I think I have a solution. We don't target summer fae for the demonstration. Have Harry summon Toot-toot. Use him as a focus to learn who among the wyldfae is Nfected. Catch one of those. Call Titania to witness the exorcism.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
- Location
- Germany
Dealing with the Summer Nfected doesn't fit in our plans this month.
Can we just give Lily the item and leave it be?
Can we just give Lily the item and leave it be?
The issue is that just giving Lily the splendor locks us out of dealing with Nfected later if not handled correctly.
[X] Write in: Call Michael
Realistically we don't lose much or anything by doing this.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Stirring up shit with a faction partially in control of the global weather patterns and infiltrated by an enemy we aggroed then fucking off to Vegas, just because we don't feel like dealing with it, is irresponsible and lazy.
We need more information on Titania. All we really have is that she doesn't act in a rational manner, which doesn't really give us much to work with before meeting her in person. lll vote for this for now.
[X] Write in: Call Michael
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- Location
- Brazil
Just to correct you, I think the Exalted vs World of Darkness information would be how Titania will see us:
Not a hellknight but a true royal of darkness.
Calling in Micheal isn't ideal. Titania is unlikely to buy that we're doing all of this purely out of a sense of civic duty, but calling Micheal as a witness clashes with presenting a more mercenary image.
Titania isn't Mab, things feeling off is going to weigh heavily on how she reacts to it.
Titania isn't Mab, things feeling off is going to weigh heavily on how she reacts to it.
We don't have to actually deal with them this month, though we probably should. We just need to package the information on it and get Lily the splendor without triggering an incident.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Any idea who Harry's friend in Summer who should be in good grace be? Because from reading the update that seems like the best option.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
One thing to keep in mind is that the Nemesis shards are somehow connected right? If we take out the one in Vegas the few in Summer will know. Vice versa should also apply. No way to know how they'll react to that but it's something to think about.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Look for Uju's previous post he brought it up. Its most likely his childhood friend from before he killed his old master who wanted to thrall them both when they were kids.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
She seems perfect why is no one voting for her?
If we keep up our current rate of dealing with Nemesis agents being on his shit list is likely to soon not be a big problem. It will be too busy regrouping.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Check Uju's previous post.
Actually.. I think it's worth getting her involved. We need more context than we have on the Summer Court inner workings and there are things Lily straight up isn't able to tell us. As is we'd be going into this blind.
[X] Write in: Call in Micheal and ask Harry to contact his friend.
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The wyldfae arent organized enough, and mostly arent powerful enough to be worth infiltrating.
Thats kinda their point.
And I fail to see how you expect us to be able to hunt and capture and imprison a wyldfae thats Nemesis-touched.
You cant summon it; Nemesis knows who we and Dresden are and simply wont respond to a summons, especially in the absence of a True Name to compel the appearance of said person.
It can also run just fine.
And we arent quite so overwhelmingly powerful to be assured of our ability to engage something like that without having to kill it. The practicals arent lining up in my head
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Furthermore, we killed an Outsider at the Raith party.
We made no attempt to hide it, and Titania almost certainly knows that already. Combined with whatever old lore she has on what the Exalted are, she is going to be better informed than we expect.
A mercenary image is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
And I suspect giving Lily a splendor for free is incompatible with a mercenary image anyway, not to mention most of our other activities over the last six months, from Cleveland to Maeve.
You can be sure she has a dossier on us.
Not like we've been quiet, from upgrading a Dragons Nest to killing an Outsider at the Raith party.
Because we'd have to read her in on a bunch of Molly's secrets. Because we dont know how Titania, who is still grieving her daughter's death, would react to the presence of one of her daughter's surviving friends/assistants who was aiding her daughter during the plot that got Aurora killed.
Because we cannot protect her from Nemesis' attention, or those of a Summer Queen, afterwards while she lives on the west coast two thousand miles away.
Nemesis/He Who Walks Besides is a Great Walker. THE Great Walker. He is always a big problem.
And he has the support of other Walkers, lesser and greater; there's at least two other Great Walkers in reality as of 2007.
Even injured, we underestimate him at our own peril.
That's a terrible assumption to make there. By the same reasoning, Thomas's girlfriend is a mortal and not worth infecting.
