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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
[x]Yes
[X] Try to get the vampires to surrender (Charisma+Intimidation)
-[X] [Stunt] You smile showing quite a bit of teeth. You don't actually need to scare them you can see the fear pulsing inside of them, "You aren't all doomed. There actually is a way that you get out of this. You just need to bend the knee and surrender. I have uses for for you and you are useful intact." The plane vibrates with a deep base underscoring your words adding extra depth to them. It is as if the whole world is speaking.
I honestly feel like this should be an empathy roll. We don't need to scare them they are already super scared.
Or just because I like the idea.
-[X][Stunt] "Your in my world now not your world and I have friends on the other side" She's got friends on the other side. "Sit down at my table" A table grows out of the floor. Put your mind at ease. If you relax it enable you to deal with me. I control your future. Make it better or worse. I look deep into your heart and soul make your wildest dreams come true."
[X] Try to get the vampires to surrender (Charisma+Intimidation)
-[X] [Stunt] You smile showing quite a bit of teeth. You don't actually need to scare them you can see the fear pulsing inside of them, "You aren't all doomed. There actually is a way that you get out of this. You just need to bend the knee and surrender. I have uses for for you and you are useful intact." The plane vibrates with a deep base underscoring your words adding extra depth to them. It is as if the whole world is speaking.
I honestly feel like this should be an empathy roll. We don't need to scare them they are already super scared.
Or just because I like the idea.
-[X][Stunt] "Your in my world now not your world and I have friends on the other side" She's got friends on the other side. "Sit down at my table" A table grows out of the floor. Put your mind at ease. If you relax it enable you to deal with me. I control your future. Make it better or worse. I look deep into your heart and soul make your wildest dreams come true."
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Cracking it wide open at a time when we are opening negotiations with the White Council at that.
And possibly the Fellowship of St Giles.
And we have an entire world of support personnel, including interrogators.
There's levels of information access that are potentially open to exploitation if we can take these people alive.
Plus, having prisoners makes it much easier to plausibly launder information on the Red Court into broader circulation.
I was going off the fact that Arianna Ortega recognized Molly as making it likely that her retinue would have some of the information that she does as well.
But yeah fair point on Seeker and the implications of falling into his hands.
BoredMan
Salutations thou who beds thy own mother
I am so very happy you didn't put Hercules. A pet peeve of mine.
I don't understand why people are voting to just kill them.
Dresden's baby momma is going to be turned into a half vamp at some point if everything goes according to canon. When that comes to light we will want Reds to experiment on to find a cure in the very least. We have the Crown for questions but only limited foci. Those 2 uses are just from the top of my head. Point is they could become assets down the line in ways we can't forsee right now.
What a waste to just kill them all.
[X] Try to get the vampires to surrender (Charisma+Intimidation)
[X] No
Edit: Another possible use: We bring them into our Hell and let the Five Courts learn all they can about their biology. Maybe they can cook something up that we can use to kill them enmass like Dresden and the bloodline curse from canon, or something smaller scale like vamp killing gas...
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- washington
I'll note the city of endings does focus on rehabilitation to a large degree and well we have a fuck off amount of personnel that could guard these vampires in our hell and tech to make that easier. Even though we don't have the prison option (yet gotta conquer it) our hell has prisons, it has guards, it has therapists, and they have therapy in mind for beings that can live indefinitely in our hell. If we had tens of thousands of prisoners I still wouldn't be all that worried cause their far outnumbered, far out gunned, and they have practices for pretty much this exact scenario in our hell. Also we have scholars and interrogators that could learn much from them.
Given I'd be worried if the prisoners are far more powerful than these guys right here I'm sure our hell could hold a naagloshi but like I wouldn't push it. Also you know I'd wait until we have the super prison for super beings to imprison.
[X] Try to get the vampires to surrender (Charisma+Intimidation)
Given I'd be worried if the prisoners are far more powerful than these guys right here I'm sure our hell could hold a naagloshi but like I wouldn't push it. Also you know I'd wait until we have the super prison for super beings to imprison.
