't trust the consistency of the thread to maintain this, especially when a large part of it wants him to have this power, including me, after all that's how the plan to empower him won.
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That's just ignoring why he wanted this power in the first place, he wants to help his sister and girlfriend fight the good fight. Of course, we can send him on small missions throughout the city, help the alphas on patrols, accompany Lydia or Lash when they build their own support, help Ordo, etc. I fully support this.
But we won't be able to say anything against taking him on our adventures if we take Olivia. At least we know when the situation will overtake them, just like we leave Olivia when we entered hell.
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Can you tell me where these academic problems appeared? Every month we spend precious AP at school, even though I completely agree with Lash's statement that the place was useless other than socializing and we were shown that Molly can cheat with Usum and cyberdemos if she needs to.
And Olivia has college, family, work, social life, patrol and plans for reform the magical comunity. Where she's supposed to find all this time is something noone has considered.
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- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
Recommendation: change the bolded bit to "Use the Crown on this scene to learn".
That way we can use the car for follow up questions regarding the situation if need be.
My thoughts exactly. Unless I am mistaken, what we have is ectoplasmic traces from someone who died in that trunk at some unspecified point in the past. For all we know it happened years or decades ago and there is no longer a body to be found.
Mainly because I am using the question to check if there's anything supernatural going on here. If not, pass the info onto mortal authorities, and move on.
Sure, no problem.
Citation please. As far as I remember, Molly currently excels at school.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox I think you forgot that Olivia is also here. She hasn't been mentioned in a minute.
- Location
- Norway
[X] Continue on to the Teifi Marshes
It looks like an easily resolved minor issue, and before you know it, you're invading another dimension to sort out a conspiracy going back centuries.
I think you're vastly over-stretching precedent. You see Artifact N/A workings and Primordial plot devices, and suggest not only building another, but building a better, more convenient one, with fewer people on the team, and less power available, on a much shorter timescale.
A Monstrance of Celestial Portion does something similar to what you hope for. It is the combined result of Yozi research on captive Exalts to develop the theory, Neverborn empowerment of the super powerful artifact, and Deathlord hands in the world to build and manipulate the thing. Each one is individually Artifact N/A, linked to a single Abyssal Exaltation. I grant that this can be done; I deny it is doable by Molly in Daniel's lifetime.
It looks like an easily resolved minor issue, and before you know it, you're invading another dimension to sort out a conspiracy going back centuries.
The still-living Primordial Autochthon sealed off his world-body in full generality, stopping anything including Exaltations from entering, and you want to generalize to simply building an arena? One that's easily openable to throw people in and take them out again??
I think you're vastly over-stretching precedent. You see Artifact N/A workings and Primordial plot devices, and suggest not only building another, but building a better, more convenient one, with fewer people on the team, and less power available, on a much shorter timescale.
A Monstrance of Celestial Portion does something similar to what you hope for. It is the combined result of Yozi research on captive Exalts to develop the theory, Neverborn empowerment of the super powerful artifact, and Deathlord hands in the world to build and manipulate the thing. Each one is individually Artifact N/A, linked to a single Abyssal Exaltation. I grant that this can be done; I deny it is doable by Molly in Daniel's lifetime.
- Location
- Brazil
Soon after that, it was dawn, which regenerates her faith, but I agree that it was a gesture of trust from her to Molly and a gesture of trust from Molly to Lash to let her work on her brother and give her an ok for him.