Crown question to learn how to reach their location, ATP with proper setup (i.e.e excellency, BSM, CCC) to veil with 10+ successes. RVD to as close to their location as possible, CCG if they are in NeverNever. We might need when the tigers broke free to prevent escape via a perfect effect, which we don't have, but we have most of the setup to hunt anyone and everyone.
That's speculation. Mab knows very, very little, and some of it at least is wrong. And I expect Mab to know more than Titania.
You would be wrong. That's investment, and Lily is either advertisement to send more business to us, a future rich client, or a patsy we are setting up. Or someone else is paying us to supply Lily.
EDIT: On Michael - I think we might be assuming a lot more authority / trust in him than actually exists. Summer is very much not Christian at all. That's company policy, as we were told - that hints at some underlying tension at least. How much they would respect a knight of White God is a question.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I've been thinking the same thing but its what was voted for and we won't know till we try. I don't know why we can't just ask Harry's friend for advice and info on the Summer Court without trying to bring her to them. We could probably just talk to her without Nemesis knowing.
Justine is the personal assistant and agent/envoy of the White Queen of the White Court of vampires.
In addition to that, she's girlfriend of the White Queen's brother, who also happens to be the brother of a Starborn Warden of the White Council.
She wouldnt be worth infecting if she was just another mortal. She's valuable because of what organizations she's affiliated to.
Wyldfae, by definition, arent affiliated to any organizations; when they do, they usually stop being wyldfae.
The Za Guard is special, as many things around Dresden appear to be.
They become Winter when Dresden becomes Winter Knight, but their affiliation is to him, not the Winter Court.
I suspect if(when) he stops being Winter Knight, so will they.
1)The Crown tells you where they are right at the moment you ask the question, but its not an updating tracker, and foci arent abundant for these people we literally just found out exist.
2)CCC isnt likely to be applicable.
3)Excellencies and BSM should work.
4)Anonymity is not going to work on an greater Walker-possessed person at all; you dont specialize in fucking the Fae without mental protections of some sort.
5)It would be unlikely to work on any of these people even without Nemesis, because they are all Significant entities in the Summer Court, with all that implies for their capabilities.
6)The Tigers Break Free only works on urban settlements, so if they are outside a settlement, no dice either.
Not unless the QM allows Molly to cheese that with shintai and the King and Kingdom.
All in all?
I still dont see how it would work out.
1)Explicitly stated that Mab knows enough to have been able to make a good offer at our meeting
That talk about the Green Sun at our meeting came from a place of knowledge.
(Aside: we should really use our next scene with Maeve as a focus to uncover what Winter knows, by the way. And our next scene with Lily to figure out what Summer knows. Just need to pick a narratively appropriate time for it)
2)The Fae used to be one people prior to the creation of the Queen Mantles, by word of Bob.
I expect that Titania, and Summer, knows as much about the ancestral origins of the Exaltation as Mab and Winter do.
Where Mab has an edge is in the history of this particular Exaltation when it passed through the hands of the Yama Kings.
Hell, Odin knows enough to be looking for more Exaltations, and its widely spread enough that midranking fae that work for him know about this. You vastly underestimate just how interested the Fae as a society have been in the most interesting thing to happen in the last thousand years.
3)We killed an Outsider at a party, in the presence of more than a hundred witnesses both vampires and guests.
Hell, Vittorio Malvora was witness, and we know he's Outsider-aligned. And Justine is part of Lara Raith's staff.
We outright told the Merlin and his entourage that we kill Outsiders, and its something the White Council will discuss.
There's a lot of information out there for a superpower like Summer to access.
I dont believe thats a convincing argument
Lily isnt supposed to be showing this off; its something she will keep hidden, not flaunt.
Molly is not a tradeswoman attempting to build a clientele either, and she doesnt make a living off making stuff for people; her craft are gifts or instruments of statecraft.
Someone paying us to supply Lily runs into the question of who can pay more than a Lady of a Fae Court, and why Lily would need someone else to buy shit for her.
We are playing in very rarefied regimes here.
My two cents.
Summer does not follow the White God, but they know and respect his Power.
The artifacts of the crucifixion are literally in Hades' armory for a reason.
They and the rest of the supernatural community respect the reputation and trustworthiness of the Knights and the Swords they bear. See when Mab talks about Uriel in Small Favor, for example.
Or at Battle Grounds.
The Knights are literally the only non-Accords signatories who we see onscreen allowed to do things like fight Accords duels and act as seconds; Shiro in Death Masks explicitly alludes to having done so several times.
