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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[x] Get in contact with Fix the Summer Knight about Nemesis, guide him into a confrontation in which it will reveal itself.
-[x] Using fairytale logic Lily should be included somehow.

[X] Excise Dresden's fairy godmother in return for her help in this matter.

[X] Ask Harry to contact his friend.

[X] Write in: Call in Micheal and ask Harry to contact his friend.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
This is her problem, not ours.
Let her solve it.
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Yeah, it's not like we live in the same reality or anything, or that Titania would come knocking to have answers if we do nothing but give her the splendor.

It is our problem, is what I mean.

Artemis1992 said:
Dunno, propably a power-struggle between her and Lily?

With the Summer Knight closer to Lily though, I doubt she can easily off her.
Coming after Molly is possible, but we don't exactly have to worry about regular hitsquads.

All in all I'm perfectly fine letting Lily roll the dice on this one.
We can't solve everyone's problems.

If it works, great for her.
If not, some infighting weakening the Summer Court wouldn't be a bad thing either.
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Did you miss the part where the quote said that it was about when Titania found that we did this?

It won't just be Lily rolling the die, we will too, we were told Titania would see us as a threat if she learned this partly due to our aura.


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uju32 said:
My understanding is that most of them were never mortals.
There are changelings who get to choose whether to become Fae or mortal, but most Fae have never been mortals or humans.
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Yet it has been shown multiple times that they were mortals at least as far as this quest is concerned, stop acting as if it wasn't the case.
 
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uju32 said:
My understanding is that most of them were never mortals.
There are changelings who get to choose whether to become Fae or mortal, but most Fae have never been mortals or humans.
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Where does that understanding come from? Do we have a quote from a single fey saying that they were never mortal? Do we not have many counter examples including both queens and ladies?
 
fictionfan said:
Thinking about it that way in terms of fairytale logic then Lilly has to be the one to solve the nemesis problem*. Then Titania comes to appreciate her as her own person and they all live happily ever after.
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Moreover, ideally she'll solve Nemesis problem with the help of her newly protected humanity.
fictionfan said:
[X] Excise Dresden's fairy godmother in return for her help in this matter.
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We can't do this without Mab's approval.

Actually.. @DragonParadox Leanansidhe is Dresden's godmonther. Does this give Dresden the right to petition us to exorcise Nemesis from her, as part of filial duties towards his godmother (does such exist?) under fae law? Thus avoiding Mab having to incur debt?
 
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Actually, I think, there's one more possible strategy here. We can contact Mother Summer and explain the situation to her. She is much less driven by emotions, probably because of old crone role. Dresden already has a relevant knowledge, so it won't be out of character.
 
Cavalar said:
Actually, I think, there's one more possible strategy here. We can contact Mother Summer and explain the situation to her. She is much less driven by emotions, probably because of old crone role.
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What in the world makes you think that? The fact that none of her hot buttons were triggered in her talk with Harry?
 
fictionfan said:
[x] Get in contact with Fix the Summer Knight about Nemesis, guide him into a confrontation in which it will reveal itself.
-[x] Using fairytale logic Lily should be included somehow.
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Nemesis doesnt operate on fairytale logic.
And will happily shank your ass, and those of people you care about if you make those kinds of assumptions.
fictionfan said:
[X] Excise Dresden's fairy godmother in return for her help in this matter.
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We dont get a say on the internal operations of Winter.
fictionfan said:
Where does that understanding come from? Do we have a quote from a single fey saying that they were never mortal? Do we not have many counter examples including both queens and ladies?
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I have provided quotes previously from both Mother Summer and Bob.

Cavalar said:
Actually, I think, there's one more possible strategy here. We can contact Mother Summer and explain the situation to her. She is much less driven by emotions, probably because of old crone role. Dresden already has a relevant knowledge, so it won't be out of character.
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When Aurora was trying to destabilize the world, neither Mother acted; they just gave Dresden an Unravelling, but neither took direct action. When Nemesis Nfested Maeve and both Mab and Maeve were trying to get the other killed, neither Mother acted. They just made sure Dresden knew the stakes involved and let him go.

