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- US
Oh no. I wonder if the prisoner is here, or if that ship has other sensors that can detect Practice.
The Secrets' Crusade
- Thread starter Snowfire
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- Original Sci-Fi
- Location
- Germany
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- He/Him
We would have to take out the lagless relay before it could transmit, take out the pickets before they could flee, do the same to the scientific ship (which might(?) have its own lagless communications) and hope not to alert backup systems (like the speculated guardian). That's a tall order.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
And try really hard not to feel bad about killing civilian ships.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
Could we infiltrate this system? As in hack it, process all the points of protection and then subvert them so we have more freedom in moving?
- Location
- Germany
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- He/Him
If there's really no AI sleeping around somewhere ... I think at the moment the visible protection isn't a big problem, it's the speculated hidden stuff that might make things problematic.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
We have an AI of our own. I'm hoping this will be more Iris unplugged the AIs alarm than another case of makes Naruto look like a rookie. I want to see if we could do it and then of course if we should do it.
- Location
- Australia
I really think popping ships in the Consolat homeworld is an absolute not-even-in-worst-case no-no. I don't think we can come back from that and there is a distinct limit to the number of simultaneous War Fleets we can deal with at Earth. Violence in this place will taint anything we have accomplished on this entire voyage.
[X] The Outer Moon - The only one of Elil's results not on the Consolat homeworld. There are no obvious sensor presences, but going here will also deny you access to the four points of interest on the second planet.
[X] The Outer Moon - The only one of Elil's results not on the Consolat homeworld. There are no obvious sensor presences, but going here will also deny you access to the four points of interest on the second planet.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
I think they've shown pretty conclusively that nonviolence in this place will get pretty much the same reaction, absent whatever messianic bullshit Amanda's being set up for.
This is Oneiros's fault. (they know why, the sneaky editor)
I feel this is best to get out of the way first, because if we don't and kick up a ruckus, there is a very real chance of not being able to get to it.
[X] The Outer Moon - The only one of Elil's results not on the Consolat homeworld. There are no obvious sensor presences, but going here will also deny you access to the four points of interest on the second planet.
I feel this is best to get out of the way first, because if we don't and kick up a ruckus, there is a very real chance of not being able to get to it.
[X] The Outer Moon - The only one of Elil's results not on the Consolat homeworld. There are no obvious sensor presences, but going here will also deny you access to the four points of interest on the second planet.
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- Location
- Somewhere out there
There is nowhere near enough reason to go to the outer moon from the information we're given. The cost-to-benefit analysis just doesn't pan out -- yes, the costs are the lowest, but the benefits are even lower. The factors that might make it worth our time aren't currently known to us, and it would be foolish of us to believe that we definitively aren't being followed, so we can't waste time pursuing an option that might not provide much help just because it's safest.
Now, as for where to park the Adamant... Mathematically, the middle distance is the best because, if the base difficulty is equal and the cost of failure is the same, half the penalty on two checks is (counterintuitively) better than no penalty on one check and the full penalty on the other. That said, I still believe that "go big or go home" is the way to go here, and the best way to go big in this case is to park the Adamant out among the trojans so we can bring Elil and Vega in the landing party -- unless we want to take a little more risk and bring them both while we park at the middle distance.
[x] The Origin
-[x] Near Orbit Cluster
Now, as for where to park the Adamant... Mathematically, the middle distance is the best because, if the base difficulty is equal and the cost of failure is the same, half the penalty on two checks is (counterintuitively) better than no penalty on one check and the full penalty on the other. That said, I still believe that "go big or go home" is the way to go here, and the best way to go big in this case is to park the Adamant out among the trojans so we can bring Elil and Vega in the landing party -- unless we want to take a little more risk and bring them both while we park at the middle distance.
[x] The Origin
-[x] Near Orbit Cluster
I'm not sure I agree. The demonstration that we are capable of such a response while intentionally staying our hand is exactly the point we're trying to communicate: We're not some pushover that could be subverted against them, but we're also not belligerent or blinded by hatred. We can come to the table with our swords remaining in their scabbards. We can negotiate in good faith on what might well be equal footing.