Do remember that Michael killed a capital-D Dragon two decades ago.
Everyone of significance knows of him, and what Sword he bears, even when they cant recognize him on sight like; Ferrovax didnt know him by face at Bianca's Ball, but he knew him by reputation.
The Fae in particular are very familiar with that Sword, since that blade allegedly used to be Excalibur in the Dresdenverse, and Excalibur has long had an association with the Fae in myth.
We would need to brief her on a lot of stuff, and we cant do that over the phone.
She may or may not be Starborn, and shares a birthday with Dresden, while being in the same general tier of power that he is.
She is definitely known to the Outsiders due to all that, and in addition she was geased by DuMorne, and was a companion of Nfested Aurora.
I suspect she is on Nemesis' watchlist.
We don't know that at all. How many wizards, vampires, spirits, and other beings use wyldfae as confidante, servants, soldiers? We don't know that at all.
Citation needed.
Russians and native americans share common human ancestry some paltry 100 thousand years ago. I do not expect Cherokee tribal council to be privy to Russian top secret documents.
Point by point:
1) we can ask for their plans for the next 24 hours. That's close to an updating tracker
2) CCC definitely applies. We initiate ATP in a room with an observer ordered to blow up the room if they notice us leaving. ATP is stealth, and ccc trigger
4-5) That's a huge assumption. It's a perfect effect that is not an attack or shaping. In fact, it's closer to perfect defense against detection attempts. Primacy of defense should hold, and they shouldn't be able to notice us.
6) I don't think it's cheese at all, and we can use a splendor substitute if needed
Odin has one of, if not the best supernatural intelligence nets on the planet, had personal dealings with us, and still has had no success, and his actual pool of knowledge of what exaltations are seems non-existant. You vastly overestimate the accessibility of reliable sources of knowledge about exaltations.
What information? We killed an outsider, and stated that we dislike them. For all fae know and feel, that's because we feel they are rivals for world domination. Or it was a sacrificial ploy to engineer trust. Or infighting among outsider factions.
Reread the scene with Lily, Molly stated her desire to be "an architect for owls", ie to accept commissions and sell her craft.
Any of the Yama kings, Maeve, denarians, some of the outsiders, White King, certain elders of Jade Court.
Citation needed.
OK, looks like we will be calling on Michael.
Arc 11 Post 6: Bitter Brews and Bitter Memories
Bitter Brews and Bitter Memories
3rd of January 2007 A.D.
"I think this is something Dad might be able to help with. If nothing else no one would doubt his honesty or good will."
"The Faerie folk have little love of the White God who took from them the tithe of bread, honey and blood," Tiffany offers, flipping her hair a little dramatically, a challenge if you have ever seen one.
"I'm not looking for hugs, I'm looking for trust," you point out mildly.
"That is a very wintry sentiment, sure to raise their hackles." Her face lights up, or better to say it lights up more, there is always a subtle glow about Tiffany MacNeil, an ethereal limelight that casts her in the most flattering light no matter where she stands or what she's doing. You try not to feel put upon over scoring 'icy cold' instead. "That is how you should think about them, cats, easily amused, easily bored and all too willing to scratch you to tatters if you tread on their tail."
So saying she reaches for her purse, much to yours and Harry's surprise. "What? I live in these narrow circles as well. I'd rather they did not get renovated into tentacles and mouths. Unless of course you do not want the company—" she trails off looking to you for an answer.
"Oh sure, you can come," you nod.
"I thought you said... Never mind," Harry sighs and and you hear something that sounds suspiciously like 'women' muttered under his breath, but you'll just ignore that.
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A holy knight, a former demon and one of the Elxalted meet mover hot chocolate in a Starbucks, you think pushing open the glass door into the mostly empty room filled with the echoes of a couple having an argument in the corner and a pair of middle-school kids trading Pokemon cards like they are hot goods, most the set up of a joke, save for no one knowing quite what the latter is, not even you.
For his part Dad is as surprised to see you in such company as you had been to hear the offer, but that does not stop him from pulling back a chair for her.
"Good day Sir Knight, I'll be serving as devil advocate today." It take you a moment to realize she'd dropped the 's' in that, just long enough to draw a snort of laughter, but it is clear you are not the intended audience. Your dad does not react at all, which seems to be the right reaction since Lash settles in her seat and takes a sip of her coffee, black, no cream or sugar.
