Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Karl "Lease?"
Molly "Me and God have a non-competing agreement, but becoming unaging and other forms of life extension is on the table."
 
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I don't really feel like offering this stranger we know nothing about anything without some commitment or reciprocity on his part. Now if the Paranet existed yet I might offer him membership of that, but what you are offering sounds like just dropping Molly's valuable time down a hole.
We wouldn't be obligated to actually invest any time, power, or resources into him, but so long as he reaches out to us first we would at least know that he isn't content with the power he already has, is seeking more, and is willing to make deals to gain it.

We can turn him down, point him in a better direction, or in extreme circumstances, intervene before he does something stupid.
 
Ok, so the most logical upgrade / finish to the place is to make it give people enlightenment. Proper Exalted style at that.
 
Ok, so the most logical upgrade / finish to the place is to make it give people enlightenment. Proper Exalted style at that.
Yes I really want to get control over that Well now. It's a great extra to our existence power up suite offer. Should we send Olivia in and see if she gets anything? Although we should send Harry first.
 
Adjusting my vote to give Karl a small taste before he dives in.

[X] Keep going down the list, maybe you'll find someone else like Karl in need of direction, maybe you'll find something worse
-[x]"Can I install a useful app on your phone?"
--[x]If Karl agrees use HMP on his phone well wet
---[x][Stunt] "Alan Turing you are to serve Karl to the best of your ability."
----[x]If the binding isn't permanent tell Karl how long it will last and offer to renew at that time.
--[x][Stunt]"Also if you are ever considering leasing your soul for power please consider me before all other offers. I will give you a better deal then any of my compensation."
--[x] Elaborate the deal if he asks awakening the soul and control over that so long as he serves.
--[x][Stunt]"One more thing. Just as beliefs shape magic magic also shapes belief. You can only do things that you truly believe in which is self reinforcing in a really slippery slope so the White Council has 7 zero tolerance laws of magic. If you break any of them against your fellow man they declare you a warlock and chop your head off. Off course if you take my deal that stops being a problem."
 
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[X] Now that you know it's some kind of test and that it works on mortal magicians, why not see what a wizard of your acquaintance
-[X] Harry Dresden
 
I feel like putting a Cyber devil* in Karl's phone is a great balance of offering him benefits without costing Molly time well also making Karl a bit more interested in further offers. Hopefully Alan Turning is extremely helpful.

Also added a warning about the laws of magic.

*Named Alan Turning feels like a great touch considering how he named his dogs.
 
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Holy moly we need to get Dresden here holy crap this allowed someone who had a path magic to break path Magic. In regular world of Darkness terms he is most the way to having life sphere 3 now. Sure it's not as flexible as life sphere three but he can work life effects on other organisms and himself.

Well I don't think it would break Harry's sphere magic the same way. It might grant him a whole new sphere in general whether that be an upgrade or just a new one. That's possibly putting away that it might be like a Seeking in a pocket Realm which is a thing that can happen in regular Mage but I wasn't expecting to possibly see here.

Edit: seekings are things Mages do to increase their Arete/ power stat.

In game terms he has this:

Psychic Ritual + Impossible Ritual (2x2 Points Merit):
The caster can apply the benefits of his Biocontrol to a target animal. This requires a mixture similar to those of his Psychic Focus, made specifically for the animal and a single desired effect, within 24 hours before using it.

And he thinks humans are a kind of animal so he can do a DC 9 roll to affect humans

Of course he also has this:

Psychic Focus (4 Points Flaw):
To utilize his Bio Control the caster must ingest or inject various herbal or chemical mixtures that supposedly activate the body's full potential. These are generally harmless, legal and without measurable effect outside of the caster.
 
In game terms he has this:

Psychic Ritual + Impossible Ritual (2x2 Points Merit):
The caster can apply the benefits of his Biocontrol to a target animal. This requires a mixture similar to those of his Psychic Focus, made specifically for the animal and a single desired effect, within 24 hours before using it.