I disagree with both what I think you are trying to say, and your phrasing here.
We have very little conclusive evidence of what the Shiplord reaction will be (although we have a fair amount of strong speculative evidence). And while I absolutely don't trust Snowfire's dice not to give us a multi-Miracle cluster**** when looking at the Consolat Homeworld, calling the base plan "messianic bullshit" is really not all that accurate.
We may well be being followed, yes - but there's no reason to think that whoever might be following is close enough to mean we won't be able to move from the outer moon to the planet, while being followed actually makes it more likely we would be unable to examine the moon if we go to the planet first.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
[X] The Outer Moon - The only one of Elil's results not on the Consolat homeworld. There are no obvious sensor presences, but going here will also deny you access to the four points of interest on the second planet.
Might as well do the one where we definitely won't be seen before the ones where we might be. And hey, maybe the Shiplords thinking this spot is unimportant means it's the thing they're missing.
Might as well do the one where we definitely won't be seen before the ones where we might be. And hey, maybe the Shiplords thinking this spot is unimportant means it's the thing they're missing.
And you expect that message to be successfully conveyed if we're caught clandestinely investigating somewhere the Shiplords fought a war to avoid talking about? When we just confirmed that they have a longstanding policy of genociding anyone who even slightly reminds them of either the people who used to live here or the people who killed themselves after investigating here?
The reward for visiting the Last Memory was a lead on something the Teel'sanha weren't good enough wizards to handle themselves. The reward for talking to Sidra was not dragging them along when Amanda apotheosises.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
The Teel'sanha were not, in fact, wizards at all. And honestly, humanity are more- [CENSORED]
- Location
- Somewhere out there
Not sure how that follows. If it makes it more likely that we can't go to the moon if we go to the planet first, then why wouldn't it also make it more likely that we can't go to the planet if we go to the moon first?
The thing about being able to do science to a thing (which is what Mary has spend her whole life doing), is that even if that thing is Eldritch Space Magic, you are able to build on the efforts of those who have come before. A large part of both wizardry and science is incorporating the knowledge you can obtain from others, rather than one's own prowess.
I'm assuming that the visit to the moon's one point of interest will take significantly less time than the planet's four.
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[X] The Outer Moon - The only one of Elil's results not on the Consolat homeworld. There are no obvious sensor presences, but going here will also deny you access to the four points of interest on the second planet.
We can start gathering information with less chance of being noticed. Yes, we're on a timer, but I don't think the time taken to start here will really hurt, when weighed against the information we'll get.
We can start gathering information with less chance of being noticed. Yes, we're on a timer, but I don't think the time taken to start here will really hurt, when weighed against the information we'll get.
- Location
- Germany
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- He/Him
Your argument confuses me. You say we don't have enough info (we know it is a special location), and then you say it's not worth it. If you don't know what we are going to find, how do you know it isn't worth it looking at that location?
- Location
- Somewhere out there
If we have to choose between parking somewhere that gives us access to one special location, and parking somewhere that gives us access to four special locations, and we don't know for certain that we're going to be able to go to the other one after we've committed to our decision, then we should really commit to the decision that gives us more opportunities to get the information we need.
A valid point. Meanwhile, I was assuming that the transit time between planets was going to be the dominant factor rather than the time spent on the planet/moon.
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Shwaggy
Weapon of Math Instruction
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- he/him/his
[X] The Outer Moon - The only one of Elil's results not on the Consolat homeworld. There are no obvious sensor presences, but going here will also deny you access to the four points of interest on the second planet.
I agree with hitting the single, isolated option first, because it seems most likely that if something will happen it'd happen during the 4 locations on the planet, and we would be less likely to get a chance at the moon afterwards.
I agree with hitting the single, isolated option first, because it seems most likely that if something will happen it'd happen during the 4 locations on the planet, and we would be less likely to get a chance at the moon afterwards.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[x] The Origin
-[x] Near Orbit Cluster
-[x] Near Orbit Cluster
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- He/Him