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[X] Plan Grand Caster Says no to Harems
We can still date later
We can still date later
The God Diversion
- Thread starter Birdsie
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Is it wrong that I feel what Damien is pulling off is supremely awesome? Like, he's going all-in, no questions asked.
Kinda reminds me of Kairos the Tyrant from PGtE. The most stereotypical tyrant-king, all ham, damn the world, while plotting on a level that leaves others stunned and juggling multiple Villain Balls in a way that still leaves him on top.
Granted, D is not there yet, but he very well could, from what is told.
WHISPER
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Harems are a horrible trope that should always be avoided if possible.
(Unless they fit the setting and time period and even then...)
Rihaku
The Internet
Oh, that reminds me - @Birdsie , if advancing the curriculum doesn't impact Remedials at all, do Sol and the Educator think there's any consistent way of training the Architecture beside Remedials? We had that option in Pangothica but it was highly SC-inefficient. Could Sol do something similar in Fortuna? Or would simply exercising Connections and using his Architectural influence count as practical training?
Ideally we can find something which is to Remedials what our leyline absorption was to Roles.
Ideally we can find something which is to Remedials what our leyline absorption was to Roles.
Birdsie
Sharp Talons Cleave The Worthy
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- Poland
It does, albeit more slowly! A lot of Architectural stuff relies on theory.
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[X] Plan Grand Caster
Rihaku
The Internet
One more thing I'd like to note, since Full Disclosure seems to be the more popular route: Full Disclosure puts Sol in the limelight and grants him 'a lot of power-seeking friends.' Considering what the Tower and her lackey did when Sol merely got honey candies, failing to assert control of Sol's romantic destiny could see it taken from him.
Sol is a horny teenager and according to Discord info would date almost any of the girls in his class if the relationship just fell into his lap; to avoid the Enrolled equivalent of a gold-digger we may have to steal a march on them.
In this regard dating or even 'dating' Penny would suffice to deter their attentions. If you guys would prefer to delay or simply not deal with this, then don't take Full Disclosure. I will update Throne Shadow to have Sol talk to Penny about Damien and the Apostles since that seems far more popular than the extra Remedial here (but I dislike skipping Remedials this often, ideally classmates will get screentime via Exploration or events which don't consume an action slot like Samantha. Then we can at least get 2 Remedials a month...).
Interesting. Is there a way to get a quantitative marker for Sol's Remedial progress so that we can plan for higher Connections levels? For example, can Sol currently get Connections to any level above 9?
Sol is a horny teenager and according to Discord info would date almost any of the girls in his class if the relationship just fell into his lap; to avoid the Enrolled equivalent of a gold-digger we may have to steal a march on them.
In this regard dating or even 'dating' Penny would suffice to deter their attentions. If you guys would prefer to delay or simply not deal with this, then don't take Full Disclosure. I will update Throne Shadow to have Sol talk to Penny about Damien and the Apostles since that seems far more popular than the extra Remedial here (but I dislike skipping Remedials this often, ideally classmates will get screentime via Exploration or events which don't consume an action slot like Samantha. Then we can at least get 2 Remedials a month...).
Interesting. Is there a way to get a quantitative marker for Sol's Remedial progress so that we can plan for higher Connections levels? For example, can Sol currently get Connections to any level above 9?
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I don't think this is a realistic concern. What Birdsie said was:
(Emphasis mine)
If they're just in it for his Aspect Levels, wouldn't he expect it to end badly? Unless he's just fine with being gold-dug, in which case he's just fine with being gold-dug.
He 'would date almost any of them' if he thought it would go well, which is not the same thing as being easy to seduce maliciously.
[X] Plan Grand Caster Says no to Harems
Rihaku
The Internet
Given his reaction to Grace and Stella earlier, he may well be fine with being gold-dug, but does that mean we're fine with it - or with spending Will to fend off such maneuvering? Despair!Sol also doesn't care about reaching his full potential or surpassing Meta, but many players clearly do. I'd much rather head off the risk than be forced to clean up after the fact.
The honey candy incident makes it clear that people will move to exploit Sol if he demonstrates valuable assets, and Sol is not particularly inclined to spend effort defending himself. It certainly seems possible that, given Full Disclosure, Sol may end up passively acquiescing to a relationship he doesn't mind, but we very much do, and which would not be as healthy for him as with a less exploitative partner.
No, this reframe loses a lot of nuance. Let's just accept Birdsie's original words: if he didn't think it would end calamitously, he'd 'settle for anything.' This implies a far greater degree of motivation (or desperation) than your optimistic reframing.
I'm all for Role synergies and meeting the rest of the cast.. But I wish they just did a nice class activity together than jump to a date this early.
Like, it would have been great if Chloe was invited to put the similar aspects for a spin for a proposed explorer project or something. And then them getting to know each other that way and letting things proceed in their pace organically throughout the story.
But narratively this has a very poor timing of looking like the unassuming protagonist powering up and suddenly sweeping women off their feet. Which is a very tired, tired trope. I am going to trust Birdsie to handle this tastefully and subvert it off. Maybe focusing more on the other aspects of the vote. Like the serious conversation with Penny and meeting Samantha.
Like, it would have been great if Chloe was invited to put the similar aspects for a spin for a proposed explorer project or something. And then them getting to know each other that way and letting things proceed in their pace organically throughout the story.
But narratively this has a very poor timing of looking like the unassuming protagonist powering up and suddenly sweeping women off their feet. Which is a very tired, tired trope. I am going to trust Birdsie to handle this tastefully and subvert it off. Maybe focusing more on the other aspects of the vote. Like the serious conversation with Penny and meeting Samantha.
