Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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If they didnt fail, there wouldnt be much of a series, would there?
In Grave Peril, the Nightmare grabbed Charity off the street during her pregnancy with Hank.
In Proven Guilty, Molly was kidnapped out of the Carpenter household. In Small Favor, a Summer Court hit team attacked Dresden and the Carpenter family when they were playing in the snow in the Carpenter backyard.
In Skin Game, Nicky's minions attacked the Carpenter home when Uriel was there, even if he was temporarily mortal.
In Battle Grounds, Ethniu sent a kill squad of near mortals to wipe out the Carpenter family.
Its not an absolute protection.
Its a lot better than most mortals get, but its very much not a guarantee of absolute safety. The requirements of mortal free will mean that it cannot be.
Point of correction:
A curse cant touch us directly. Shaping defense means we dont have to worry about bursting into flames or having a heart attack or having a roasted turkey impale us through the heart.
A curse can absolutely do something like sic a spirit or something similar on us.
Kinda is.
Oh sure. Against us.
It does nothing against the collateral damage of such a thing.
I think of it like our being on one branch of a tree; we can stop anything coming up that one branch where Molly is standing, but the other branches are probably beyond her.
She would need to go down to the figurative tree roots to block it.
Heaven has Rules, and while Uriel et al are riding the opposition hard? They make no absolute guarantees.
The Carpenter home has a panic room and drills for a reason, and Charity keeps a shotgun at hand when her husband is away.
When Ethniu tried to have Maggie Dresden and the Carpenters killed, she knew the rules well enough to finesse them, and it was up to Molly taking preemptive action that kept them alive and safe.
Heaven would absolutely do that.
In fact, Heaven did do that; see Father Douglas buckling Alicia into a bomb vest in order to try to get Dresden to hand over Amoracchius and Fidelacchius. Had nothing to do with the kid, or the Carpenters for that matter; Michael was officially retired.
Uriel (indirectly) looped in Dresden iirc, but he took no other direct action.
That whole pesky free will thing.
Up to Two dots.
Wait, wasn't that Michael's mother? In any case that is what it is in this quest. I've had this in the background since we started the quest, not changing it now.
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In Death Masks, you mean.
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No, I meant Chapter 42 of Proven Guilty.
Your quote just shows that it wasn't a one time thing.Proven Guilty said:
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Yes, but it can't put a marker on us to help the spirit find us.
Outside of perfect defenses absolute protection doesn't exist and I feel like you are being unreasonable. Your argument to me sounds like "Fort Knocks is not perfectly secure and therefor we should take time and effort right now to try and secure it more" even though by your standards it can never be secure enough.
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My point was that claiming sympathetic magic can't be countered or blocked is wrong, because we know of multiple ways to do just that from canon.
Molly doesn't currently possess the skill for them, and trying to counter from range would be fairly novel, but you're playing up their strength a bit too much.
That was the result of a Mundane crazy who failed.
The Carpenters have that security stuff because of the whole god helps those who help themselves thing. They aren't the sort who expect god to hold their hands all day.
Even then, its worth noting how ridiculous it is that no assault on it has ever benefited the people to do so. That's so improbable it basically makes plot armor canon.
Actual Celestine level entities act as security in site, and follow them around out of the house. They aren't there on vacation.
At minimum Uriel is going to notice and send the knights after you for trying this shit.
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Underlined are the errors in order of reading:
Grandma, Grandpa, Uncle Pete not Grandma Grandpa Uncle Pete
is, what's not is what's
doubled up word
clubs, everything not clubs everything
rebel, try not rebel try
time, Alexandra, not time Alexandra,
her last name or her name, last name not her name last name
swords, not not swords not
from, even not from even
Her voice had not Her had
the not he
think she not thinks he since this is still Charity's mother that is being talked about
schedule not scheduale
doubled up words
of not to
is not he
papers not paper
remember, though not remember though
Also my vote this time is:
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
Because that makes the most sense for now.
Edit: I'll get to the whole discussion that I started off in the previous chapter tomorrow. I'm not in the mood to argue about stuff before I go to bed. Especially after what I just watched today. Feels like I ate stinking nightshade.
Grandma, Grandpa, Uncle Pete not Grandma Grandpa Uncle Pete
is, what's not is what's
doubled up word
clubs, everything not clubs everything
rebel, try not rebel try
time, Alexandra, not time Alexandra,
her last name or her name, last name not her name last name
swords, not not swords not
from, even not from even
Her voice had not Her had
the not he
think she not thinks he since this is still Charity's mother that is being talked about
schedule not scheduale
doubled up words
of not to
is not he
papers not paper
remember, though not remember though
Also my vote this time is:
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
Because that makes the most sense for now.
Edit: I'll get to the whole discussion that I started off in the previous chapter tomorrow. I'm not in the mood to argue about stuff before I go to bed. Especially after what I just watched today. Feels like I ate stinking nightshade.
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[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
Charity was the one who suffered any harm, and she just spoke in their defense. That's enough on its own for me to say no to writing them off without an actual face to face meeting. Plus, Molly has rather firmly shown herself to be in favor of giving people second chances.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
Charity was the one who suffered any harm, and she just spoke in their defense. That's enough on its own for me to say no to writing them off without an actual face to face meeting. Plus, Molly has rather firmly shown herself to be in favor of giving people second chances.
Looking at the vote so far, the nos are winning but there are more votes for some kind of contact. I will say that as things stand at the moment all these votes are distinct enough to count separately so you guys might want to consider consolidation if you are more interested in keeping in contact as opposed to how you get it.
