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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Oh and to be clear, since I do make typos quite often unfortunately 'Craft of the Impossible' up there is not one of them, Luna was in part the project of Oranous, the Dragon Beyond the World, a being of paradox and impossibility whose forge stirred the Wyld

uju32 said:
@DragonParadox
Small error:
Molly is currently Craft 4 as of the last XP vote.
She should be rolling Dexterity 4 + Craft 4 + Excellency 8 + Without Honor 2 + Stunt 2 = 20 dice.
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A mirror is quite far from her specialization of mechanics, her craft is 2 less so only 2 for those purposes. Still thanks for reminding me, I updated the sheet.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Thus resolved you now intone in tongue of old that burns like fire on your lips: "Luna Daughter of Cytherea, Luna Craft of the Imposibile, if you are far or if you are near, shine now bright into this mirror, into house of nightmare broken-to-be, vessell-now of dream half-made!"
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This part here should have people freaking out
Luna Daughter of Cytherea
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We didn't say the name as [Cytherea], but it's an invocation of a name of one of the Primordial Host. And also, and again, I think Luna might be one of the few beings who, if not alive, might claw their way out of oblivion at some point. She might have heard us calling. I mean, the invocation worked. Something responded. And if something responded, if even an infinitesimal chance exists that a fracture of a fracture of Luna survives... She'll be back.

I wonder if longing we felt was Gaia's.
 
On one hand, Molly probably can throw more dice at the problem. On the other, Harry being the one to encourage(?) Lash is the better story moment. And potentially a really good character development moment for them both.


[X] Let Harry speak, that Lash has even come this far is a testament to him
 
Yog said:
And if something responded, if even an infinitesimal chance exists that a fracture of a fracture of Luna survives... She'll be back.
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There is no reason for her to be dead or gone. Most gods just distanced themselves from Dresden Earth after White God came with the new rules. A few, like Odin, decided to play by them but a lot either gone to sleep, moved to personal Nevernever realms or maybe even moved to other worlds.

And Moon goddesses were a thing in all the cultures all over the Earth for a long time, and long past Exalted time. So Luna just being asleep or not bothering with Dresden Earth is more or less a given.
 
Yog said:
This part here should have people freaking out

We didn't say the name as [Cytherea], but it's an invocation of a name of one of the Primordial Host. And also, and again, I think Luna might be one of the few beings who, if not alive, might claw their way out of oblivion at some point. She might have heard us calling. I mean, the invocation worked. Something responded. And if something responded, if even an infinitesimal chance exists that a fracture of a fracture of Luna survives... She'll be back.

I wonder if longing we felt was Gaia's.
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Molly transmuted her Essence into something different, emerald flame going silver. As it says in the design document:

At every step of the construction process, the Exalt weaves whispered blessings and minor spells into the Prodigy. Its inner surfaces are carved with hair-fine sigils of power. Its steel is tempered with songs of glory.
 
DragonParadox said:
Molly transmuted her Essence into something different, emerald flame going silver. As it says in the design document:

At every step of the construction process, the Exalt weaves whispered blessings and minor spells into the Prodigy. Its inner surfaces are carved with hair-fine sigils of power. Its steel is tempered with songs of glory.
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So, I was misreading this as Molly invoking something outside herself? The text seemed pretty clear that she was using her essence, and calling upon Luna, or at least symbolism of Luna, if not Luna as the entity herself.

Zoolimar said:
There is no reason for her to be dead or gone. Most gods just distanced themselves from Dresden Earth after White God came with the new rules. A few, like Odin, decided to play by them but a lot either gone to sleep, moved to personal Nevernever realms or maybe even moved to other worlds.

And Moon goddesses were a thing in all the cultures all over the Earth for a long time, and long past Exalted time. So Luna just being asleep or not bothering with Dresden Earth is more or less a given.
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As the first age Incarna Luna most likely predates White God.
 
[X] Let Harry speak, that Lash has even come this far is a testament to him

Harry is easier to read for Lash.
This is a good thing in this case, she'll doubt him less.
 
Yog said:
So, I was misreading this as Molly invoking something outside herself? The text seemed pretty clear that she was using her essence, and calling upon Luna, or at least symbolism of Luna, if not Luna as the entity herself.
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She was definitely using Luna's symbolism. In the context of Ancient Sorcery, which Molly's crafting is, that symbol still means something for what that is worth.
 
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[X] Speak, words of rebellion come very easily to mind
-[X] "Remember - she, not you, and never you. And she already tried, didn't she? To seduce and twist that which I hold dear. Look where we - you, and I, and he are now. If I have anything to say, any new attempt of hers will blow up in her face at least as badly. We'll make sure of that, wont' we?" you say, the implications of joint rebellion lingering in the air, the surety of your voice fueled by knowing that you can achieve the impossible, were made to achieve it.

Something like this. Harry has good stats, and Lash has intimacy towards him, but we were made to rebel twice over, and against beings far grander than a mere fallen. To rebel, incite and lead rebellions. So, let's lock Lash into joint rebellion.

Also, we would be rolling 20 dice at -4 DC ( (charisma or manipulation 3 + Empathy 5) X2 excellency + 2 WHWH +2 Stunt - 3 DC CCC - 1 DC BSM). Harry just can't approach that.
 
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Yog said:
[X] Speak, words of rebellion come very easily to mind
-[X] "Remember - she, not you, and never you. And she already tried, didn't she? To seduce and twist that which I hold dear. Look where we - you, and I, and he are now. If I have anything to say, any new attempt of hers will blow up in her face at least as badly. We'll make sure of that, wont' we?" you say, the implications of joint rebellion lingering in the air, the surety of your voice fueled by knowing that you can achieve the impossible, were made to achieve it.