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WHISPER
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Im not sure I like this "Sol is as desparate for a pair or panties as a henthai protagonist" (exaggerated of course) interpretation...
I guess the idea makes kind of sense considering that Sol would be a normal teen without his powers but must he be so desprate that he would take ANY Gold Dinger or toxic Gf to the point of no control for the players?
See i would like for Sol to at least have some dignity even considering his situation.
I guess the idea makes kind of sense considering that Sol would be a normal teen without his powers but must he be so desprate that he would take ANY Gold Dinger or toxic Gf to the point of no control for the players?
See i would like for Sol to at least have some dignity even considering his situation.
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GildedSergeant
Tarnished Gold and Rattling Bones
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I'd like to start exploring socials with our classmates including both friends and romance options, but I'm not sure I wanna jump straight to a date. Sure, it's just a singular casual date, but the timing is odd and we've hardly ever talked to her before. It'd be pretty rough if she rejected us bc she thought it was weird her friend tried to set her up with someone she doesn't know at his behest. What I would love to vote for, is just asking Penny for an introduction, maybe via a mutual hangout. That way we can get a foot in the door as well as a measure of her vibe to see if we're actually interested in her and see where it goes from there.
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Remember that the actions in the plan will happen over the course of the month. Sol will probably have plenty of time to adjust to his new power levels and reputation. I presume that unless the questers loudly and blatantly call for such course of action Birdsie will make sure the relationship will develop organically in-story.
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That too... like I'll be honest I never had a date or a romance yet/before but isn't asking for a date as the first meeting pretty strange?
I know there are people who get to know eachother like that but in these cases both the man and the women wanted a romantic Partner im the first place.
I personally think we should never start a relationship with a vote that speficly has the goal of romance in it, we should just get to know them in a friend like context and let it go from there.
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I'm pretty sure that's what @Rihaku meant with proposing that option. Might be a good idea to clarify, though.
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Just gonna note this isn't an introduction we've had class with these people for a year at least.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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Honestly, I think the biggest factor in why I'm steadily increasingly in favor of the romance vote, is that we just took a plan to artificially inflate Sol's Will via Cups Devotion amplifying emotions. Romantic interest is an emotion that is probably being amplified or at least noticed more. The Cups suit is also associated with romance.
So, here's the thing Whisper [EDIT: and a bunch of other people I see]. The entire point of dating is to get to know another person. That's literally why it exists, otherwise people would jump straight to marriage. Saying we should "get to know a person" before dating them is redundant, and treats dating as a much more permanent and serious arrangement than it actually is. Dating is, at its core, about spending time with a person while making it clear that you may be interested in intimacy at some point. Early stage dating is nearly identical to early stage friendship, just with some extra physical touching usually, and you're assigning a lot of meaning that isn't actually there to the early, feeling a person out stages.
It's very common to enter a relationship with no idea if it will work out or not, and that's OK. That's why we have dating as a process. If it isn't a good fit, the people just stop dating. And asking for a date as the first meeting is not, in fact, very strange at all. It happens frequently out in society where we internet lurkers do not go. EDIT: and this isn't actually the first meeting between Sol and any of his classmates, either.
So, here's the thing Whisper [EDIT: and a bunch of other people I see]. The entire point of dating is to get to know another person. That's literally why it exists, otherwise people would jump straight to marriage. Saying we should "get to know a person" before dating them is redundant, and treats dating as a much more permanent and serious arrangement than it actually is. Dating is, at its core, about spending time with a person while making it clear that you may be interested in intimacy at some point. Early stage dating is nearly identical to early stage friendship, just with some extra physical touching usually, and you're assigning a lot of meaning that isn't actually there to the early, feeling a person out stages.
It's very common to enter a relationship with no idea if it will work out or not, and that's OK. That's why we have dating as a process. If it isn't a good fit, the people just stop dating. And asking for a date as the first meeting is not, in fact, very strange at all. It happens frequently out in society where we internet lurkers do not go. EDIT: and this isn't actually the first meeting between Sol and any of his classmates, either.
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WHISPER
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Yes if you already know that you want to actually be in a relationship with that person in the future (potentially), there is a step between friendship and marriage and that is dating.. like the point is that people don't date to get to know eachother people date to become a pair while they get to know eachother better in a way only (mostly) people in love do first you actually need to want to be with the other person which is easiest if you are already friends with them in first place.
All I want is for Sol (and us) to actually get to know her deeper first before the steps to the next steps.
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ImperatorV
The Laughing One
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The idea that you have to become friends with a person for some period of time before dating is ridiculous. I've never known anyone IRL who believes that. Some people might want to go to a group event one or two times with the person first, but most people I've interacted with are fine with jumping straight to dating if both parties have some level of interest in each other. My brother more than once started dating a girl after only a single major interaction. I'm not sure where this idea of "friendship is required before you can date" comes from, unless it's a cultural difference.
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Im not saying you HAVE to be friends first but friendship is a good way for both to have that Interest.
Like to we even know if Chloe right now is even fine with being with Sol in any potentialy romantic situation? That's my main point is she fine with the idea of showing that potential interest for Sol from just knowing him as a classmate and loner for most of their school life instead of just purely getting to know him with no future implaction of possibility going futher for now?
You said it yourself, so do both have that interest in eachother as a general question?
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GildedSergeant
Tarnished Gold and Rattling Bones
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I don't care whether or not we befriend her (or anyone else) first, I just think we have at least a single conversation with her before sending a 3rd party to ask her out for us. We could at least ask her ourselves