Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

Given the presumed future existence of the Cathedral of Shadows and what kinds of things Mido will work with, it sounds like we might be stuck getting a Delta at some point.

I wonder if the Demon Compendium works on idols. :V

And if we have to worry about the rest of that whole orphanage. Seele (and Veliona) works pretty ok as a Persona user but some of the others get weird, like Sin Mal having the same kind of Stand as Star Platinum questionably sourced time powers.
 
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This is a gross misrepresentation of my position. My position is that raids will need to happen, and that JP's cannot simply arrest the leadership and then let everyone else join JP's. My position is not "kill them all". A raid is not an extermination mission.
Firstly, despite the fact that a raid -technically- isn't the same thing as an extermination mission, we're talking about sending armed demon summoners into facilities filled with men who at least some of have been proven to also be capable of summoning demons like Phoenix. That's going to result in casualties. Those raided facilities are going to turn into warzones.

Just arresting the leadership themselves is something that is going to require raids, but hopefully at smaller scale, conducted at their homes and out of the way of hostages.

Though even under those conditions and targeting only that small subset of staff, I fully anticipate there are going to be casualties. As mentioned before, I suspect the executives themselves will be trained magicians who wouldn't go down easily even to a JP's strike team. I expect a few of them will not only resist arrest, but decimate the strike teams sent to arrest them and successfully flee.

That's another reason I'm advocating for public exposure - with their names and faces out in the open, they will be politically burned. Even if they manage to physically abscond, anyone who might have harbored them like Manticore's original political backers would now think twice about it and they'll find it a lot more difficult to evade the subsequent manhunt.

Secondly - alright, let's say you're not advocating for capital punishment and that "death row" was just hyperbole when you brought it up.

Lifetime incarceration, or even just incarceration beyond around maybe 3 years is still the sort of prospect daunting enough that it could make people want to take their chances destroying evidence/witnesses and fleeing. Memory wiping, the reaction to that might depend on the individual, but I suspect would garner a similar response from many.
You're relying on everyone believing that would actually be enough to save them. You think of your plan as eminently reasonable, so you think people would actually believe it. But JP's claiming they'd let all the murderers, torturers, and child rapists among the rank and file go on live TV makes them look terrible, and is not a believable claim.
You're still clinging to that assumption that all or majority of the rank-and-file are, in fact, murderers, torturers and child rapists and also that everybody would automatically think the rank-and-file are such, instead of blaming it on the leadership.

The public broadcast is meant to dissuade that by singling out the executives and leadership and directing all the blame onto them, giving the rank-and-file an "easy out" by pointing the finger at their bosses. Both in the eyes of the public and among Manticore, letting them rip each other apart internally.

It is also perfectly believable, if JP's presents the whole thing as a power grab. That is to say, if they deliberately acted not as if they were some sort of superhero organization or allies of justice, but as one dictator knocking another off their throne.

If presented in this way, the Manticore staff would be assuming that after being transferred, it would be back to being business as usual and only realize in the aftermath that JP's don't actually condone the same sort of activities as their former bosses.

Which, funnily enough, is the kind of a gambit that actually benefits more from JP's looking terrible than trying to look like white knights.
 
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Secondly - alright, let's say you're not advocating for capital punishment and that "death row" was just hyperbole when you brought it up.

Lifetime incarceration, or even just incarceration beyond around maybe 3 years is still the sort of prospect daunting enough that it could make people want to take their chances destroying evidence/witnesses and fleeing. Memory wiping, the reaction to that might depend on the individual, but I suspect would garner a similar response from many.
JP's doesn't get to decide that kind of thing.

Your position is founded on an assumption that it is 1) reasonable, 2) believable, and 3) within JP's power, for JP's to just hire up everyone in Manticore without any sort of criminal prosecution.

It's not. This goes against ethics, the structure of the justice system, and Hotsuin's very strict hiring standards. We've seen the kinds of people JP's hires. Hotsuin isn't going to turn his organization into half Manticore.

You're still clinging to that assumption that all or majority of the rank-and-file are, in fact, murderers, torturers and child rapists and also that everybody would automatically think the rank-and-file are such, instead of blaming it on the leadership.
The majority aren't the problem. The problem is the rest of them. And of course people are going to think the rank and file are responsible. The leaders didn't torture and murder those kids with their own hands.
 
