Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

It's probably because of the extra one. The vote counter is a bit sus, sometimes. You're welcome to write it in, but I think you should make up a task name for it.

The extra [x] are definitely wrong.
It's because you didn't repeat your Lulu and Ami votes when you wrote the hug write-in. The vote counter interprets that as you changing your mind and deciding not to vote on those categories.
Ah, well in that case...

[X][Lulu] Write-in - Catch up with Lulu and, while chatting about what each other has been up to, try to figure out whether Lulu herself appears to be dealing with any problems of her own. If she doesn't seem to have anything going on, ask her if she knows anything about evil psychic research groups that may have connections with governments, especially the Japanese government.
[X][Ami] Write-in - A cross-shaped hairclip that changes color, shape or both whenever someone - including a Chara - taps it.
[X][More Hugs] Write in - Cuddle Ami again and tell her how happy you are at what she did for you. Again. And then give her one more squeeze, just for good measure.


...which is why I decided to portray her without straight hair. This is the level of over-analysis I tend to go to, more or less everywhere.
......Looking at the hairstyle her Chara sports, I'd actually dare say the portrayal didn't add enough curls.

Since, if Nana is any indication, her ideal look would actually be.... royal drill hair ringlets. Ojou-style.
 
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......Looking at the hairstyle her Chara sports, I'd actually dare say the portrayal didn't add enough curls.

Since, if Nana is any indication, her ideal look would actually be.... royal drill hair ringlets. Ojou-style.
Lulu's relationship with her chara is a bit unusual, so she was actually going against various aspects of it. It's kind of surprising she could do so to such an extent and have it still persist really, but I guess internally she wasn't really as sure about her choices as she made out.
 
......Looking at the hairstyle her Chara sports, I'd actually dare say the portrayal didn't add enough curls.
If she were to chara transform with Nana, yeah, that might happen. It's less likely for Lulu than the others, because... well, like Quickshot said. She's got better control over the process than anyone else I could name. The picture from earlier is what Lulu chose for herself, however.

Meanwhile, version 3 of my Shugo Chara LoRA seems to be doing decently well.


...look, I assure you, her eyes are supposed to look that way. Mostly.

(The actually interesting aspect here is the style transfer. If it can handle this one, it should work fine with anything besides photographic… usually that hasn't worked before. Might come in handy later.)
 
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[ ][Ami] A piece of fog in the shape of a sea shell
  • It is, unaccountably, solid. You can hear worried whispers when you hold it.

[ ][Ami] A moveable rainbow
  • You can stick it in the corner of your room, and it'll stay there.

[ ][Ami] A liquid shadow that forms a pool, much deeper than the half a millimetre it should be
  • Feels oddly like home.

[ ][Ami] A shard of moonlight
  • It's sharp, and looks deadly, but something keeps it from being sharp enough to cut.
Just based on these options, what the hell did Ami do?!

Not sure how I feel about the Lulu write in. Gonna think when I got more time.
 
Just based on these options, what the hell did Ami do?!
Delved into the Collective Unconscious and grabbed some random stuff that looked pretty. The Collective Unconscious is not necessarily a happy place.

[X][Ami] A moveable rainbow
[X][Ami] A shard of moonlight

These two are the prettiest options IMO

[X][Lulu] Call her up, talk about your life, don't say anything specific.
 
Not sure how I feel about the Lulu write in. Gonna think when I got more time.
The existing choices were basically 3 variations on how much effort Amu puts in on withholding details. I thought it was a little bit odd there wasn't actually any choice to actually let slip any details directly.

Since we now know that Lulu is going to do something no matter what Amu tells her, the way I see it is that the question now is really one of how much you want to try to delay her involvement, rather than whether she becomes involved at all.

If Amu doesn't tell her anything, Lulu might take a bit longer. She'd need to spend time finding out the details, if not from more chats with Amu then by going around asking other people who Amu may not know about and neither Amu nor we will know what Lulu finds out from them and won't have any clue what to expect, until she makes her move.

If Amu does tell her something, it would bring her into it faster but we also get to "slant her narrative" (as Baughn put it) and potentially get a hint on when and in what form any attempted assistance might come.

In my mind, the biggest drawback of the latter option is that, if somebody were wiretapping Amu's house or Lulu's phone and/or there's a mind-reader who breaks into Amu's mind later down the road, they will find out Lulu knows too. Which could potentially take the edge off any help Lulu might bring. And yes, I acknowledge that's a paranoid assumption (and wouldn't base a vote on it) but then again, there is a government conspiracy and psychic killers involved.

Meanwhile, the biggest potential drawback I see from the former is worse. The way I see it, it carries the risk that whatever other information Lulu gets, it makes her throw in with the people Kana are running from and believe she's helping Amu by doing so.