[X] Try to get the vampires to surrender (Charisma+Intimidation)
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uh bruh sussan is already a half vamp.
BoredMan
Salutations thou who beds thy own mother
I'd rather let them be experimented on to see what they can find or cook up weakness wise. We know from canon that the RedCourt share very simular DNA enough for it to hold mystical significiance. The Five Courts have magitech out the ass they might be able to figure something out!
All the more reason.
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they can very easily do that too their likely to stay there almost indefinitely experiments can be done. Like diagnostic magics and tech exists my dude their far more advanced than real life.
Since the city of endings focus on rehabilitation they probably have nice prisons to hold them in and learn about them as much as possible.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
We already have treatment and cure for half red vamp. MIS as treatment and exocise as a cure.
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BoredMan
Salutations thou who beds thy own mother
@DragonParadox If vampires or otherwise die in the Five Courts do they come back like the natives? If so then they can experiment to their hearts content!
Edit: Wait nvm revive takes too long.
Then they can just do research for DNA expliots I guess.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well if we exocise a bunch of half reds dissecting the resulting spiritual parasites should should give us valuable information on how to make our own (Inner Darkness Unchained).
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- washington
nah revives fairly quick relatively its not you know like a day but you can assume most people resurrect within a week or so.
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- washington
Also I do want the rehabilitation part simply cause I plan on converting hellish denizens eventually. I wonder what happens if we kill and usurp a yama king. Can we just put another hell under our hell perhaps. Maybe recycle the souls and demons cause in many cases rehabilitating will be near impossible and recycling would be kinder.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
The main point is that, while long term it might be desirable, we should expect a near immediate escalation to the war to either silence the defectors or else secure their own counterbalance advantage in order to ensure that nobody is in a position to just win against them.
As in within the week.
Yes, they do. Anything that dies in there comes back under the influence of the local natural laws.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
You have said before that those that die in our world become creatures of darkness any other changes? Like if something that was already a creature of darkness dies in our world? Or do you want that to come as a surprise?
That is more of a try and find out kind of thing, Molly has never seen it happen, no one has. The reason she knows about the CoD part is that all the matter in Sanctuary is intrinsically derived of infernal Essence and that is her benchmark for what a CoD is. If you asked her what makes a vampire inherently more persuadable to her (DPE) she would answer 'they are more likely to listen because they are like me'.
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- washington
offhand does our hell have any solar stuff at all like in its deepest corners as remembrance of what once was?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
It doesn't even have a sun even a green one. Maybe there is dark sun in the sky that no one can see?
Well my guess would be if say Broken Seeker died and was reborn in our hell at the very least Demonic Primacy of Essence starts working on him. Also if a fey dies in our hell and is reborn by our power their debt sense goes into overdrive as they suddenly owe Molly everything.
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I'm talking anything that hints of the corrupted nature of the solar exaltation. Even if its really really really hidden.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I mean maybe? But sense Molly has never heard of a Solar, Infernals or that there might be a connection between them she is likely to miss the hints.
Like there might be a dark sun in the sky but it isn't considered noteworthy.
Doubt it.
There's a couple of factors that say otherwise IMO.
1)They dont have the intelligence.
While they can be certain that Arianna is dead(the Red King will know about his daughter, if nothing else) they dont know about the rest. They dont know if there are any survivors, if and where they were moved, or how to get there, or what the opposition is if they go. They are going to have to spend time gathering and confirming intelligence.
They dont know enough about Molly to Leeroy Jenkins it either, besides a long list of heavy hitters that end with "And they died".
Arianna was a Duchess, and according to Changes, she was just under the Lords of Outer Night in status and presumably power.
Daughter of the Red King, even if I doubt she's his only progency.
If just Molly and Seeker could take Arianna and her entire retinue in a handful of minutes and with sufficient force superiority as to leave the plane largely intact? They need a lot more information before risking more vampire elders; minions might be easy to replace, but elders arent.
2)They dont have the spare forces.
The Red Court are still at war with the White Council and its allies.