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[X] No, they don't deserve to be part of your family after what they did to Mom
Tiebreaking is more important than contact.
Tiebreaking is more important than contact.
I'm willing to consolidate, but I think including a clause for doing our homework first then reevaluating would be ideal.
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
I am curious, see really no reasons not to go at least see them.
I do agree with those pointing out that there is a possibility of Molly having a family member going through awakening the gift, and that us being there would be a good thing for them.
I would have approval voted anyway, but the current situation means I have no doubts on doing it, no winning just because yes couldn't agree on how to do it is not something I want to see.
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
I am curious, see really no reasons not to go at least see them.
I do agree with those pointing out that there is a possibility of Molly having a family member going through awakening the gift, and that us being there would be a good thing for them.
I would have approval voted anyway, but the current situation means I have no doubts on doing it, no winning just because yes couldn't agree on how to do it is not something I want to see.
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[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
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- Right Where I Am
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
As long as we don't just write them off, I'm willing to accept the details of the other approaches.
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
As long as we don't just write them off, I'm willing to accept the details of the other approaches.
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
Only tangentially related, but the Harvard stuff had me thinking about university stuff.
It'd be very interesting to nab some anthropologists from a major university if we can swing it. The type that do embedded work to study the shape of human culture.
They're the specialized in exactly the sort of stuff that would help the FCF and earth understand each other.
It'd also just be funny to do something like embed them with our equivalent of their department. Just imagine academics studying academics who are there to study academics.
The tricky part would be finding people who wouldn't explode at the thought of not being able to immediately publish.
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
Only tangentially related, but the Harvard stuff had me thinking about university stuff.
It'd be very interesting to nab some anthropologists from a major university if we can swing it. The type that do embedded work to study the shape of human culture.
They're the specialized in exactly the sort of stuff that would help the FCF and earth understand each other.
It'd also just be funny to do something like embed them with our equivalent of their department. Just imagine academics studying academics who are there to study academics.
The tricky part would be finding people who wouldn't explode at the thought of not being able to immediately publish.
To be fair, dropping in on them without prep could get us into drama we don't really need or want. I'd rather risk that than ignore them, but we can and should check first. If Molly's maternal grandparents are still assholes there's no reason to subject ourselves to them instead of just skipping to the rest of the family.
Or "just" mundane abuse. If Charity has a niece or nephew going through what she did minus the magic powers I think it'd be IC for Molly to try helping them.
I mean they can publish, just not on Earth, that is fine right?
[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
I firmly believe that we should at least look at them, for the following reasons:
1) It's only fair, and I don't want to be a hypocrite. Molly, under our guidance, went out of her way to repair her relationship with Charity, instead of moving out. These people deserve at least a try rather than a curt dismissal. From the looks of it, by objective measures, they might not have been worse than Charity herself, if differently bad
2) Continuing on, Charity tried contacting them, but couldn't bring herself to do it. Doing so is likely to be needed as part of her mental healing, which is both long overdue, and important
3) It's a matter of security for us and our family - it's way too easy to trace Charity's ancestry and use magic that way. And Molly is way too important already for someone not to look into that.
4) Charity might not have remained the only child, even if that's unlikely, and any siblings (aunts and uncles and such) might have a gift, which we can help with.
[X] Use a mix of cyber devils and crown questions (via pictures from the internet) to get a better view of the status of Charity's extended family and what happened to her parents after she ran away.
[X] If you do end up going to Harvard you might look them up then. For now... you're not going to go out of your way to meet the people who barely family even to their own daughter.
I firmly believe that we should at least look at them, for the following reasons:
1) It's only fair, and I don't want to be a hypocrite. Molly, under our guidance, went out of her way to repair her relationship with Charity, instead of moving out. These people deserve at least a try rather than a curt dismissal. From the looks of it, by objective measures, they might not have been worse than Charity herself, if differently bad
2) Continuing on, Charity tried contacting them, but couldn't bring herself to do it. Doing so is likely to be needed as part of her mental healing, which is both long overdue, and important
3) It's a matter of security for us and our family - it's way too easy to trace Charity's ancestry and use magic that way. And Molly is way too important already for someone not to look into that.
4) Charity might not have remained the only child, even if that's unlikely, and any siblings (aunts and uncles and such) might have a gift, which we can help with.
We should consider what Molly is going to study in general. Political science? Some manner of STEM (engineering?)? History / psychology / anthropology?Only tangentially related, but the Harvard stuff had me thinking about university stuff.
It'd be very interesting to nab some anthropologists from a major university if we can swing it. The type that do embedded work to study the shape of human culture.
They're the specialized in exactly the sort of stuff that would help the FCF and earth understand each other.
It'd also just be funny to do something like embed them with our equivalent of their department. Just imagine academics studying academics who are there to study academics.
The tricky part would be finding people who wouldn't explode at the thought of not being able to immediately publish.
But yes, one of the reasons I think we should go to Harvard is that it gives us access to Earthside recruits from both the faculty and students. Joining a sorority and setting it up to filter a never-ending stream of new talented teens to subvert seems like a grand idea.
*Seen above* Not a terrifying conspiracy
Seriously though, you guys might want to talk to the Library before you brought any people at Harvard to the alien planet, that sounds like the kind of place they may have ears.
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[X] Yes, they are family and like Mom said there are worse out there, some of which you have spoken to and allied