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The majority aren't the problem. The problem is the rest of them. And of course people are going to think the rank and file are responsible. The leaders didn't torture and murder those kids with their own hands.
When Easter starts broadcasting mugshots of the leadership right next to pictures of demons and chopped up kids, that makes it pretty easy to foist all the responsibility on the leaders. Who were the ones sanctioning it all in the first place anyway, so they do actually bear the bulk of the blame, even if they weren't physically involved in the experiments..... which we still have no guarantee they weren't.

Would not be surprised if some of them actually were that hands-on.
Your position is founded on an assumption that it is 1) reasonable, 2) believable, and 3) within JP's power, for JP's to just hire up everyone in Manticore without any sort of criminal prosecution.
If we want assume there are comprehensive legal processes in place to deal with everything, I will remind you that this would also imply JP's can't simply raid whatever other government facilities and offices they wish - if they were anything like police, they'd need to get search warrants firsts and go through the whole regulatory process.

And in this event, it is more than likely they'd end up stonewalled by whoever Manticore's political backers were and never receive the permission needed to crack down on them.

This is actually the sort of scenario where it really would benefit JP's to act like they're interested in going for a power grab over Manticore and convince everybody providing the funding it would be better to cut the current leadership loose and install Hotsuin or his subordinates as the new heads.

Obviously without telling anyone they were planning to dismantle most of their operations afterwards.
 
It is also perfectly believable, if JP's presents the whole thing as a power grab. That is to say, if they deliberately acted not as if they were some sort of superhero organization or allies of justice, but as one dictator knocking another off their throne.

If presented in this way, the Manticore staff would be assuming that after being transferred, it would be back to being business as usual and only realize in the aftermath that JP's don't actually condone the same sort of activities as their former bosses.

Which, funnily enough, is the kind of a gambit that actually benefits more from JP's looking terrible than trying to look like white knights.
JP's is going to have a hard time attracting or retaining good people, or finding good people to work with them, after a play where they deliberately present themselves as monstrous, and hire up an entire organization they just publicly exposed as monstrous. This is a plan that leads to JP's crumbling as an organization.

When Easter starts broadcasting mugshots of the leadership right next to pictures of demons and chopped up kids, that makes it pretty easy to foist all the responsibility on the leaders.
Putting two pictures next to each other isn't that powerful.


Look. We're getting nowhere with this argument. We'll just have to wait for the situation to play out.
 
Look. We're getting nowhere with this argument. We'll just have to wait for the situation to play out.
Eh, perhaps Kana's interlude will offer more insight into the whole thing. And if it doesn't, Naoto's investigations will probably turn up more eventually later on.
The Tokyo incursion was a major failure, damaging the core of the spell—which resulted in a significant decrease in global incursions—which is to say, we are facing an enemy capable of casting a singular, planet-scale spell which we don't understand but can recognise by its fingerprint; one which follows the general principles of alchemic calcination; and who is capable of repairing it after that level of damage. Our opponent is either a god, or someone backed by one.
You know, if Saaya really did that much of a number on Hikawa's ritual by accident, she could be the silver bullet needed to shut it down permanently.

Should she manage to get her psionics under control, seems like it could be a viable solution to point her at the "core" and have her try and delete it outright, instead of just damage it.

Pity "getting it under control" is going to be easier said than done with her.
 
2) What is Big K doing? Even if overloaded, surely this is on the top of its priority list?
Big K is... not doing well, from what we've seen. The existence of magic and psionics to start with mean he isn't doing well.
Demons getting in from Outside certainly doesn't help.

I'd also wager that Yui's discount midnight channel probably shouldn't have been possible if Kagutsuchi was okay, at least not the way it happened here.

Hikawa, in the normal timeline, causes the conception. Spamming demons into existence is likely his attempt to accelerate that. The attention drawn by the Seiyo breach, and the damage to the spell caused by that, is probably helping Kagutsuchi hold up a bit, but it's still a near daily occurance for it to be ripped apart and damaged
I'm surprised we didn't hear anything about this figure, or meet them while visiting Saaya.

The demon we called? Someone else's summon? Something created by the lock, perhaps?
All this and more, in upcoming interlude.
 