They really dont have that much to spare at the best of times without uncovering something that might get shot or stabbed or bombed or nuked. Opening a second offensive front is strategically questionable.
Worse, they suffered a major defeat, with personnel losses less than six months ago.
The occasion of Molly being rescued from Arctis Tor coincides with a major battle with the White Council, where the Reds got jumped by Summer Lady Lily and the Summer Court's forces. Thats where Morgan killed a Duke and two Counts, and came within twenty feet of stabbing the Red King himself before the dude fled.
That points at significant military losses among the high nobility, who also serve as their military commanders.
And you presumably cant replace a vampire elder by going out and biting some rando.
Add to that internal political instability from the loss of high nobility.
Arianna is the second Duke/Duchess level noble to die in the last six months, in addition to at least two Counts and other high nobility, and thats going to exacerbate jockeying for internal position in the neofeudal Red Court.
Everybody of high enough visibility to be a significant target is going to be beefing up personal defenses. They shouldnt have the spare military force. Probably. And mercs willing and able to take the job of going after Molly in Chicago will be few and far between after the stories of just who they are supposed to go after get around.
3)They dont have the logistics.
They've spent the last couple years pissing off both major Fae Courts by warring in Faerie with impunity, and bringing Outsiders there, which is in part why surprise!Summer Court army happened to them in June.
Thats about to get worse.
Mab just finished a significant purge of Winter, and the Winter Fae are much less distracted by internal isues.
Which means that the Red Court's days of unimpeded freedom of access to the Ways of Faerie more or less with impunity are about to come to a screeching halt. Not to mention that with the end of the year approaching, Winter's power is waxing.
Coming north would have to be in the real world.
Risking significant forces with no safe route of retreat, and largely precluding the importation of demons or Outsiders to attempt to even the scales. In the same city as a Knight of the Cross and the mad wizard Dresden.
And as Chicago is basically Fae central, with the sheer density of Fae and fae interests in the region that implies (remember, Dresden called on a quarter million wyldfae alone in Chicago in Battleground), so whatever they do will make it back to the Queens. Which brings us back to:
4)They have treaty obligations under the Accords
Sending military forces or agents of any sort to Chicago would be an open, flagrant breach of an Accords-certified agreement they made in Death Masks to keep their forces out of Chicago after Duke Paolo Ortega lost his duel with Dresden.
And doing that would give Mab casus belli to.....chastise them for it.
Arianna tried to be clever and deniable, and we still found out and instead of making a legal case, killed her for it.
They probably dont want to draw attention or scrutiny to that before they've had the opportunity to try to scrub her tracks, especially since this is the second time in six months that Arianna has meddled in the Chicago area; she was canonically the top bidder on Madrigal Raith's attempt to auction Dresden on Ebay in June(Proven Guilty).
Which suggests that she was probably the Red Court noble who was overseeing the whole Red Court angle of the Skavis/Madrigal plot aimed at Molly, Cauldron and the White Court.
Basically, think of it this way: Seeker's stomping grounds are in the southwestern US, within a couple hundred miles of the US-Mexico border. If he, who is not an Accords signatory AFAIK, is not worried about the Reds bringing enough force into his territory to threaten him, I significantly doubt they can afford to come all the way northeast to Chicago in the next week or so.
They are going to put together a response to try and get back at us. Whether by themselves, or lending someone else support.
But I am reasonably sure its not this year. Might not even be in the next six months; Dresden killing Paolo Ortega didnt draw a military response for at least half a decade, and the Reds are still at war with the White Council.
5) Arianna's death has royal political implications
Also there's the additional political dimension that canonically Arianna Ortega was trying to build enough of a power base inside the Red Court to overthrow her father by the time of Changes.
Because according to her, while she loved her father, she believed he was a blood junkie and losing control of his appetites(true) and no longer fit to lead the Red Court, and should be replaced by another Night Lord.
For the good of the Red Court.
In killing her, we did him a personal favor in securing his position.
And also prevented the potential replacement of the currently reigning Red King with a new, more effective king and war leader, thus doing the White Council a favor.
Of course, Molly doesnt know any of this IC. Yet.
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