Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I am not presently using multiple Earths so this point is kind of moot for the purposes of this quest, but using multiple nevernevers is... remarkably opposed to what the concept is meant to be, right down to the name.

Nevernever should, pardon the pun (or not :V ) never be the kind of thing that can legitimately have a numeric designation after it, it is the spirit world, it is the Wood Between Worlds, it is the mythic realm of gods and monsters, it should not come with sections.
It at the very least has multiple places of similar yet different iterations that are far enough away that its infeasible anyone ever gets to them. With near infinite versions of mab, wizards travelling in said regions, their own fae, iterations of gods and so on. Also it quite literally will in canon comes with sections because again there are multiple mabs and there are multiple as jim would call them parallel earths. These places have their own situations going on and these alternate earths are not all worlds in the nevernever in canon. Anyways not important for the quest but doesn't make what some people have said right.

Also I mean even here in quest it technically has sections different realms in it and all. Just if there's truly one nevernever well it at least leads to infinite material worlds surrounding it. Along with their own situations and a generally infeasible chance of reaching said alternates.
 
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It at the very least has multiple places of similar yet different iterations that are far enough away that its infeasible anyone ever gets to them. With near infinite versions of mab, wizards travelling in said regions, their own fae, iterations of gods and so on. Also it quite literally will in canon comes with sections because again there are multiple mabs and there are multiple as jim would call them parallel earths. These places have their own situations going on and these alternate earths are not all worlds in the nevernever in canon. Anyways not important for the quest but doesn't make what some people have said right.

Also I mean even here in quest it technically has sections different realms in it and all. Just if there's truly one nevernever well it at least leads to infinite material worlds surrounding it. Along with their own situations and a generally infeasible chance of reaching said alternates.

It has sections yes, my point was that it should not have iterations. The Caverns of Fiery Doom are something one might enjoy or might hate when dealing with the spirit world depending on one's opinion of fire, but Nevernever No.18768 linked to the world where everyone wears pink on Sunday and coffee does not exist does not seem like it could ever be fun and will always be an immersion break.
 
It has sections yes, my point was that it should not have iterations. The Caverns of Fiery Doom are something one might enjoy or might hate when dealing with the spirit world depending on one's opinion of fire, but Nevernever No.18768 linked to the world where everyone wears pink on Sunday and coffee does not exist does not seem like it could ever be fun and will always be an immersion break.
Thats where there's a fundamental difference you say should when it already canonically does. As for immersion break harrys never been special in the grand scheme of things and never will. Because Butcher made his greater setting a multiverse and thats fine it doesn't take away as far as I'm concerned for the same reason its fine if comic books do it. Doesn't need to be everyones cup of tea.
 
I mean there are quests on this site that take place in a multiverse but only touch one setting that seem to be doing mostly fine and people can find enjoyment in. Irrelevant of the fact that what they do in the grand scheme of things barely matters there.
 
Thats where there's a fundamental difference you say should when it already canonically does. As for immersion break harrys never been special in the grand scheme of things and never will. Because Butcher made his greater setting a multiverse and thats fine it doesn't take away as far as I'm concerned for the same reason its fine if comic books do it. Doesn't need to be everyones cup of tea.

Jim Butcher once said in an interview that his ideal in a character is to make their lives miserable, but not for the hell of it, to make their lives miserable in such a way that when the final test comes, save the world, defeat the villain no one else would make the choices they would, no one else would be able to perform the deeds they do. That would seem impossible if they are not at least somewhat important.
 
Jim Butcher once said in an interview that his ideal in a character is to make their lives miserable, but not for the hell of it, to make their lives miserable in such a way that when the final test comes, save the world, defeat the villain no one else would make the choices they would, no one else would be able to perform the deeds they do. That would seem impossible if they are not at least somewhat important.
To a frog their wells important same thing here. It doesn't invalidate everything just because infinity exists. Asides are you arguing I'm incorrect on him saying there is a multiverse because hes definitively confirmed there is? Peoples lives matter as much in one universe if theres only one or infinite as far as I'm concerned.
 