There are limitations on how the Queens may act between each other that arent explicitly spelled out in canon.
I expect they apply here as well.
 
I think we are going about this all wrong. We are trying to develop a rational plan when dealing with what can be best modeled as raksha cosplaying chivalrous kingdom.

So, let's not do this. For a second, let's cast ourselves into their mindset. Who are we? At first glance, a hellknight, a demon from the pits seeking to advance their agenda. And first impressions are important. So... Let's recast the whole thing. For we are not a landless knight. We are an Empress of our own dread court.

[X] Look for an envoy in the City of Fountains. An artisan - perhaps one of the prior Exarhs? Someone to send as a messenger to the Court of Summer, to arrange for a formal meeting between the heads of the Fivefold Courts of Fate, and the Court of Summer.

Basically? Reframe the problem.
 
Yog said:
I think we are going about this all wrong. We are trying to develop a rational plan when dealing with what can be best modeled as raksha cosplaying chivalrous kingdom.

So, let's not do this. For a second, let's cast ourselves into their mindset. Who are we? At first glance, a hellknight, a demon from the pits seeking to advance their agenda. And first impressions are important. So... Let's recast the whole thing. For we are not a landless knight. We are an Empress of our own dread court.

[X] Look for an envoy in the City of Fountains. An artisan - perhaps one of the prior Exarhs? Someone to send as a messenger to the Court of Summer, to arrange for a formal meeting between the heads of the Fivefold Courts of Fate, and the Court of Summer.

Basically? Reframe the problem.
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I dont see how that helps.

We are not a signatory to the Accords.
Hell is known to the Fae; so is Yomi Wan. The Brass Courts are quite possibly unknown to the Fae. Your proposed envoy has no greater credentials than a hobo off the street. No bona fides whatsoever. And no knowledge of Fae etiquette.

All this appears to be doing is putting someone vulnerable out where hostiles can get at them.
 
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uju32 said:
I dont see how that helps.

We are not a signatory to the Accords.
Hell is known to the Fae; so is Yomi Wan. The Brass Courts are quite possibly unknown to the Fae.
Your proposed envoy has no greater credentials than a hobo off the street. No bona fides whatsoever.
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Ok, true. But the main idea stands, I think - we need to reframe the whole things. We can't obtain desired outcome (a good first impression on Titania) as we are - a knight of hell with cursed power burning upon our brow. I see several possibilities:
1) Forget Titania for a moment. Go after one of the Nfected. Restrain them and force exorcise on them. Then use that as a proof (call Titania to wtiness the results).
2) Somehow establish ourselves as a respectable figure
 
Yog said:
Ok, true. But the main idea stands, I think - we need to reframe the whole things. We can't obtain desired outcome (a good first impression on Titania) as we are - a knight of hell with cursed power burning upon our brow. I see several possibilities:
1) Forget Titania for a moment. Go after one of the Nfected. Restrain them and force exorcise on them. Then use that as a proof (call Titania to wtiness the results).
2) Somehow establish ourselves as a respectable figure
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We can do the whole chivalric romance schtick and issue a challenge to Fleeting Dawn on Deep Trods or Lord Sathar. It's pretty established thing for the unknown knight to gather fame this way.
 
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Yog said:
Ok, true. But the main idea stands, I think - we need to reframe the whole things. We can't obtain desired outcome (a good first impression on Titania) as we are - a knight of hell with cursed power burning upon our brow. I see several possibilities:
1) Forget Titania for a moment. Go after one of the Nfected. Restrain them and force exorcise on them. Then use that as a proof (call Titania to wtiness the results).
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That seems to me to be playing into the hands of the Enemy of All.

How many Summer Fae do you think we'll have to kill in the process to get at the possessed person.
Do you think we have the power to beat such a person without killing them? Do recall that as far as everyone else knows, they are people in good standing with the Court. They come under attack by an archdevil, loyal Summer operatives will respond.