Before anybody objects over how poor Lulu's judgment would need to be for that to happen, I'd like to remind people that we don't actually have a lot of information on either the conspiracy or Kana's group. Consider my previous paranoid speculation that the conspiracy are actually JPs -- the secret government organization who are nominally the good guys in Devil Survivor 2. It doesn't actually have to be JPs specifically, just a scenario where the conspiracy are actually mostly good people and the ones responsible for Kana's group were a few bad eggs who covered it up, causing the rest (including whoever spoke to Lulu) to legitimately think Kana's group are psychopathic killers rather than victims.

And even if the whole conspiracy is rotten, what they say about Kana's group could still be mostly right. For all we know at the moment, it could be that Kana and Naomi are some of the few sane ones in their group while the leadership are full-blown psychos, and it's Amu's current perspective on the situation that is flawed.

These are rectifiable misunderstandings, but could cause a huge headache depending on exactly how Lulu tries to help before it gets sorted out.

Or at least, that's my take on it. There may certainly be other pros and cons for either route that I'm not seeing.
 
And even if the whole conspiracy is rotten, what they say about Kana's group could still be mostly right. For all we know at the moment, it could be that Kana and Naomi are some of the few sane ones in their group while the leadership are full-blown psychos, and it's Amu's current perspective on the situation that is flawed.
A reasonable thing to be paranoid about I guess. Though thinking about it, Akane is a rather strong telepath and apparently the only one in their group that is when one considers how things worked out with Amu. It's kind of hard to imagine Akane wouldn't be aware of anyone being completely psycho, really that seems like something that could only happen if they were secretly all incredibly good at blocking telepathy from seeing everything they are. And you know, no one knows about that, etc.

So overall this scenario doesn't seem very likely, because you'd need several more moving parts just to keep Akane from realizing it. As well as tricking her in to thinking everyone was at core ok still.

More likely I think would be if Akane's point of view is kind of biased and for others the others are worse then they seem from her perspective.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Baughn on Nov 2, 2023 at 11:08 PM, finished with 51 posts and 11 votes.
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    [X][Lulu] Call her up, talk about your life, don't say anything specific.
    [X][Lulu] Write-in - Catch up with Lulu and, while chatting about what each other has been up to, try to figure out whether Lulu herself appears to be dealing with any problems of her own. If she doesn't seem to have anything going on, ask her if she knows anything about evil psychic research groups that may have connections with governments, especially the Japanese government.
    [X][Lulu] Let her know that life is getting interesting again, without any specifics.
    [X][Lulu] Write-in - Catch up with Lulu and, while chatting about what each other have been up to, try to figure out whether Lulu herself appears to be dealing with any problems of her own. If she doesn't seem to have anything going on, ask her if she knows anything about evil psychic research groups that may have connections with governments, especially the Japanese government. Regardless of how the talk goes try and make this casual chatting (hopefully it'll be actually casual) a more regular thing. You are both friends after all.
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    [X][Ami] A shard of moonlight
    [X][Ami] A liquid shadow that forms a pool, much deeper than the half a millimetre it should be
    [X][Ami] Write-in - A cross-shaped hairclip that changes color, shape or both whenever someone - including a Chara - taps it.
    [X][Ami] A moveable rainbow
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    [X][More Hugs] Write in - Cuddle Ami again and tell her how happy you are at what she did for you. Again. And then give her one more squeeze, just for good measure.
 
That settles it then. Lulu gets to do her own detective work.

Incidentally, apart from the rainbow—which genuinely is just a pretty rainbow—all the other gift ideas were Persona references.
 
It's kind of hard to imagine Akane wouldn't be aware of anyone being completely psycho, really that seems like something that could only happen if they were secretly all incredibly good at blocking telepathy from seeing everything they are. And you know, no one knows about that, etc.
She very well might know and just not think too hard about it, because even if other people in the group obviously take a bit too much pleasure in cracking skulls, all the skulls they've cracked so far belong to people she doesn't care about and it's been putting food on the table and keeping a roof over her own head in the progress. Probably helps that Naomi keeps her away from the worst of it and likely stops anyone else from insisting that Kana gets her hands wet.

It's not like she's really had anywhere else to go until she met Amu either. So if the choice were between sleeping on the streets being hunted by the conspiracy solo, or sleeping in a warehouse guarded by a bunch of bloodthirsty psychos and someone who also cares enough to shield you from the psychos while being hunted, well, not hard to see which choice has more advantages.
Incidentally, apart from the rainbow—which genuinely is just a pretty rainbow—all the other gift ideas were Persona references.
I considered that might be the case based on how the seashell made of fog might've been a reference to TV world fog, I couldn't quite work out what the others might be, and one data point does not a trend make.
That settles it then. Lulu gets to do her own detective work.
I guess there is the benefit that if Amu is making a mistake with the group, Lulu's independent research will allow her to correct Amu at a later stage (and act as potential unpredicted cavalry in the event that Amu gets in trouble with her mind compromised). All we can do is pray it doesn't come at the wrong place and time.