And he thinks humans are a kind of animal so he can do a DC 9 roll to affect humans

Of course he also has this:

Psychic Focus (4 Points Flaw):
To utilize his Bio Control the caster must ingest or inject various herbal or chemical mixtures that supposedly activate the body's full potential. These are generally harmless, legal and without measurable effect outside of the caster.
He did have the psychic Focus flaw before he went in there right? Did The Proving Ground use the fact that he had the psychic Focus flaw to provide him that ritual? Also The Proving Ground granted him an impossible ritual that's really cool.
 
I wonder how much of a donation we would have to make to Harvard for them to give us the building?
 
Or we could just give him a letter of recommendation for a very high class tailor in our realm.
This is the guy who doesn't even bother repainting the spare parts he adds to his car, pretty sure he physically can't cross the threshold into a high class tailor's place. :V

Fair enough point, I was just thinking that he'd do better with something made for him to build off of rather than a thing he just uses for this bit if kit.

I want to get him some better items, but in different roles at a later point. I'm very curious to see what a wizard could do with a scepter of elemental authority for example.
Olivia needs weapons that she can carry around at all times without being obvious. Lugging around a sniper rifle in day to day life isn't very feasible, but small concealed handguns shouldn't be overly difficult to manage, especially with FFCF magitech.
I'm on board for the pistols, but given Molly's skill with mechanics I think it's worth considering a carbine of some kind as well so she can turn the tables on someone attacking her.

Olivia can fight, but she's built to be a killer. If someone starts shit she should vanish and pick carefully aimed shots from randomly changing firing positions.

If you lose sight of her then your next warning should be a polite request to soak 10+ Agg with your face.

If 10 mid grade whamps try to murder her in the streets they should either kill her in the first few seconds or die one at a time over the next 15 minutes without a lot of in between.

I'm looking forward to her first outing nearly as much as I'm dreading the consequences, because I don't think she appreciates how dangerous she can be with even a small amount of planning. If Olivia was running on her own I'd say she'd only be a few years out from being the sort of name that makes color drain from people's faces if she didn't die first.
 
I wonder how much of a donation we would have to make to Harvard for them to give us the building?
We could use our Crown to ask the question of how it was created and if worse comes to worse we could just take it. Not the building in Harvard obviously but the other side where the well resides which holds no owner at the moment.
 
"That sounds like you slipped into the spirit world," Lydia offers. "You were given a test, you passed it, by the very edge of what your magic would allow and then you were allowed to leave. The Well if a proving ground, that is why they choose an university to anchor it, not just any university one of the best in the world. It is an unfinished proving ground."
Oh my. I like the look of this.

The obvious leap is to making Jade analogs, but I think this would be a neat sync up point for making Garou if we want to go that route. They get their gifts from spirits, so what about making some sort of base package via IDU and arranging the well into a trial site where spirits of Molly's world can teach them thematically aligned gifts?

Or maybe something more generic if we can be that greedy. Set up a place where anyone who we subject to fomori charms can face trials to master their power and grow to something more.

Fomori built to have access to gifts can piecemeal work their way up to being like Garou by turning outward to master their ability to act on the world as a dark spirit might through their symbiotic partner. While ones built like Olivia turn inwards to master their own awakened soul and channel it into the world.

I don't really like the idea of it going too far because it'd kill the whole thing where they become their own new supernatural species, but maybe we could work something out that threads the needle.

Making custom things that are better than base splats would be dumb, but maybe we could work out something with strong specialization?

[] Now that you know it's some kind of test and that it works on mortal magicians, why not see what a wizard of your acquaintance
-[] Carlos Ramirez
-[] Harry Dresden
I'd rather not bring anyone in until we've got full control. For safety and profit reasons.
 
Another thought here; what if instead of the Garou we tried other form of Fera? They're also powerful, but not typically to the same extreme, and have some neat themes.

Ananasi but without the weird pheromone thing would be a neat link to the species of the FCF. They get a minor spirit of the same aspect that our spider people descend from and focus on emulating it more fully.

Mokolé In general are really interesting, because we could connect them to our dragon people and their memory ability to say the collective impressions left as people pass through the wheel.

Thematically their connection is more limited, but Nagah look interesting because they turn into 16-20 foot snake monsters in one of their war forms and that sounds like an amazing way to solve your problems.