Of the four names you have Dad only reacts to Ellawyn's, but that reaction is horror. The Knights as it turns out had worked with her many times before, sending Summer Changelings to orphanages and foster homes under her care when they could in exchange for her vassals patronizing not just those but halfway homes for people in challenging circumstances, from recovering addicts and to the formerly homeless. "Not a hint, nothing," he says, more to himself than to either of you. "Nothing was ever out of place. The children..."
"A rather poor infiltrator It would make if It could not play the part consistently," Lash points out, setting her cup down with a definitive clink. "Outsiders are not monsters baying for blood, they are sappers attempting to undermine the walls of the keep. If they should burn the thatch in the courtyard it is because they have some use for the flame, not because they find it enrapturing. So what purpose would such a one have when interacting with Summer's scions lost and found?"
"Indoctrination," you say instantly. "The Knight of the Stone Heart can only spread itself so thin, but if it has willing servants, dupes among the court its power grows."
"The last time I crossed paths with any in Ellawyn's vassals was up in British Columbia," dad explains. "an entire family was being terrorized by Rawheads, all of them scions of Summer though even the parents had not made their choice. The things were vicious, up there under the cover of the woods and the long polar night there was hardly any need to hide once they had cut communications. Both of the parents, Andy and Sofia, were attacked and left to die of the trauma, left for the children to find surrounded with occult and Satanic markings, tanunted and harried until they made it to the nearest church. The reason I was called it that in looked like something one of the Fallen might do."
"If Anduriel left one of the wild-eyed cretins off the leash maybe," Tiffany muttered, but dad keeps going.
"The older of the children, Katherine, tried to take her own life since she felt in her own words 'like a monster', either the Rawheads had spoken to her or some insight of her nature as a changeling. I tried to explain what I could but my time was short so once I killed both of the Rawheads I saw to it that both of them would find their way to the protection of the Summer court who could explain. She was deeply religious, her whole family was. I think that might have been why their parents choose to remain on the cusp of worlds for so long. I don't think they would have gone if both myself and the local priest didn't tell her that these were good people."
"Someone with a strong moral center that would carry over even beyond the Choice, with reasons to hate the Winter Court," you muse. "Certainly someone It would find useful, but there has to be more to it than that, the specifically faked Denarian activity to draw a response."
"Create attachment, use it against you later, use her as a contact with the Holy Order perhaps that seems less likely, the inquisition is untrusting of fey no matter how fair," Tiffany mutters. "Or they were just testing if they could fake signs of the Fallen well enough to draw a Knight and the girl was a bonus."
"A bonus..." At first you think dad was going to chastise her for being so cold about this, but his mind is elsewhere. "I felt something around the cabin, at the threshold, not fey glamor but faith entrusted with the care of the home. That's... I'd never encountered it so strongly in one of faerie blood."
"Maybe one of the parents figured out how to meld Faith and fae magic..." you pause as Dad gives you an odd look. "I can't think of any reason why it couldn't be done, they aren't antithetical to each other, more like orthogonal."
"Sure, not really the time for this, we are getting distracted." Dad sighs, laying his hands flat on the table. "If I say that I'm worried about Katherine, Josh and others like them the Summer Court court would grant me a hearing, though I am not sure if it would reach the Queen before it reaches the ears of the posessed. It would be best if we had some proof of foul play."
"Can't you just call her..." you trail off. "I guess that would be a serious breach of etiquette and might make her less inclined to listen."
What do you do next?
[] Go through normal Summer Court channels
The proper aporach, Titania will not be upset, may tip off He Who Walks Beside
[] Michael just calls Titania
She will be pissed at him and less inclined to listen to acusations against her vasals
[] Find and speak to Katherine
Try to find find signs of foul play that do not depend on your very secret powers of divination
OOC: Enjoy.
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Rolls
Tiffany willpower to come along and interact with a Knight of the Cross again
Ice-Breaker She stays -2 DC to Michael's DCs from having the most qualified of Devil's advocates to help
Michael Fey lore
Michael thinks through with the benefit of hindsight
Molly for mystical insights
Tiffany willpower to come along and interact with a Knight of the Cross again
Ice-Breaker She stays -2 DC to Michael's DCs from having the most qualified of Devil's advocates to help
Michael Fey lore
Michael thinks through with the benefit of hindsight
Molly for mystical insights
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