And if we have to worry about the rest of that whole orphanage. Seele (and Veliona) works pretty ok as a Persona user but some of the others get weird, like Sin Mal having the same kind of Stand as Star Platinum questionably sourced time powers.
I can at least address this:

Not at all. Characters like the orphanage kids exist in what might almost be a divergent timeline. They exist to interact with secondary characters like Lulu, but will not under any circumstances have an effect on the main plot unless you explicitly go looking for them, and even then it'd be hard.

Liliya's a foot-soldier. Well, not right now—and not that anyone there would really like her to be—but if the Glacier ever shows up on screen, then Liliya might be one of the people off on the edges.

In a couple of years, you understand. It would take the end of the world to speed that up.

(But why Lili, you ask? …because she's one of my favourite characters, that's why. This is how I get my crossover tendencies out of the way without meaningfully crossing anything over. You don't need to worry about her, because she literally can't affect the plot.)
 
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Oh hey, looks like a few promotional images for the new Shugo Chara sequel have started floating around. Who knows if that white outfit with the mini top hat from the second one is actually going to show up in the series proper, but at the very least the blurb text does indicate the story is still going to be centered on Amu, since it says "the new story of Amu and co. finally starts".

Though given the sequel name is "Jewel Joker", I guess that was pretty strongly implied.
 
I aim to please :p

More seriously, even if that actually happens, the number of weeks/months we'd need to spend training nothing would more than suffice for that to count as a Monkey Paw, especially since said hypothetical shiny likely also needs training to use properly?
It'd probably look more like just pumping psi for months, without buying ability dots.
 
Depending on what "something" is it might retrospectively turn out more like you were grinding your new stats and skills, just all at once. Exaltations do be like that.

One other fun note is that Kana would have had a much better time participating in Demon Fusion if the Cathedral of Shadows was open and she could get Mido to do it. He knows how to do it "properly". That's likely to be a fun conversation if and when lhe turns up.

Additional unspent XP to provide metaphysical weight and tilt the scales towards the human half may help there, too. :V
 
Based on Saaya's interlude, I have this niggling suspicion XP may be interchangeable with Macca in some way. Assuming it's not the exact same thing, just still attached to a soul as opposed to minted into coins.

And if that's the case, having enough of it to spare might let someone hire a demon or maybe buy a Magatama from one.

....Hiring a demon seems more or less to be the go-to method people take to get around not being personally capable of superhuman feats.
 
Just to put a pin in this (and give me a handy list). I've been sick the last week, so looking forward to getting a lot of writing done over the weekend.

Scheduled vote count started by Baughn on May 28, 2024 at 7:58 PM, finished with 112 posts and 7 votes.


Depending on how that goes, I might set the threshold to 3 instead of 2. Seems this one got a lot of voters out of the woodwork. ^^
 
Interlude: Kana
The taxi ride to Shirogane's home was strangely mundane given everything that had happened over the course of the day, and that gave her a chance to think. To cry, if she were being honest. Shirogane barely spoke to her—Kana wasn't sure if she was angry, unsure, or just sensible—and that meant she could crawl into the corner of the seat and curl up without anyone pointing out that she was crying. That was nice of her, really. She didn't feel like talking. Shirogane's hand on her arm was a constant reminder that the woman certainly didn't trust her.

So she thought, as best she could when her thoughts still jittered from place to place, and cried occasionally when the emotions became too much to bear. And when the taxi stopped moving and Shirogane gave her arm a little tug she stumbled after her, finding herself led into a relatively normal house and left alone in a bathroom with the door shut behind her—a bottle of shampoo pressed into her hand by Shirogane before the woman left again without another word.

Kana looked around the bathroom for a few seconds in blank confusion, feeling like she was missing something important but not really knowing what it was that she was supposed to do—until she caught sight of herself in the mirror and flinched away from what she saw.

"That's me?" she mumbled quietly, hesitating for a few seconds before wrenching off her clothes.

She'd had-

She'd had quite a few third-degree burns, she supposed. All that was left of that was patches of pink, tender skin where Amu had healed her—the new skin a stark contrast against the rest of her body, which was tanned from spending so much time outside—but she barely recognised the girl staring back at her in the mirror. Her hair was burnt and tangled, matted in places and smelling of smoke; a slight breeze from the air-conditioner ruffled what remained of it as she stood there in confusion.

