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Army of Liberty: a Fantasy Revolutionary Warfare Quest

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Dutch said:
Keep in mind that sieges of the time period take a while. As in generally being measured in months rather than weeks.
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Against a proper fortress, yes. But I remember Martelnac lacking proper walls and only holding for a few days if sieged. I assume the situation is comparable on the other side.
 
MrRageQuit said:
I mean more that it might encourage "extending the Revolution" by conquest, as the Liberationists are already hyped to do. I don't deny there are benefits in this campaign to doing this, though your plan's write-ins do keep it measured.
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This is a long term concern, but I don't think this should guide our decisions right now.
 
[] Plan Creative Defense
-[] Go on the offensive
-[] Siege Daurstein
- [] Write the assembly that the moment for offensive action against Norn is here, and fleeting fast. Inform them of the state of the western army. Ask for reinforcements to secure the Nornish border and start proper offensive operations. Explain that the 5th is at the border of Norn around Martelnac, taking Daurstein as a defensive buffer with the goal of stopping any enemy from even stepping on Arnése soil. Stress your determination to abide by any decision and order the rightful government of the people will give you. You are merely obeying the spirit instead of the letter of your orders for a good defense by taking the rapidly changing local situation into account, not deciding how the war should be waged.
-[] Tell Guillory to join you at Daurstein. Stress that any future offensive must pass trough Daurstein, with Arnesé having the opportunity to secure a buffer. Say that you won't let the opportunity to pass and make the need to be together for Trotha's superior numbers to be overcome very clear.

Assaulting the city directly leaves our army less able to perform meaningful offensives, which is bad. A siege is for the best here, it keeps our army relativly fresh for the actual battle while buying time for reinforcements to come. Remember, we have a bad shot at beating Trotha without aid.
 
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[] Go on the offensive.
-[] Assault Daurstein. (Modified)
-[] Offer very generous terms to the enemy officers, very, very generous terms to the enemy soldiers, and generous and reasonable terms to Daurstein ahead of your arrival, even if it might mean a delay or a day or so. Make it clear that it is not your intent to war on the People of Norn, and that insisting on fighting will only cause unnecessary loss of life.
-[] Make sure this information is widely known, using more than one messenger, so that it cannot be hidden from either the populace or the common soldier.

Something like this?
 
Oh, and just to be clear: Daurstein is somewhat fortified, not a fortress. Don't approach this like trying to take a medival citadel before a defense can form, sieging or outright surrender is very much on the table.

Photomajig said:
It's somewhat fortified and controls the most direct access to the Kriegspfad road. But since the road can also be accessed by crossing the Vaud in the west and going across the Mauvais Plain, its not a critical defensive point per se.
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Red Rationalist said:
Against a proper fortress, yes. But I remember Martelnac lacking proper walls and only holding for a few days if sieged. I assume the situation is comparable on the other side.
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I'm... not sure if that holds true? Remember, Arné was in major financial trouble a few years back. Garrison troops and fort maintenance certainly suffered for it, nevermind the impact of the revolution itself. Sure. It isn't Mantua, but it should be in better state than Martelnac.
 
Dutch said:
I'm... not sure if that holds true? Remember, Arné was in major financial trouble a few years back. Garrison troops and fort maintenance certainly suffered for it, nevermind the impact of the revolution itself.
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Fair point, though the description of "somewhat fortified" doesn't hint at a city that can be sieged for months. It could endure for a couple of weeks, but I'm betting on capitulation happening quickly.
 
Red Rationalist said:
Seems like it, yes. Do you see any problems with my proposal?
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Well, among other things I'm worried that without the sense of crisis from a possible assault they could wind up taking weeks to go back and forth. Part of the thing with the threatened assault is to basically try to create a situation where they have a chance for this all to end without much further bloodshed...
 
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I like the idea of going to the city with generous terms. Plus, actually taking a place should be a prestigious thing for us to do.
 
The Laurent said:
Well, among other things I'm worried that without the sense of crisis from a possible assault they could wind up taking weeks to go back and forth. Part of the thing with the threatened assault is to basically try to create a situation where they have a chance for this all to end without much further bloodshed...
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If we are having extended negotiations, I assume we can threaten an assault when the time comes for it. We are also free to make decisions while the actual siege happens and presumably don't need to decide all of this upfront.
 
I'm more concerned about gathering support for a offensive from the relevant parties right now, not frontloading the perfect strategy for forcing a surrender.
 
I think this is probably a case where it's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission, unless we lose. So let's not lose.
 
Nevis said:
I think this is probably a case where it's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission, unless we lose. So let's not lose.
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That's all well and good, but we need the army to be ready to invade Norn. Without telling the assembly, that just won't happen. It's probably also worth it to avoid any impression of us trying to undermine the authority of the assembly, just for the sake of keeping them sympathetic and not paranoid of the armed forces.
 
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I'm not convinced that Daurstein is this vital linchpin that needs to be taken before we can conduct further operations.

Here's an idea. If it does turn out that they're willing to go for a siege, maybe have the Sixth actually conduct it while we set up positions at the Raoille?
 
Dutch said:
I'm not convinced that Daurstein is this vital linchpin that needs to be taken before we can conduct further operations.

Here's an idea. If it does turn out that they're willing to go for a siege, maybe have the Sixth actually conduct it while we set up positions at the Raoille?
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Sure, but the Sixth needs to come here for that. Which will take seven days or so.
 
Btw @Photomajig we've had a pop-up on the morale stat of the Army of the West, but what about their discipline stat? Was it affected by Brutet and are we allowed to know?
 
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