For our purposes the trade of super murder for other specializations is actually pretty good since the full splat isn't in play. We get a sizable portion of the good stuff without necessarily blowing the game up in the process.
 
I wonder how much of a donation we would have to make to Harvard for them to give us the building?
Depends on our wheeling and dealing. We would likely be better off finding the person in charge of that sort of thing and directly making a deal with them rather than trying to drowned the problem with money.


Changed 7 law stunt to help show how helpful have a Cyber devil is.
[X] Keep going down the list, maybe you'll find someone else like Karl in need of direction, maybe you'll find something worse
-[x]"Can I install a useful app on your phone?"
--[x]If Karl agrees use HMP on his phone well wet
---[x][Stunt] "Alan Turing you are to serve Karl to the best of your ability."
----[x]If the binding isn't permanent tell Karl how long it will last and offer to renew at that time.
--[x][Stunt]"Also if you are ever considering leasing your soul for power please consider me before all other offers. I will give you a better deal then any of my competitors."
--[x] Elaborate the deal if he asks awakening the soul and control over that so long as he serves.
--[x][Stunt]"One more thing. Just as beliefs shape magic magic also shapes belief. You can only do things that you truly believe in which is self reinforcing in a really slippery slope so the White Council has 7 zero tolerance laws of magic. Clippy show the 7 laws on screen.". You hold up your phone. "If you break any of them against your fellow man they declare you a warlock and chop your head off. Of course if you take my deal that stops being a problem."
 
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Depends on our wheeling and dealing. We would likely be better off finding the person in charge of that sort of thing and directly making a deal with them rather than trying to drowned the problem with money.


Changed 7 law stunt to help show how helpful have a Cyber devil is.
[X] Keep going down the list, maybe you'll find someone else like Karl in need of direction, maybe you'll find something worse
-[x]"Can I install a useful app on your phone?"
--[x]If Karl agrees use HMP on his phone well wet
---[x][Stunt] "Alan Turing you are to serve Karl to the best of your ability."
----[x]If the binding isn't permanent tell Karl how long it will last and offer to renew at that time.
--[x][Stunt]"Also if you are ever considering leasing your soul for power please consider me before all other offers. I will give you a better deal then any of my compensation."
--[x] Elaborate the deal if he asks awakening the soul and control over that so long as he serves.
--[x][Stunt]"One more thing. Just as beliefs shape magic magic also shapes belief. You can only do things that you truly believe in which is self reinforcing in a really slippery slope so the White Council has 7 zero tolerance laws of magic. Clippy show the 7 laws on screen.". You hold up your phone. "If you break any of them against your fellow man they declare you a warlock and chop your head off. Of course if you take my deal that stops being a problem."
Not a fan of sticking a Cyber-Devil in his phone. That seems very premature, IMO.
 
Not a fan of sticking a Cyber-Devil in his phone. That seems very premature, IMO.
And if you actually gave a reason I could engage with it as is we just have a difference of opinions. To me a cyber devil helper is that perfect blend of being super helpful for both the person we give it to and us. I would be up to offer one to just about everyone we met. Every soul we save from the wicked city is a good in it's own right.
 
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And if you actually gave a reason I could engage with it as is we just have a difference of opinions. To me a cyber devil helper is that perfect blend of being super helpful for both the person we give it to and us. I would be up to offer one to just about everyone we met. Every soul we save from the wicked city is a good in it's own right.
I agree that it would be super helpful for him, but this is a first meeting with a dude who may or may not end up wanting to have anything to do with the supernatural community. HMP'ing his phone could be dangerous for him, since we've already seen several instances of sufficiently skilled or powerful beings having the ability to detect our Cyber-Devils in devices.

We'll be leaving to go back to Chicago soon, then he's going to be here by himself while carrying around evidence that we've taken some degree of interest in him, all while being completely unable to defend himself any better than the average unarmed muggle.
 
I agree that it would be super helpful for him, but this is a first meeting with a dude who may or may not end up wanting to have anything to do with the supernatural community. HMP'ing his phone could be dangerous for him, since we've already seen several instances of sufficiently skilled or powerful beings having the ability to detect our Cyber-Devils in devices.