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To a frog their wells important same thing here. It doesn't invalidate everything just because infinity exists. Asides are you arguing I'm incorrect on him saying there is a multiverse because hes definitively confirmed there is. Peoples lives matter as much in one universe if theres only one or infinite as far as I'm concerned.

Frogs do not get nearly as many visits from angels as Harry Dresden, my issue is less a moral point about the abstract value of lives and more about the narrative value of focus
 
Frogs do not get nearly as many visits from angels as Harry Dresden, my issue is less a moral point about the abstract value of lives and more about the narrative value of focus
I mean comics do it all the same, quests on this site as well, its still you know a fact. Also I mean butchers said archangels are multiversal entities so not sure their attention means as much like one body a universe sure but thats still a lot of multitasking obviously. But, I get you dislike it I'm not asking ya to change anything I'm just saying its a fact as far as the canon setting goes. I can see why the multiverse existence can fuck with narrative flow but like its a plot point in plenty of fiction even if many dislike it. I can enjoy it at times.
 
I mean comics do it all the same, quests on this site as well, its still you know a fact. Also I mean butchers said archangels are multiversal entities so not sure their attention means as much like one body a universe sure but thats still a lot of multitasking obviously. But, I get you dislike it I'm not asking ya to change anything I'm just saying its a fact as far as the canon setting goes. I can see why the multiverse existence can fuck with narrative flow but like its a plot point in plenty of fiction even if many dislike it. I can enjoy it at times.

I get that, different people enjoy different things after all, just pointing out how this story works and why since it is a change from canon.
 
Enchanting swords was a long-lived hobby of Wizards though, even the Wardens still get some.

Admittedly, making the blade super-cutty from all sides is among the worst enchantments for someone who is not a master of it.
But we can do something nice and add a glow-effect.
Maybe, but it seems like a lot of effort for a gimmick toy thats actively a bad idea to use.
Funny how what Molly did parallels the argument of sone fundamentalist christians that God made whe world 6000 years ago but made it to be much older to test the faith of humans
In fairness "because the demiurge felt like being acausal today" is a considerably less stupid position than using incomplete and largely irrelevant genealogy to try measuring the age of the planet.

Well, he could carry in a briefcase. There is no reason we couldn't build something like this, with cyberdevil Jarvis included:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWZ4E6aR4Vg

Eh, still too clunky to be that useful in my view.

If anything the better option for him would be something to help him move around or escape close combat.

His coat is already bullshit tough and he's unlikely to get a strength boost of real value out of briefcase armor. Especially since most of his kit can't really use it.

If he trusted it enough and it wouldn't screw up his magic enchanted cybernetics would probably be the closest equivalent option.

Enhanced muscular, skeletal, and tendon systems to allow for faster movements or something like that. Really doubt he'd be on board for it though.

in terms of what we might get him to accept bound summon items containing murder monsters to make getting in his face unpleasant are probably the best bet.

Easy to conceal, something we can leverage his own skills in the build process of so he'll actually be inclined to trust it, and doesn't require a glass canon (by supernatural standards) to get into melee combat.

I think you are missing the point- I don't want to give him a lightsaber to use in battle, I want to give him a lightsaber because he is a huge Star Wars fan and he would probably act like Christmas came early and start using random star wars quotes while holding it.

That's only marginally safer since it doesn't involve using it under fire. Playing with it would probably involve hospital time.

In terms of useful stuff, Electrolasers are a pretty old idea. Something that can be dialed from taser to human bug zapper would be helpful for when Dresden has to fight mortal goons he doesn't want to kill mixed with heavy duty bruisers he can't take with low level force. A sutra that auto adjusted the power based on the target would make it even more effective.