"Wash up," Shirogane said from outside the door, her voice muffled through the wood but still clearly audible. "You can take your time. I'll make dinner while you bathe."

She was covered in bruises and dried blood. Darkened, mostly. Amu had fixed everything that needed fixing, but hadn't gotten to cosmetics.

"Suits me," Kana mumbled, hugging herself and closing her eyes. Shirogane didn't reply, and Kana was glad of that; glad of the privacy.

She was ugly right now.

Didn't matter—what she thought or wanted—she didn't get to be pretty anyway, but...

'Wash up,' the woman had said, so Kana looked around for a bath or a shower—perhaps irrationally scared of disappointing the woman despite having just tried to murder her—and found both, because this was Shirogane Naoto and why wouldn't she have both in her house—and her shampoo smelled nice—so Kana washed up and started crying again halfway through because the warmth felt nice and everything felt wrong and she just wanted to curl up and die-

She'd said goodbye to Amu without breaking down.

That was good. It was what Amu needed from her; the kind of strong face that told Amu that, despite it all, Kana could hold herself together. That Amu didn't need to speak up, or do anything but go home and hug her mother and fall into her bed, all things that Amu had wanted very badly, and Kana might have wanted too if she'd had those.

She was so tired, and she'd walked downstairs right into a presence so strong that she'd nearly collapsed on the spot, a feel like a building falling on her as she desperately tried to scramble backwards and realised she couldn't move her legs. Amu had been perking up behind her but Kana couldn't hear her over the ringing in her ears and the terrible certainty that if she moved her head too far in any direction, she was going to die.

And that had been their backup.

An eight year old boy with enough presence that it might have broken Yui-chan if he'd come in looking for them.

Who'd also brought a limousine.

Amu could have helped. Amu had been serious, when she'd told Kana that she knew people who could help, and Kana had known that, because she'd literally been reading her mind at the time. But also: Kana had seen the terrible, terrible look of consternation on Amu's face when Amu realised that while Amu's secrets were 'being a not-a-magical-girl', Kana's were 'I've killed someone'. And Kana hadn't quite believed her anyway, so Naomi hadn't believed Kana at all.

So now she was alone.

Kana scrubbed at her skin until she felt like it was coming off, trying not to think as she did so. Her thoughts swirled endlessly around regardless of how desperately she fought to escape them. Only she'd given up that privilege, hadn't she? When she'd let herself be consumed by the fire within her head until it was too much to bear, and only the dark thoughts remained—and Kana had listened to those thoughts because it was easier than trying to stop them, and she'd hurt Amu because of that decision.

But there was also that not-so-little part of her. The part that was a little girl who just wanted someone to look after her and make her problems go away. Even if that meant being a burden, because there was no way she wasn't going to be a burden on anyone who spent too much time around her—but god she didn't want to be alone again. She couldn't pretend she did. Not anymore.

She sat for a while in the bathtub and struggled to think past her exhaustion; trying to come up with some course of action that didn't involve admitting that all she really wanted was to crawl into a hole and hide forever—because Amu had said: 'Let's stay friends'—and so Kana should be doing something about that now, something other than getting Shirogane's bathroom dirty.

There was a towel.

There were clothes too, once she summoned up the willpower to pull herself out of the bath, and she dressed herself after drying herself off because Shirogane wouldn't want her to drip all over the floor, and then she wandered outside of the bathroom looking for the detective. It didn't take her long to find the woman. Kana followed her trail—the nothingness—and Shirogane was sitting at a table with food on it when Kana found her.

"Feeling a little better?" Shirogane asked. Kana didn't reply immediately—too busy looking at her feet—and Shirogane repeated her question again after a few seconds. "Kana-san?"

"Yeah," Kana lied.

Shirogane stared at her for a moment and then sighed, pushing out a chair with one foot for Kana to sit in. Kana sat down and fiddled with the hem of her shirt, pretending not to notice the woman's scrutiny.

"You need food," Shirogane told her. "I'll ask Marie-chan to do your hair in the morning. Until then, please try to eat something." She paused before continuing on; her voice turning unexpectedly gentle. "I know today has been difficult for you."

Kana nodded numbly in response, barely registering the words.

Today had been difficult.

Was difficult.

Would be difficult again tomorrow?

