I'm not talking about faking calmness. I'm saying that she should make herself calm down, if she has to.
You might be able to use Charisma instead of Manipulate, but it would still be contested.
... I think you missed the part where Amu already mentioned that if anyone else went, they might get shot at.
Only completely unreasonable parents would allow their thirteen-year-old daughter to go into a situation where someone might end up shot, especially in Japan, where firearms possession is massively restricted.
I'm not sure about the WP, but we can always stunt. Frankly, if I knew how to write a good stunt, I'd try to make one that gives us a Charisma + Presence roll, to take advantage of Amu's good stats in this situation. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to do that, especially since I'm effectively somewhat drunk right now.
I think the fear of loss of relationship with her mother is substantially over estimated. Of course there are impacts, but there are such in all routes and I think they'd be highly manageable. And considering the future, further issues like this are only bound to show up more. Trying to coddle and protect Amu is a fundamentally impossible strategy for her parents really, the future simply does not allow for that option to work.
I didn't, instead I forgot to bring that up again. Which is an oversight.
According to this, Midori would in fact prefer that you call in an adult:
I can't make you believe it's a good idea, but you will also not make me believe that Amu shutting out her mother is a low-consequence decision or a good idea.
... I think you missed my point, which is, "Why would Midori let her thirteen-year-old daughter go into a situation where the other side is in possession of illegal firearms, and is very likely to use them on anyone else, without getting a very good explanation?"
I'm not convinced this is really a low-consequence decision. I personally suspect where the scavengers fall could matter a bit to the future and how Amu develops.
It wasn't a choice, in my option Amu will simply go because she won't abandon her friend. The question is more if her mother decides to help her further in it or not. It was an oversight for me to not cover the gun matter in my vote though, I'll correct that.
You believe Amu souring her relationship with her mother is of relatively low consequence, I don't.
Honestly I agree with Nero's logic that telling Saeki is going to really fucking piss off Scavenger. It's one thing if Amu tells her own mother, who's already met one of them, about their situation in order to convince her to allow Amu to go check on them in case, y'know, Manticore found them or something; Naomi won't be happy about it, but I imagine the others could be convinced. Giving someone none of them have met enough information to let said person spy on them, on the other hand, is... much, much worse.
The vote explicitly spelled out "Without telling her anything about the Scavengers", which is also supposed to include the address of the house.
No that's a misunderstanding, I don't believe it will lead to much souring of the relationship. For that to happen in my point of view, she would have to be a different kind of mother.
Bringing Midori to see the Scavengers and letting them explain is the proposed solution to resolving the dispute, assuming the Scavengers are there.
You can change my sentence to "Impact on Amu's relationship with her mother is low-consequence" if you like, same result - I predict it will cause problems but you don't.
I wasn't talking about her use. I just don't like what it does to family dynamics, in my view on good family interactions bringing an outsider in to a family dispute is just weird and won't usually do one any favors in properly resolving it.
If you had a dispute with your mother over how safe it was to be doing Muay Thai and wanted to show her the dojo, you (or at least I) would be happy to trust a taxi driver to take everyone there.
Sorry, I personally can't see Saeki as just the driver in this case.
I will admit, having never watched Shugo Chara, I don't know the nature or limits of Saeki's abilities. But I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow derived more information from her vision than the Scavengers are comfortable with.
Yes, that's a valid use for WP.
I just realised, based on this post by Baughn?
It also isn't going to happen. Amu would be WP-tapped first.
I appreciate your desire to keep promises, but the most important part of that principle is not making promises that would be bad to keep. Letting people talk you into commitments you shouldn't actually keep, and then keeping them anyway, is a bad principle and if you find yourself following it you should stop.
I hope Amu remembers to bring this. I'm not sure we can actually swing enough votes to get it into the winning plan explicitly at this point. (If one of our parents ends up coming, they should be the one to bring it - they need it a lot more, assuming it works.)
Considering I noted that at current I didn't consider this particular promise that problematic, I don't think you need to worry about me keeping to promises unreasonably, I clearly already keep such concerns in mind as such.