We could dress it up to look like Han's blaster or something.
In regards to almost immediate benefits our allies might have from our kingdom, I think it's not military hardware that's going to be most useful, but police one. Stuff like bodycam implants with high fidelity, and ability to see in infrared, fingerprint scanners, etc. Both to Harry as a detective, and to Murphy as a cop (if we ever give some to her) there's going to be a lot of invaluable stuff.
We should probably give some thought to how we're going to pay for it.

We can probably make them give us stuff, but I at least would prefer if we gave some semblance of return where we can. At the very least a reward system for people who cooperate with us.

Yeah bob never said those worlds were in the nevernever and we already know there must be different versions of even the nevernever seeing as a book where harry not the winter knight is gonna come out. They aren't like fake dream worlds or anything these are fully realized worlds in canon.

Edit: Also you know they could just put a stun option on it right fairly sure even star wars lightsabers had settings or something.
The only thing Bob specified was that you could find anything, and the examples he used were of things shaped by the mortal world's ideas.

On the stun thing, it wasn't a mode so much as a different type of saber. They had training modes that hurt but didn't actually cut, but the real ones didn't have that functionality.
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Does this include contrasting earth and the nevernever against the FFCF @DragonParadox or would that need to be written in?
 
Maybe, but it seems like a lot of effort for a gimmick toy thats actively a bad idea to use.

In fairness "because the demiurge felt like being acausal today" is a considerably less stupid position than using incomplete and largely irrelevant genealogy to try measuring the age of the planet.


Eh, still too clunky to be that useful in my view.

If anything the better option for him would be something to help him move around or escape close combat.

His coat is already bullshit tough and he's unlikely to get a strength boost of real value out of briefcase armor. Especially since most of his kit can't really use it.

If he trusted it enough and it wouldn't screw up his magic enchanted cybernetics would probably be the closest equivalent option.

Enhanced muscular, skeletal, and tendon systems to allow for faster movements or something like that. Really doubt he'd be on board for it though.

in terms of what we might get him to accept bound summon items containing murder monsters to make getting in his face unpleasant are probably the best bet.

Easy to conceal, something we can leverage his own skills in the build process of so he'll actually be inclined to trust it, and doesn't require a glass canon (by supernatural standards) to get into melee combat.



That's only marginally safer since it doesn't involve using it under fire. Playing with it would probably involve hospital time.

In terms of useful stuff, Electrolasers are a pretty old idea. Something that can be dialed from taser to human bug zapper would be helpful for when Dresden has to fight mortal goons he doesn't want to kill mixed with heavy duty bruisers he can't take with low level force. A sutra that auto adjusted the power based on the target would make it even more effective.

We could dress it up to look like Han's blaster or something.

We should probably give some thought to how we're going to pay for it.

We can probably make them give us stuff, but I at least would prefer if we gave some semblance of return where we can. At the very least a reward system for people who cooperate with us.


The only thing Bob specified was that you could find anything, and the examples he used were of things shaped by the mortal world's ideas.

On the stun thing, it wasn't a mode so much as a different type of saber. They had training modes that hurt but didn't actually cut, but the real ones didn't have that functionality.
[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate


Does this include contrasting earth and the nevernever against the FFCF @DragonParadox or would that need to be written in?
and butcher has said there are infinite parallel worlds. These worlds being earth and yet also still being out of the nevernever are both canon. Like maybe you can reach them from there but at the very least their not all IN the nevernever since butchers next book will be both canon and in another earth. Also how there would be multiple arctis tor and other nevernever places with their own versions of the main books inhabitants.
 
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We should probably give some thought to how we're going to pay for it.