And Nemesis will happily sacrifice people to drive a permanent wedge between us and a major power.
This is precisely what we're trying to avoid by going straight to Titania.
Yog said:
2) Somehow establish ourselves as a respectable figure
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THIS is how we're establishing ourselves as a respectable figure who is interested in having the world not burn down around everyone's ears: By bringing this type of matter to the Court involved.
I dont think there are any shortcuts to credibility and respectability.

If we had Black Mirror, we might have been able to avoid the first impressions problem
But we dont.
Cavalar said:
We can do the whole chivalric romance schtick and issue a challenge to Fleeting Dawn on Deep Trods or Lord Sathar. It's pretty established thing for the unknown knight to gather fame this way
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They are Nfested.
They are under no obligations to operate under chivalric rules, and have every incentive to cheat in a way that creates problems for Molly and everyone else.

Nevermind the fact that giving them warning is highly contraindicated.
 
DragonParadox said:
Dresden does not know.
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Also worth noting that Lea is Mab's second in command. Obligations to her feudal lord come first.
And Mab herself has an obligation to Lea to act in her best interests while she is imprisoned; the fact that she hasnt actually availed herself of Molly suggests that she doesnt think its in her best interests yet.

Yog said:
Does Bob? Lash? Does Dresden have any books on fae law we could use as a crown focus?
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Fae law is not written down by the Fae that Im aware of
The Fae just know it.
 
Yog said:
Does Bob? Lash? Does Dresden have any books on fae law we could use as a crown focus?
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No I mean none of you know she's infected. Molly asked:

"Who are the people among the Winter Fey who the enemy of which this note speaks of has subverted."

And she got:

Aodh son of Luchtaine, who carved Shield and Haft, now crooked counsel crooked craft, Cathair First of the Rawheads, Meave, Mab's daughter, night-poisoned child of barren land and lightless hearth.

The reason you did not get Leah is that she was already bound at the time and thus not a danger.
 
Yog said:
Ok.

[X] Call on Maeve to attest (without disclosing that it concerns her specifically) that we can reliably identify and exorcise Nemesis to Titania
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fictionfan said:
We don't have that favor yet and I believe that going into fey debt is a terrible idea.
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Yeah, we shouldn't do it right now, but all of this is happening on the same turn. We could just leave the splendor in the FCF and do the Vegas trip, then finish off this action afterwards.

I'd prefer to say nothing, but we could technically tell Lily we have something in the works to give her hope. She should be able to keep a secret for a week.
 
OK, so...

Another thought - how about calling Titania and directly asking her what it would take for her to trust our word? How can we prove ourselves?
 
uju32 said:
Nemesis doesnt operate on fairytale logic.
And will happily shank your ass, and those of people you care about if you make those kinds of assumptions.
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We don't actually care what Nemesis thinks. The point of this exercise is Lily. Nemesis just happens to be a very convenient common enemy that we can use to impress the Summer court.

Points on the others I guess.
 
Is there any reason not give it to Lily with a keep it secret keep it safe. If that fails she can just say it was a gift, That was whipped up in a weekend that emphasizes our skill and makes it seem unimportant at least to us.
 
Yog said:
OK, so...

Another thought - how about calling Titania and directly asking her what it would take for her to trust our word? How can we prove ourselves?
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I think that we will have more luck, if we just burn the Crown question.
Dresden asked Titania directly in far more dire situation, he received nothing for his troubles.
 
fictionfan said:
We don't actually care what Nemesis thinks. The point of this exercise is Lily. Nemesis just happens to be a very convenient common enemy that we can use to impress the Summer court.

Points on the others I guess.
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We care about what it knows though, and what it does.

If it doesn't know that we're hunting it then we can potentially get them come in on some pretext so that we can save them.

Giving the game away will probably get them killed while inflicting whatever damage they can on Summer.
 
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