We'll be leaving to go back to Chicago soon, then he's going to be here by himself while carrying around evidence that we've taken some degree of interest in him, all while being completely unable to defend himself any better than the average unarmed muggle.
1.They are detectable, but not easy to detect. Someone with good enough senses to detect a cyber devil is likely to notice that Karl and his dogs are magic so the risk factor doesn't really go up.
2.The reason that we are interested in Harvard in the first place is that it is supposed to have been cleaned out so Karl's risk profile is even lower.
3. Evidence of Molly taking an interest in him is likely more protection on average then risk in general. Much like we would be less likely to mess with someone carrying a object of Winter or Summer or Odin power. Without it Karl is just a low power mage I.E. tasty prey. With it he is prey that another big predator has put their mark on. Assuming of course that they don't think Karl bound it. In which case he seems like a bigger fish and threat.
 
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Depends on our wheeling and dealing. We would likely be better off finding the person in charge of that sort of thing and directly making a deal with them rather than trying to drowned the problem with money.
Formal ownership of the land seems unlikely. As mentioned in the chapter Harvard has owned that property almost as long as it's existed. It'd be a huge scandal if nothing else.

It's probably simpler to subvert the entire university than take one building. Which started as a joke, but actually seems surprisingly plausible at a second look.

Harvard has a weird setup with a special corporation with a small number members that owns the whole thing. Nowadays it's a 13 person board, but the quest is happening in 2006. From its foundation to that year the corporation only has 6 members, it changed things up because the president at the time was a sexist fuckup*. He's staring down a no confidence vote and the university is in managerial turmoil.

Which is the perfect time to make a deal with a devil.

We don't have VEE but we could offer him a social rebuild via IDU, dirt on his rivals (which we naturally keep copies of in addition to any blackmail we dig up on him), and demonic AI assistance in doing the hard parts of his job.

All he has to do is sign on the dotted line.

Taking the other seats will be harder, but we have the best information warfare tool in existence and they're secretive academic plutocrats. There's something for us to use.

Justifying it IC is a little tricky, but I can sort of see making the argument that we're giving these guys their just desserts and saving the university from suffering simply because it's leadership is unconcerned with their wellbeing and completely unequipped to deal with their new supernatural terrain feature.

* I'm assuming that we won't have real people appearing in the quest, but that events should roughly be the same. So even if the current president is completely different their general struggles with the school would be the same.
 
We probably don't want to leave a cyber devil out on its own; I feel at least a little responsible for them and this guy is someone we just met on the street.

Also, Molly herself is probably not comfortable enough with leasing souls from people to mention it so casually. I think it's reasonable that she'd do it under some circumstances, but not just drop it as she walks out the door.

It's also bad marketing. When he goes to do follow up on this anyone he talks to and any useful source he reads is going to tell him that's an immediate red flag and however nice we seem it's probably going to go south fast.

That isn't the case, but he doesn't know that and nobody he consults is going to either. Either press the sale now or leave a good impression so we can gently lead him into it later. Don't go halfway and then leave.

Over and above all that it's bad to present IDU as soul leasing to him while standing in front of Olivia. Whether or not you can argue it's true that's not how we presented it to her even with the element of service. Slapping her with one of the worse angles to take on her new condition as an apparently thoughtless slip isn't good for minion morale.

It's like making a comment about how good you are at exploiting your employees in front of a new hire.

If we want to press a deal on a more immediate basis it'd be best to frame it as something else. It's one of the immutable laws of marketing; if you can't own a category make up a new one for the same thing and own that instead.

Offer to let him rent enlightenment instead of asking if he's interested in leasing out his soul. It doesn't matter if they're actually the same thing, his perception of the facts is what's going to inform his decisions.

It's kinda like the difference between "human traffickers found to be supplying unwilling sex workers from across the country to local massage parlors" and "clandestine rape camps exposed by longstanding deal with continent spanning slavery rings". Those are both the same thing, but one is nice and padded so you can emotionally separate them.

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