EDIT: Given how Lulu bears familial relation to Ikuto and Utau in this quest, I'd also guess her first port of call for the deets would be to ring up Utau. So there's a fair chance that anything Amu lets Utau in on, Lulu will probably get hold of eventually.
 
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She very well might know and just not think too hard about it, because even if other people in the group obviously take a bit too much pleasure in cracking skulls, all the skulls they've cracked so far belong to people she doesn't care about and it's been putting food on the table and keeping a roof over her own head in the progress. Probably helps that Naomi keeps her away from the worst of it and likely stops anyone else from insisting that Kana gets her hands wet.
We know from her own thoughts that Kana has killed at least one person before:
Akane nodded. She looked around the garage, her eyes lingering on the camera. A camera she'd stuck an illusion in front of. A guard was sitting under it, dead; she'd stopped his mind, and then stabbed his heart.
Beyond that, I get the impression that "the Scavengers" is, like, five people hiding in a warehouse somewhere, which just isn't enough people to support this kind of thing.
 
We know from her own thoughts that Kana has killed at least one person before:
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Beyond that, I get the impression that "the Scavengers" is, like, five people hiding in a warehouse somewhere, which just isn't enough people to support this kind of thing.
Well, yes, but we know that was done of her own volition and that Naomi would seemingly have preferred it if she didn't. For all we know, the rest would not only have egged her on, but gotten unhappy that Kana did it so quickly and cleanly.

Also, Strega was 3 people. The size of their group didn't stop them from running a questionably-successful contract killing/drug dealing operation. If Kana's group were 5 people, that's already more than Strega had.
Wait. The fog seashell made sense, but not P3 and the moon?
Sadly, no. Couldn't quite make that particular connection. As it turns out, being paranoid is not the same thing as being smart.
 
The simple solution might just be that the people are unhinged in some manner, almost definitely not full blown wear your skin level, but they're Akane's unhinged psychopaths so they get a pass. We let a lot of shit slide for loved ones.
 
It's not like she's really had anywhere else to go until she met Amu either. So if the choice were between sleeping on the streets being hunted by the conspiracy solo, or sleeping in a warehouse guarded by a bunch of bloodthirsty psychos and someone who also cares enough to shield you from the psychos while being hunted, well, not hard to see which choice has more advantages.
To be clear, this is all just on the speculation of yours that perhaps they're worse then they seem. Which of course we don't really have any evidence for.

My point was that based on Akane, this scenario was less likely as she'd probably notice. Of course as you point out there are ways to make it work otherwise, but as your example shows it needs several more working parts and thus is more complicated and less likely then the most likely answer. Which would then default to, Akane as a telepath probably does know more or less how her group is. And as pointed out she isn't as squeemish as you speculated, so she actually does have experience with such people and in the only example we have did not turn a blind eye.


As such, your speculative branch just isn't the best explanation for the group we have right now. It's an option to keep in the back of ones mind just in case, but most likely Akane would know how things are.
 
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To be clear, this is all just on the speculation of yours that perhaps they're worse then they seem.
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As such, your speculative branch just isn't the best explanation for the group we have right now. It's an option to keep in the back of ones mind just in case, but most likely Akane would know how things are.
Firstly, I didn't say she was squeemish, just that it could be easy for her to rationalize it away when the rest of her group indulges in it under the logic of necessity and her not being physically present for the nastiest stuff.

And secondly, yes, it's speculation, but so long as we don't have particular evidence either way, we also can't say whether or not it is the "best" or "worst" explanation. Only that it is an equal possibility, among others.

The fact that Kana herself impulsively killed a man in an apparent fit of rage, yet we can be considered lucky that she was the first one of the group we met really does not speak volumes to the mental stability of this group as a whole. I don't know what you think they seem like on the surface at the moment, but I have a feeling it's a different thing from what they seem like to me.

EDIT: To expand on what they seem like to me, when I initially called them a "Strega-analogue" the first time I commented on them, I wasn't just talking about the killing. Strega in P3 are junkies, sorta. The experiments that gave them their powers resulted in them needing a constant regimen of special drugs that had the nasty side effect of shortening their lifespan and suggested to affect their mental stability.

We know that drugs are involved somehow in whatever this group is mixed up in and as it is hinted to be "something that Naomi needed", it's quite possibly in a same way to Strega - the experimentation has made them reliant on it. While we don't know whether they also come with all the side effects, if they are meant to parallel Strega.... well.
 
