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Empress_Boog said:
I agree, big fan of the tapering being more pronounced in the new version.

The strips appear to be a design choice? But, considering you can only find them (on ships we have made so far,) on the Ambassador, they might be something that is put on capital ships of the Federation. So now I'm not even sure, @Sayle can we have some confirmation either way?
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You can find phaser strips on all post-Ambassador ships, including the Ushaan, Endeavour, and Sovereign. They're just mostly long circles rather than easily identifiable strips, so they might be missed as being part of the hull geometry.

But yes, the orange, oval strips on the nacelles are phasers.
 
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But yes, the orange, oval strips on the nacelles are phasers.
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May as well, we're already routing so much power to the engines that splicing a EPS conduit to a phaser array on the nacelle struts wouldn't be a big deal, and would cover the traditional blind spots that Starfleet ships haven't really suffered since the phaser array's advent...

Also, the experimental nacelles look amazing; thank you for drawing it up!!!


I sure hope Geordi and Brex are up to the task of taming these wild beasts we're building... so many wild prototypes...
 
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2371: Project Sovereign (Tactical: Part One)
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    • [X] Type-9B Engine (Prototype)

    Essentially upgrading the Type-9 isn't as easy as it looks - the Galaxy-class engine was a behemoth in its time and performed extremely well for what it was asked to do. But all the components are off the shelf for one thing or another, and it's just a matter of making them all play well together. Hopefully the yards are up for the task, because you're on to some of the most important parts of the design.

    The Type-7 shield grid is the latest and greatest out of Starfleet Tactical, representing a new leap forward in graviton density and emission rates from the older Type-6 that could be found on the Galaxy-class and similar ships. Although output has always been tied to power output in some respects, there is also a hard limit of how closely you can squeeze the shield emitters before they start interfering with each other and the power-flow capacity of the individual components. It's the obvious choice to make for the Sovereign.

    However, Starfleet has been chasing after the possibility of regenerative shield technology for some time, but the efforts received a major increase in attention after the Borg attack. The idea is that instead of being left with a slowly depleting shield strength over the length of an engagement, regenerative shields will allow the defences to repair themselves over time. The longer the battle, the more shields can be extended beyond their usual, non-regenerative lifespan. Whether it performs as effectively as advertised is an open question.

    But that isn't all: the Type-8 emitters boast that function as well as the field control to draw the shield bubble down towards the hull of the ship, forming a second skin around the vessel. By decreasing the surface area of the shield while maintaining emitter strength the overall effect can be improved by ten to twenty percent over the classical bubble. But it's highly experimental technology, potentially with unknown flaws that have yet to be discovered.


    [ ] Type-7 Shields
    [ ] Type-7 Regenerative (Prototype)
    [ ] Type-8 Conformal (Prototype) (Experimental)



    Two Hour Moratorium, Please
     
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    • Let's not go too off the wall with this. The Type 7 Regenerative will be fine for our needs here.

    Also the internals show how much of a beast this ship is. 6 of the larger antimatter containment pods, a fleet of shuttles, four torp launchers.
     
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    Regenerating sounds best to me, if it works you're likely to see it basically being as good as the conformal ones for how long the shields stay up.

    That and I can see plenty of situations they could have a flat out advantage.
     
    God. Fuck. You have no idea how much I want to pick the experimental option again. Probably shouldn't, but I really really want to. At the least the prototype regen sounds like we should pick it.
     
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    >Internal screaming intensifies

    Hahahaha, even more prototypes I wasn't expecting to be in this thing!

    God damn, this thing is is going to fail for no other reason than we took so many prototypes we crashed the Manufacturing score below D isn't it?
     
    [ ] Type-7 Regenerative (Prototype)

    Dont want to go too overtop that is just asking for problems but recovering shield strength over time will be quite useful for a combat ship
     
    Decision time: do we stake our professional existence on a bunch of extremely prototype technologies, and hope that we build the Queen Elizabeth-class battleships and not the LCS?
     
    Type-7 please. At this rate we're going to get an experimental phaser roll and that's what I want to double roll on.
     
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    [ ] Type-7 Regenerative (Prototype)
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    Honestly, one question that would be great if it could be answered - if something goes wrong with the regenerative shielding (assuming we stick with the Type 7 shields instead of the Type 8 conformal system), would the shields be able to be reverted to the Type 7 standard shields? Or would we be stuck with sub-optimal shielding the whole way?

    To put it simply, is the advantage of the Type-7 Regen variant purely that they're less likely to go wrong than the Type-8, or are they also likely to be easier to remedy if something does go "not according to plan" with them?
     
    I am torn on this. The regenerative shields are such a game changer but having the shields be proven tech will help increase the production run.
     
    Hmm Type-7 Regenerative seems like the obvious choice, but we've already got so many pieces of cutting edge technology already that it almost seems like we might as well make this a full blown technology demonstrator.

    Given the complexity so far, we need to ensure that the Sovereign stays relevant for decades in order to recoup the investment. Which means Type 8 Conformal so the Shields aren't out of date in 5 years.

    Decisions decisions.
     
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    Honestly, one question that would be great if it could be answered - if something goes wrong with the regenerative shielding (assuming we stick with the Type 7 shields instead of the Type 8 conformal system), would the shields be able to be reverted to the Type 7 standard shields? Or would we be stuck with sub-optimal shielding the whole way?

    To put it simply, is the advantage of the Type-7 Regen variant purely that they're less likely to go wrong than the Type-8, or are they also likely to be easier to remedy if something does go "not according to plan" with them?
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    Ah, good point, if the Type-7 Regen has a similar form factor and requirements as the regular Type-7, that would make it far easier to refit the normal ones in if they're just too manufacturing intensive or some such.

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    [X] Type-7 Regenerative (Prototype).
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    Two hour moratorium
     
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    Oh no. This thing is going to explode in the most spectacular fashion. Who wants to bet that if we take this option the nacelles will work as advertised and this is what screws us.

    In any case while I would love to vote for the Type-8, I feel like the Type-7 Regen suits our needs fine. It still represents and step forward in shielding technology, and as @Illusion of Eris pointed out, shares many of the same characteristics and possibly components as the normal Type-7, which is good for our ease of manufacture scores.
     
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    This sounds like the kind of floating brick that would benefit from regenerating shields more than a smaller more fragile ship so I think it's worth doing.
     
    I'd say Type 7 Regenerative. The Type 8 just seems like reaching too far in one go for me- get either the regeneration or the hull conformance working, then do the other. Don't try and rush both at once.
     
    The Type-8 sounds even more experimental and riskier than the latest from Yoyodine. So I think one of the Type-7s is likely going to work out better.
     
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    Honestly, one question that would be great if it could be answered - if something goes wrong with the regenerative shielding (assuming we stick with the Type 7 shields instead of the Type 8 conformal system), would the shields be able to be reverted to the Type 7 standard shields? Or would we be stuck with sub-optimal shielding the whole way?

    To put it simply, is the advantage of the Type-7 Regen variant purely that they're less likely to go wrong than the Type-8, or are they also likely to be easier to remedy if something does go "not according to plan" with them?
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    Watsonian perspective, yes. Doylist perspective, it has one less dice roll attached tp it than the Type-8s.
     
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