"I thought of asking my boyfriend to come over, too, but that might be too many people for one day," Shirogane continued on, picking out some salad and a few pieces of chicken, along with a generous helping of rice. She slid the plate over to Kana. "So for now it's just the two of us. If you'd rather have another type of food—soup, maybe-"

"No!" Kana protested, accidentally cutting the woman off. "...no. You don't have to do anything for me," she continued on lamely after a second or two. "I'm... okay?"

Shirogane ignored the obvious lie in favour of adding some pork to the plate and pushing it closer to Kana again.

Kana's stomach growled.

She'd had a meal less than an hour ago, but after going several days without food? She was ravenous again already.

"You will be," Shirogane said. "Eat."

Kana hesitantly picked up the chopsticks and shovelled some rice into her mouth, sure that as soon as she swallowed it she'd throw up. But somehow it stayed down—the taste strangely bland and then flavourful all of a sudden as a switch flipped in her mind—and Kana's hunger got the better of her, devouring everything on the plate with a ferocity that surprised even her in its intensity.

She hardly even noticed when Shirogane pushed more rice onto her plate, until it was gone and Shirogane was handing her a cup of water as well. Kana took it hesitantly—wondering when Shirogane had gotten up in the first place—and drank from it in quick, desperate gulps.

Kana wanted more food but-

She suddenly felt a bit like she might burst if she ate any more than she already had, groaning slightly in discomfort as her body finally registered just how much food she'd shoved into it without thinking. Shirogane seemed to have noticed it as well, or she simply anticipated Kana's behaviour—either way she had an arm ready to help her up.

Kana couldn't help but stumble when she tried to push to her feet—even the motion of standing was an effort—and then she was in Shirogane's arms, being lifted up and carried towards the couch as though she were a child again. A couch that Shirogane had converted into a makeshift bed, complete with blankets and a pillow.

"Sleep," Shirogane murmured gently. "Everything else can wait until tomorrow."

Kana didn't argue.

She was already half asleep when her head hit the pillow.

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"I wasn't exactly looking for a daughter," Naoto began slowly, watching the girl breathe softly as she slept.

Kana was comfortably tucked into the corner of the couch, a blanket hiding most of her face—almost childlike in sleep, an illusion shattered by the bruises visible all around the girl's neck. Shirogane had had to pack her inside two layers of blankets before she stopped shivering, though she wasn't sure if that was cold or simple exhaustion.

Could have been either. Could also be mentality. Naoto doubted if Kana felt safe here yet, or—anywhere.

"Want or not, Nao-chan," Marie said quietly, wrapping her arms around her and letting out a heavy sigh into Shirogane's shoulder. "A twelve-year-old is what we've got." She slouched into her, forcing Naoto to hold her upright, and chuckled quietly. There was little humour in the sound. "A fixer-upper to boot. The things you do to me."

"The things we do to ourselves," Shirogane corrected. They kept their voices low, so as to not disturb the girl. "Weren't you just saying you wanted children?"

"When you and Yu-kun are older," Marie replied, making a face at Naoto before glancing down at the girl sleeping on their couch. "Right now it sounds like more trouble than it's worth, 'specially if I don't get to have my own. But needs gotta, and she can't go anywhere else. Just how damaged is she, though?"

"I thought you said you could tell?" Shirogane asked in return.

"I can tell her soul is scorched and smoking," Marie replied quietly, all traces of humour fading from her expression, the tinge of snark and grouch disappearing. "Like a tower already fallen. She had her day, fought her fight, and it broke her. Now all that's left is ash, so the question you should ask is what will grow from there. It isn't a question I can answer. Yu-kun would be better suited to helping her than me, and Elizabeth or Margaret better than him, but Nao-chan... is she worth your time?"

"She is," Shirogane said without hesitation; not needing to consider it for even a moment, to make up her mind.

She'd already made it up on the ride home. Only a monster would look at someone Kana's age, then turn her away because she'd made mistakes that could have been avoided. Children were meant to make mistakes. Kana's were worse than most, but only because of the adults around her. She'd done better than anyone could ask of her—she'd have needed to be someone else to do better than she had. Naoto couldn't, wouldn't ask that of anyone.

"Even though you realise this is for life?" Marie pressed on, letting go to look her properly in the eyes. "She might never be alright. It'll take her months to trust you, if not years. And at the end of it all, what you'll have isn't some cute daughter. She's a young lady who has problems grown men struggle with, and no real faith in anyone at all. You won't get to abandon her in a month, or a year. If you want her soul to shine again..."

