Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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So, regarding Kingdom signature charm effect, does the world warping revert back when we drop shintai? I mean, I get that active effects and Lord of the Land control fade, but our Kingdom is not made from ectoplasm, it's actual matter. In order to revert physical changes imposed by the charms effect, a new change would be required.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I do not see the extreme weather conditions or exotic effects lasting much beyond the charm but there should be no reason, by RaW that the changes will revert.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Also, regarding the signature, it changes an area of Essence X 500 yards or 1500 yards at E3.
That is roughly 1.5 km and changes as she moves. Her base movement is already boosted and she gains a x3 speed in shintai.
It would be entirely possible to create an entire city with this, have forests spring up or any other number of changes.
That is roughly 1.5 km and changes as she moves. Her base movement is already boosted and she gains a x3 speed in shintai.
It would be entirely possible to create an entire city with this, have forests spring up or any other number of changes.
Weather conditions and exotic effects yes, but what about material objects? Stuff like superconducting river banks, uranium outcroppings, iron snow, advanced electronics embedded into walls made of exotic alloys?
It does, if you want it to last that is where you need to perform sacrifices, there is a charm for that. When you are using that signature charm Molly is not actually changing the world around her to match her kingdom, she is doing dimensional shenanigans using that fact that her kingdom is contained in her soul and her soul can flow out of her body combined with the boost from shintai.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
That...is not how it works?
So as per RaW, she is not bringing anything out but reshaping the outer world to reflect her inner world.
So any features, like buildings and other physical objects are not brought out but rather warped and twisted from existing stuff.
Goings like weather dissipated without thd existing components to power it, but once, say a mountain has been shaped into a building, it should stay in that shape.
To add to this take the Lanka Charm.
This is another similar charm but it has a set Duration. Not so for the kingdom charm.
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Huh... I had thought it was temporary.
In that case sure the features stay, that is a good balance for not being able to go into Shintai as often as others can use their apocalyptic forms. If I made the call for RaW in one instance makes sense to use it in the other. Use responsibly
You missed words in your quote: "while that form persists".
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Yeah, while the form persists the world keeps gaining features. Meaning if we run, the world around us warps to match.
The part was added so even if we are forced to retreat, the effect follows us and is not limited to the area where we went devil trigger.
Can't agree with you at all. It seems to me that world warps and twists while the form persists, when Shintai is over, the changes are reverted. This whole sentence signifies the starting point of the changes (when Infernal dons her form) and the duration of them (while the form persists).
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Are you sure? Please, consider the meaning of the passage: «When the Infernal dons her Shintai form, and while that form persists».Huh... I had thought it was temporary.
In that case sure the features stay, that is a good balance for not being able to go into Shintai as often as others can use their apocalyptic forms. If I made the call for RaW in one instance makes sense to use it in the other. Use responsibly
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
1. When Tigers broke free has a specific Duration mentioned in the charm. Kingdom does not.
2. The words used: When the Infernal dons her Shintai form, and while that form persists.
Why use "When the Infernal dons her Shintai form, and while that form persists"
Why not just say, while the Infernal is in shintai?
Because the effect is supposed to follow the Infernal and not be stationery.
That is the purpose of the charm. Persistent effect that follows the Infernal.
Because it sounds cool. See "dons".
Yes, it follows the Infernal, while she is in the Shintai form.
One could certainly argue that it should twist back when you are no longer exerting influence on it and if this was the base world with multiple infernals with kingdom charms wandering around I would rule it that way for the sake of sanity, but this is not that world with 50 infernal exaltations on the loose, this is the world with one Infernal Exaltation and it is a big deal by background world-building elements. Also it gives you just one more thing to be concerned about. Sure you can turn this bit of natural park into an alien tropical jungle... but what happens with it afterwards?
That is the kind of problem exalts should have.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Tiger Charm Words.
This Charm's effects persist for a number of hours equal to the successes on is activation roll.
Kingdom charm Words.
When the Infernal dons her Shintai form, and while that form persists, the world around her within (Essence x 500) yards warps and twists, gaining many of the features of her Kingdom.
One is clearly temporary while the other is not.
1. The Kjngdom charm changes the world.
2. It is the continious warping effect that lasts for the duration of the charm.
3. Once a thing is warped, or a feature has been shaped there is no reason ig should not stay so.
4. Shaping effects from 2E and 3E work similarly.
Also, even with 50 Infernals, how many will take Kingdom as Signature? Let zone take the Kingdom charm?One could certainly argue that it should twist back when you are no longer exerting influence on it and if this was the base world with multiple infernals with kingdom charms wandering around I would rule it that way for the sake of sanity, but this is not that world with 50 infernal exaltations on the loose, this is the world with one Infernal Exaltation and it is a big deal by background world-building elements. Also it gives you just one more thing to be concerned about. Sure you can turn this bit of natural part into an alien tropical jungle... but what happens with it afterwards?
That is the kind of problem exalts should have.
It is a PC capstone for a reason limited only to ghe Big Bad Infernal enemy. I do not see any other NPC gaining it.
You said it yourself, not all Infernals went down the path of the Devil Tiger.
I am sorry, DragonParadox, but I think that you are unnecessarily nerfing that charm while making it difficult to use. I think that the description is pretty clear on the effect and its duration.One could certainly argue that it should twist back when you are no longer exerting influence on it and if this was the base world with multiple infernals with kingdom charms wandering around I would rule it that way for the sake of sanity, but this is not that world with 50 infernal exaltations on the loose, this is the world with one Infernal Exaltation and it is a big deal by background world-building elements. Also it gives you just one more thing to be concerned about. Sure you can turn this bit of natural part into an alien tropical jungle... but what happens with it afterwards?
That is the kind of problem exalts should have.
If you believe that's the case why are you voting to tell anyone?
It's not like this is a blood oath to silence or something, we can tell whoever we want whenever we want; this is just about who we tell right now, and informing Thomas early is just a matter of convenience.
More directly, we can tell Thomas not to share it with anyone, and breaking that instruction will drop his MiS access.
I think you continue to ignore the description of the duration of the charm. Please, refer to Barren Waste Infliction, which is aimed to create Hell on Earth, there are exact words about it.
Edit: but it is possible that I don't understand something, I think we will need the opinion of other players.
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OK, thinking about it I think this is iffy enough that I can put this to an OOC vote like I did with the XP, if you guys want dimensional shenanigans or actually warping reality. The world building I set up works for both.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
No, our disagreement is that you think what is warped becomes unwarped at the end of the shintai while I think that the continious warping effect ends but what is warped stays warped, which is consistent with 2E 3E AND ExWoD.
OK, because it seems that I edited my last post after you started answering, I reiterate that it is entirely possible that I am making a mistake, but I am pretty sure that there is another charm dedicated to the purpose of making Hell on Earth (Barren Waste Infliction).
Depends on the amount of control we have.
It also says some features after all; if we can choose to only bring the weather or something we can still make it work as a transient effect in places we don't want to fully transform.
We could also take regions that will basically self destruct after the fact. Hukapani forests for example will melt into useless slurry once the temperature shifts to earth normal again.
I can see where you're coming from, but it's also a neat effect and I think we could make it work to our advantage with some effort.
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We have something like three or four charms that all make fomori in slightly different ways. Function overlap doesn't necessarily imply anything.
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