We can probably make them give us stuff, but I at least would prefer if we gave some semblance of return where we can. At the very least a reward system for people who cooperate with us.
We almost surely have at least some level of funds available to us by default in our kingdom. We are a head of state, even if it's likely partially symbolic

1) Having a stipend as a monarch is kinda expected. In Molly's situation it's basically our subjects paying rent.
2) We are already providing a service beyond symbolic - abeyance of radioactive cancer is public health service provided by Molly to her subjects. But leaving that aside because it's involuntary
3) We could use Lord of the Land in beneficial ways and get paid for that
4) Several charms (some We have, some we don't, like the one that makes broken things work) scale well and can provide a source of revenue.
5) Wonder forging, once we have the appropriate charm. In our kingdom we can lead large scale projects impossible on Earth. City gods and such could also be created (we need second and third circle devas after all).
6) providing media and cultural materials from outside and in general facilitating interaction with the outside world, essentially acting as the ambassador

In summary, on a personal level our funds should pretty much be unlimited - there's no level of expenditure that could be spent on functional personal equipment that would even be noticed by a world government. For larger things we have options.
 
Maybe, but it seems like a lot of effort for a gimmick toy thats actively a bad idea to use.

In fairness "because the demiurge felt like being acausal today" is a considerably less stupid position than using incomplete and largely irrelevant genealogy to try measuring the age of the planet.


Eh, still too clunky to be that useful in my view.

If anything the better option for him would be something to help him move around or escape close combat.

His coat is already bullshit tough and he's unlikely to get a strength boost of real value out of briefcase armor. Especially since most of his kit can't really use it.

If he trusted it enough and it wouldn't screw up his magic enchanted cybernetics would probably be the closest equivalent option.

Enhanced muscular, skeletal, and tendon systems to allow for faster movements or something like that. Really doubt he'd be on board for it though.

in terms of what we might get him to accept bound summon items containing murder monsters to make getting in his face unpleasant are probably the best bet.

Easy to conceal, something we can leverage his own skills in the build process of so he'll actually be inclined to trust it, and doesn't require a glass canon (by supernatural standards) to get into melee combat.



That's only marginally safer since it doesn't involve using it under fire. Playing with it would probably involve hospital time.

In terms of useful stuff, Electrolasers are a pretty old idea. Something that can be dialed from taser to human bug zapper would be helpful for when Dresden has to fight mortal goons he doesn't want to kill mixed with heavy duty bruisers he can't take with low level force. A sutra that auto adjusted the power based on the target would make it even more effective.

We could dress it up to look like Han's blaster or something.

We should probably give some thought to how we're going to pay for it.

We can probably make them give us stuff, but I at least would prefer if we gave some semblance of return where we can. At the very least a reward system for people who cooperate with us.


The only thing Bob specified was that you could find anything, and the examples he used were of things shaped by the mortal world's ideas.

On the stun thing, it wasn't a mode so much as a different type of saber. They had training modes that hurt but didn't actually cut, but the real ones didn't have that functionality.
[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate


Does this include contrasting earth and the nevernever against the FFCF @DragonParadox or would that need to be written in?
We did just cure 100 million+ beings of cancer so I'd say we've already done a lot. Not to mention the other advantages of mercy in servitude for over a billion. Also you know we did create this world even if on accident that should while not give us entitlement maybe a bit of appreciation.
 
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We should probably give some thought to how we're going to pay for it.

We can probably make them give us stuff, but I at least would prefer if we gave some semblance of return where we can. At the very least a reward system for people who cooperate with us.
Molly is basically the messiah to these people. Second even just Molly taking a single day to lead a resource expedition into the wastes would allow for more more raw material gathering then months, or years without her aid.
The only thing Bob specified was that you could find anything, and the examples he used were of things shaped by the mortal world's ideas.
You can find anything, but does not make it real.
 
Molly is basically the messiah to these people. Second even just Molly taking a single day to lead a resource expedition into the wastes would allow for more more raw material gathering then months, or years without her aid.