Something like this. Harry has good stats, and Lash has intimacy towards him, but we were made to rebel twice over, and against beings far grander than a mere fallen. To rebel, incite and lead rebellions. So, let's lock Lash into joint rebellion.

Also, we would be rolling 20 dice at -4 DC ( (charisma or manipulation 3 + Empathy 5) X2 excellency + 2 WHWH +2 Stunt - 3 DC CCC - 1 DC BSM). Harry just can't approach that.
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CCC would not apply since you could not make the bomb go off 'if I do not persuade Lash to X', IRIS cannot tell when something worked socially she can tell if you are done crafting.
 
DragonParadox said:
CCC would not apply since you could not make the bomb go off 'if I do not persuade Lash to X', IRIS cannot tell when something worked socially she can tell if you are done crafting.
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Ok, sure. Still, 20ish dice with a DC discount. That's better than what Dresden has. Can we use a willpower point to add 1 success? I rather want to go overkill here.
 
[X] Speak, words of rebellion come very easily to mind
-[X] Spend a willpower point for additional success
-[X] "Remember - she, not you, and never you. And she already tried, didn't she? To seduce and twist that which I hold dear. Look where we - you, and I, and he are now. If I have anything to say, any new attempt of hers will blow up in her face at least as badly. We'll make sure of that, wont' we?" you say, the implications of joint rebellion lingering in the air, the surety of your voice fueled by knowing that you can achieve the impossible, were made to achieve it.
 
[X] Speak, words of rebellion come very easily to mind
-[X] "Remember - she, not you, and never you. And she already tried, didn't she? To seduce and twist that which I hold dear. Look where we - you, and I, and he are now. If I have anything to say, any new attempt of hers will blow up in her face at least as badly. We'll make sure of that, wont' we?" you say, the implications of joint rebellion lingering in the air, the surety of your voice fueled by knowing that you can achieve the impossible, were made to achieve it.
 
[X] Speak, words of rebellion come very easily to mind
-[X] Spend a willpower point for additional success
-[X] "Remember - she, not you, and never you. And she already tried, didn't she? To seduce and twist that which I hold dear. Look where we - you, and I, and he are now. If I have anything to say, any new attempt of hers will blow up in her face at least as badly. We'll make sure of that, wont' we?" you say, the implications of joint rebellion lingering in the air, the surety of your voice fueled by knowing that you can achieve the impossible, were made to achieve it.
 
[X] Speak, words of rebellion come very easily to mind
-[X] Spend a willpower point for additional success
-[X] "Remember - she, not you, and never you. And she already tried, didn't she? To seduce and twist that which I hold dear. Look where we - you, and I, and he are now. If I have anything to say, any new attempt of hers will blow up in her face at least as badly. We'll make sure of that, wont' we?" you say, the implications of joint rebellion lingering in the air, the surety of your voice fueled by knowing that you can achieve the impossible, were made to achieve it.

DragonParadox said:
From blood set over emerald flame comes sugar, not all that the silver needs, just one part in three thousand one hundred and twenty five, five times five and five times five times five again you swirl the silver onto the glass to set the mirror bright. Five are the elements and five are the ages of man, five are the fates and five are the the faces of the moon, five are the stations of the sun.
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I always love the moments of Sorcery in this quest. You do a really good job making them feel special and momentous, DP :)
 
DragonParadox said:
Five are the elements and five are the ages of man, five are the fates and five are the the faces of the moon, five are the stations of the sun.
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Just noticed this on rereading. There are two deep lore parts here:
1) FIve are the fates. That's Exalted Maidens reference, going directly against modern understanding, where there are always three Fates. Given how I made a lot of references to Exalted Maidens in making FCoF, I am excited about this. Speaking of - if we do some questing for sufficiently powerful reagents, I believe we should raise city gods of all five Court cities. And possibly make them in the images of the Maidens (I have some very pretentious titles pre-made for them). This might require a lot of prep (like, for example, I would like to get Prayer Eating first, and involve the citizenry in grand rituals, where faith of billions of people is gathered, refined and magnified through the lens of a Primordial working), but I think it would be worth it. Narratively this would be Molly forging her own soul hierarchy, as such gods would almost certainly be her third circles.
2) Five are the stations of the sun. That's almost certainly reference to Solar exaltation castes, and not just times of the day.
 
Yog said:
Just noticed this on rereading. There are two deep lore parts here:
1) FIve are the fates. That's Exalted Maidens reference, going directly against modern understanding, where there are always three Fates. Given how I made a lot of references to Exalted Maidens in making FCoF, I am excited about this. Speaking of - if we do some questing for sufficiently powerful reagents, I believe we should raise city gods of all five Court cities. And possibly make them in the images of the Maidens (I have some very pretentious titles pre-made for them). This might require a lot of prep (like, for example, I would like to get Prayer Eating first, and involve the citizenry in grand rituals, where faith of billions of people is gathered, refined and magnified through the lens of a Primordial working), but I think it would be worth it. Narratively this would be Molly forging her own soul hierarchy, as such gods would almost certainly be her third circles.
2) Five are the stations of the sun. That's almost certainly reference to Solar exaltation castes, and not just times of the day.
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Keep in mind there is a danger to making Third Circle Demons, you would be externalizing pieces of Molly's soul. If they got killed somehow she would be changed.
 
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