Marie blushed lightly at her choice of wording, but didn't correct herself.

"You'll be there forever."

"I will," Naoto said simply, reaching out to touch Kana's face, gently brushing some hair from it and smiling softly when Kana let out a grunt of protest at the movement.

"Of your own free will," Marie murmured, an odd reverb entering her voice. She sounded like two people speaking in perfect harmony. "Naoto," she continued on. "You've made up your mind, to take this responsibility?"

"I have," Shirogane replied.

"Then so be it," Marie said quietly.

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Thanks go to the beta-readers. You know where you are, and so do the unicorn hordes.
 
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Aww, Kana didn't stay awake to meet Marie, was looking forward to seeing her reaction to Marie after having her reaction to Hikaru.
Yu-kun would be better suited to helping her than me, and Elizabeth or Margaret better than him
Makes me wonder how feasible it would be to get the Velvet Room's assistance in mending Big Yui, if such a thing is possible. And helping Small Yui, if for nothing else than training her to better control her powers.
She was ugly right now.

Didn't matter—what she thought or wanted—she didn't get to be pretty anyway, but...
Eh, Amu didn't exactly come out of fighting demons looking like a supermodel either. If Kana really wanted to look pristine, at least she has Illusion for it. Considering she's on the run from the government? Probably best she doesn't look like a supermodel.

I was actually mildly surprised to see she had 2 dots in Appearance on her stat sheet considering her lifestyle.

Purely from a utilitarian standpoint, the best look for her to adopt to avoid scrutiny is one that is as bland and un-Kana-like as possible. And maybe actually even a little bit ugly, as that makes people not want to look too much.
 
Has Yu been told he's a father yet? :V

Too bad most of this will probably happen off screen, including the bit where Naoto explains that the Alice looking shadow is a real girl with real parents and at least one other sibling that has whatever you call "being a shadow with their own human body".

"I'm pretty sure Alice Ami knows Die For Me, but her version is a different element and she doesn't seem to like using it" - Naoto, possibly.
 
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That's quite a commitment to make to some kid you didn't know existed 3 hours ago, who you met when they tried to murder you.
I'm not going to give you a blow by blow account of her thoughts. However, she made that decision because Kana tried to kill her—not in spite of that.

And some of it she made on the spot, in response to Marie's prodding.

Aww, Kana didn't stay awake to meet Marie, was looking forward to seeing her reaction to Marie after having her reaction to Hikaru.
Alas. But that wouldn't have been a clever move from Naoto, and she's nothing if not competent.

Makes me wonder how feasible it would be to get the Velvet Room's assistance in mending Big Yui, if such a thing is possible. And helping Small Yui, if for nothing else than training her to better control her powers.
You'll have to wait and see. It's in Marie's hands now.

Eh, Amu didn't exactly come out of fighting demons looking like a supermodel either.
…she isn't really talking about physical appearance.
 
…she isn't really talking about physical appearance.
Oh? ......Well, I guess it's true that, since Kana didn't fully accept her Shadow, Amu dissuading her from mutilating her own Shadow strictly-speaking hasn't fixed her own self-image issues.

But hey, however ugly Kana still sees her own soul at this point, you gotta admit it is a tremendous step up from thinking it's so ugly it needed a full-blown psychic facelift.

That is a huge improvement from several hours before.
 
"I can tell her soul is scorched and smoking," Marie replied quietly, all traces of humour fading from her expression, the tinge of snark and grouch disappearing. "Like a tower already fallen. She had her day, fought her fight, and it broke her. Now all that's left is ash, so the question you should ask is what will grow from there.
.....You know, speaking of the looks of people's souls, I do wonder what Marie would see if she had a chance to take a look at Saaya's.

Kana's may look like a collapsed building after an arson, but at least Marie could tell that it used to be one before, plus Kana didn't actually go through with her custom renovation plans in the end.

Saaya, on the other hand, actually went ahead and put herself into a coma. Indications would suggest HER soul has probably been more Humpty Lock than soul for the better part of her hospital stay.

If she was questioning whether Kana was worth the time, I can only imagine what she'd have to say about Saaya.
 
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