You can find anything, but does not make it real.
butchers already said there are infinite parallel worlds and the next book is literally in one. So unless we assume the next book is a fever dream in the nevernever not everything is in the nevernever but there are worlds out there beyond it if possibly connected.
 
butchers already said there are infinite parallel worlds and the next book is literally in one. So unless we assume the next book is a fever dream in the nevernever not everything is in the nevernever but there are worlds out there beyond it if possibly connected.
DP has already explained, multiple times, that is not the case for this quest's setting, so it doesn't really matter what Butcher has said on the subject.
 
and butcher has said there are infinite parallel worlds. These worlds being earth and yet also still being out of the nevernever are both canon. Like maybe you can reach them from there but at the very least their not all IN the nevernever since butchers next book will be both canon and in another earth. Also how there would be multiple arctis tor and other nevernever places with their own versions of the main books inhabitants.
No, the parallel earths are different than the stuff in the spirit world. His WoG talks about them as completely distinct variants of the same core setting.

This is all irrelevant though since it doesn't apply to quest.

We almost surely have at least some level of funds available to us by default in our kingdom. We are a head of state, even if it's likely partially symbolic

1) Having a stipend as a monarch is kinda expected. In Molly's situation it's basically our subjects paying rent.
2) We are already providing a service beyond symbolic - abeyance of radioactive cancer is public health service provided by Molly to her subjects. But leaving that aside because it's involuntary
3) We could use Lord of the Land in beneficial ways and get paid for that
4) Several charms (some We have, some we don't, like the one that makes broken things work) scale well and can provide a source of revenue.
5) Wonder forging, once we have the appropriate charm. In our kingdom we can lead large scale projects impossible on Earth. City gods and such could also be created (we need second and third circle devas after all).
6) providing media and cultural materials from outside and in general facilitating interaction with the outside world, essentially acting as the ambassador

In summary, on a personal level our funds should pretty much be unlimited - there's no level of expenditure that could be spent on functional personal equipment that would even be noticed by a world government. For larger things we have options.
olly is basically the messiah to these people. Second even just Molly taking a single day to lead a resource expedition into the wastes would allow for more more raw material gathering then months, or years without her aid.
Yeah I get that we have these options, I just wanted to make a point that we should be thinking about actually doing them.

An informal setup is fine too. Selling answers to prayers is tacky, but I'd feel much batter about taking taxes if we provided a public service. Though the rent thing is definitely a decent argument and worth taking at least something. We should just be reasonable about it.

We don't have to, they certainly aren't likely to complain, but it's the little things that make a difference over a long period of time and we want a good relationship with our people.

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Removed hanging vote
 
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Wow fomori are stronger in a fight then I would have expected. Mass produced and better in a fight then the average ghoul or Wamp. It's a crime that we have been losing the minion war constantly.
 
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No, the parallel earths are different than the stuff in the spirit world. His WoG talks about them as completely distinct variants of the same core setting.

This is all irrelevant though since it doesn't apply to quest.



Yeah I get that we have these options, I just wanted to make a point that we should be thinking about actually doing them.

An informal setup is fine too. Selling answers to prayers is tacky, but I'd feel much batter about taking taxes if we provided a public service. Though the rent thing is definitely a decent argument and worth taking at least something. We should just be reasonable about it.

We don't have to, they certainly aren't likely to complain, but it's the little things that make a difference over a long period of time and we want a good relationship with our people.
Isn't that what I said? uh nvm not important. As for selling services I don't think we should play it like that we are their empress act like it. Ask them for things and do good things for them don't make it transactional as far as I'm concerned. They support us and we support them as we can I think. Like not to the level of exploitation but usually big asks for them should be fine.
 
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Just translating introductions without context is only going to create even more confusion. Michael especially.
 
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Not a lot of votes.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Aug 15, 2023 at 9:26 PM, finished with 112 posts and 16 votes.

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    [X] Just translate for Harry and dad introducing themselves, you can cover the shape of the cosmos later
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    -[x][Stunt]You know how the Scholars of the City of Scrolls call this world Sanctuary? Well the outside world is very dangerous place where people die the final death just by being killed. When I created this world it was with the idea of making the safest place possible and I have reason to think that I succeeded.
 
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