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"all kids have an egg in their soul, the egg of our hearts, our would-be selves, yet-unseen". Or so goes the opening narration at the start of every episode in the first anime season. Most people can't see and don't know about the eggs; the ability to see them is mostly seen in children. In certain individuals, the egg gets to pop out and hatch into chibi pixie-like things called Charas. Seemingly usually triggered by identity issues or strong yearning to change in some way. For those who are depressed and feeling negative (or who are artifically incited into it), the egg pops out as a black X-Egg that either flies around as an egg emitting destructive energy, or hatches into an X-Character that is even more destructive than in egg form.

Rise: What the heck are these things?
Morgana: Too many spikes and fangs for my taste!

Other way around actually. First Magical Girl manga was Sailor Moon, and the manga version is basically straight out cosmic horror with a mix of Fae narrative powers.

Card Captor Sakura followed and popularized the light hearted version.
I had no idea CCS was that far ahead of its time!
 
And secondly, yes, it's speculation, but so long as we don't have particular evidence either way, we also can't say whether or not it is the "best" or "worst" explanation. Only that it is an equal possibility, among others.
I do agree it's an option, I did so last post as well. It's just that as I noted there, I consider this in the some what lower likelihood category with the data we have right now.

To expand on what they seem like to me, when I initially called them a "Strega-analogue" the first time I commented on them, I wasn't just talking about the killing.
I'm not sure Strega would be the best analogue, the author when talking about the group referenced a group from the Index/Railgun universe. Who admittedly aren't necessarily always the nicest and certainly can and would kill people, but certainly aren't things like junkies either.

Admittedly Naomi does indicate some need for drugs, though I think the author hinted that it was more towards the curative side of things... I don't recall for sure anymore though. But obviously Akane herself doesn't need any such drugs, at least so far we can tell. And currently no hint has been given of Akane being some kind of exception in the group.


As such, as noted the last time. While I agree this is an option to keep in ones back mind, I don't think it is the most likely explanation at this point of time. And focusing to much on a pessimal interpretation would also make one less able to react adequately to alternate options for the group, like if it is more or less as portrayed by Akane. So I do hope we don't get stuck to much debating which particular option is most likely here.
 
I'm not sure Strega would be the best analogue, the author when talking about the group referenced a group from the Index/Railgun universe. Who admittedly aren't necessarily always the nicest and certainly can and would kill people, but certainly aren't things like junkies either.
I agree that it's best not to assume the worst.

A more modest interpretation with what little we know so far is that the other members would just be highly distrustful of anybody else with powers and quick to lash out at a perceived threat, but not necessarily violently unstable and the only reason why Kana was the best to meet first is because she's just more trusting and wears her heart on her sleeve and the only one who would immediately befriend Amu.

That is what I would conclude, if I were assuming Kana and Naomi were fully representative of the other members, of which we know nothing about (except that one is named Aoi).

In absence of any other leader figures currently mentioned, I might even be inclined to believe that it's Naomi herself in charge of the whole group, meaning it mightn't even matter whether there really are any resident psychos in the bunch because as long as we're all good with Naomi, she can be trusted to keep everyone else on a leash. But again, that all depends entirely on the other unknown members.

With all that said, I'm not sure ITEM being the parallel rather than Strega makes it all that much better.

They aren't junkies, no, at least in the sense that they're not strictly reliant on a drug regimen to keep functioning (though one of them does use combat drugs to boost their powers). But in Raildex, Espers are apparently made by subjecting someone to a combination of hypnosis, drugs and conditioning in order to literally alter their brains enough that they are able to use psychic powers. While it has also been a while since I've seen anything Raildex, I could swear it was mentioned somewhere that the reason why Misaka was the poster child for Academy City was mainly because all the rest of the Level 5s (including Mugino, the leader of ITEM) came out mentally unstable, with Misaka being the sole one sane enough to be seen as a success.
 
While it has also been a while since I've seen anything Raildex, I could swear it was mentioned somewhere that the reason why Misaka was the poster child for Academy City was mainly because all the rest of the Level 5s (including Mugino, the leader of ITEM) came out mentally unstable, with Misaka being the sole one sane enough to be seen as a success.
Shokuhou is reasonably sane, and a remarkably nice girl considering who she is, and her past. Admittedly I may be biased from reading A Certain Mental Isekai, (which is great, you should read it), but I'm taking some cues from her for Kana's case.

I wouldn't draw the analogy too far, though. These guys are definitely not ITEM, and someone pointed out they actually act more like, er, Scavenger. Hence the name, but they aren't expys, really.
 
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