Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Huh, yeah I missed a zero here and there, and looking at it now it's almost the opposite, which feels kinda weird. Mega cities feel a lot less 'mega' with so much open space.
I mean, there are absolutely parts with super-scyscrapers. Centers of industry and research and the like. But I very deliberately didn't want overpopulation and worked on it.

The analogy I would use is a black hole. The larger it is, the lower it's density. The average density of a supermassive black hole is less than that of water:
It is somewhat counterintuitive to note that the average density of a SMBH within its event horizon (defined as the mass of the black hole divided by the volume of space within its Schwarzschild radius) can be less than the density of water.[14] This is because the Schwarzschild radius (�s{\displaystyle r_{\text{s}}} ) is directly proportional to its mass. Since the volume of a spherical object (such as the event horizon of a non-rotating black hole) is directly proportional to the cube of the radius, the density of a black hole is inversely proportional to the square of the mass, and thus higher mass black holes have lower average density.[15]
 
By the by, some quick math and assuming 90% of the population is within the city's, at 900 million per city, the population density is over 10 times higher then any city on earth- not an over pop problem with futuristic architecture ofc, but I wouldn't even want to imaging what it would be like at 50bil instead of 5bil
Actually still fine cause they can build up and down.
 
Very true. Obviously Molly's arrival is going to be a huge deal on various social and religious grounds, but as I understand it the place is much closer to a utopia than Dresden's earth by a LONG shot and not just because it lacks the Dresdenverse's monsters.

Molly will inevitably make changes, but it's probably a good idea to leave as much power as possible in the hands of those who have made responsible use of it up to this point rather than just grabbing for more control willy-nilly. If we find a problem, then maybe start interfering. She'll have her hands full with just the responsibilities already put on her by the religious position anyway.
I do believe its had its own monsters over the years of course people can be randomly mutated here to some degree, there are dragons, the wastes have monsters, and there are long forgotten things in the prison. Also you know evil wizards and shit in the past and spirits I just think their fake history has an objectively long ass time and overall less divisive things in the world to fuck them over. So tens of thousands of years of history and they eventually united.
 
Oh, it's not a hugely serious thing with Eternal Suffering, but the Gruvel/dragons have a bit of a self-causing cancer problem, which is something Mercy in Servitude can help with. I don't know exactly how many of them will suddenly have this happen, at the very least loyal priests and royal guards and the like would suddenly never have cancer in their lifetimes though.
 
Oh, it's not a hugely serious thing with Eternal Suffering, but the Gruvel/dragons have a bit of a self-causing cancer problem, which is something Mercy in Servitude can help with. I don't know exactly how many of them will suddenly have this happen, at the very least loyal priests and royal guards and the like would suddenly never have cancer in their lifetimes though.
a LARGE majority of the population is fiercely loyal so I'd say a lot it doesn't even require all that much loyalty in the first place just service in our name really. The thing doesn't seem to cost us sooo at least billions?
 
Wow thinking about it we're already gonna have an immediate impact on billions of people in our hell. Mind you many of them will barely notice mercy in servitude but for those that it does its very very useful. Like it may require us to make a statement but something vague and broad like improve your communities and our civilization might be enough. It is OUR civilization after all.
 
Huh, yeah I missed a zero here and there, and looking at it now it's almost the opposite, which feels kinda weird. Mega cities feel a lot less 'mega' with so much open space.
The fact that the surface area of the Five-Fold Courts of Fate is 'only' a bit less than 2/5 of the surface area of the earth doesn't mean much when 7/10 of the surface area of the earth is actually covered by water and much of that is not especially habitable being desert or impassable mountains or swamp. Even the 'narrow' band of especially habitable land in FFCoF is 'narrow' in the sense that the distance between the edges of the habitable band is a little less than half the distance between New York City and Chicago.

The NYC metropolitan area is 12,093 square kilometers. Each mega-city is 193,000 square kilometers - as big as New York state, New Jersey, and New Hampshire put together. Only all the land in the megacity is presumably very habitable land.

It's kind of mind-boggling. On earth, the issue with overpopulation lies more with pollution and nitrogen fixation than it does with viable area for people to live, none of those appear to be issues in the FFCoF. I'm glad it's 'only' five billion inhabitants, but it could have plausibly been fifty billion without a problem.
 
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The fact that the surface area of the Five-Fold Courts of Fate is 'only' a bit less than 2/5 of the surface area of the earth doesn't mean much when 7/10 of the surface area of the earth is actually covered by water and much of that is not especially habitable being desert or impassable mountains or swamp. Even the 'narrow' band of especially habitable land in FFCoF is 'narrow' in the sense that the distance between the edges is a little less than half the distance between New York City and Chicago.

It's kind of mind-boggling. On earth, the issue with overpopulation lies more with pollution and nitrogen fixation than it does with viable area for people to live, neither of those appear to be issues in the FFCoF. I'm glad it's 'only' five billion inhabitants, but it could have plausibly been fifty billion without a problem.
Pretty much we could likely increase our population ten fold and find no problems and by then mundane fixes for problems when its triples again after that will have been found. Like better arcologies. But, obviously if we survive that long and aren't a devil tiger well we're already dead and if we aren't we can fix whatever problem like that we want most likely.
 
Oh, it's not a hugely serious thing with Eternal Suffering, but the Gruvel/dragons have a bit of a self-causing cancer problem, which is something Mercy in Servitude can help with. I don't know exactly how many of them will suddenly have this happen, at the very least loyal priests and royal guards and the like would suddenly never have cancer in their lifetimes though.

Everyone who is part of the Covenant is technically doing service in your name. Infernal Exaltation being what it is it considers 'worship' and 'service' interchangeable. After all the reason the Primordials made mortals of all kinds was to provide Essence for the Games of Divinity via prayer.

So yeah, a large scale miracle is about to take place confirming Molly's divinity beyond a shadow of a doubt
 
Everyone who is part of the Covenant is technically doing service in your name. Infernal Exaltation being what it is it considers 'worship' and 'service' interchangeable. After all the reason the Primordials made mortals of all kinds was to provide Essence for the Games of Divinity via prayer.

So yeah, a large scale miracle is about to take place confirming Molly's divinity beyond a shadow of a doubt
man exalted just kicks the shit out of conservation of energy it makes me wonder how we could live in a low essence world when essence by its nature kinda just keeps making more at least exalted do.
 
The fact that the surface area of the Five-Fold Courts of Fate is 'only' a bit less than 2/5 of the surface area of the earth doesn't mean much when 7/10 of the surface area of the earth is actually covered by water and much of that is not especially habitable being desert or impassable mountains or swamp. Even the 'narrow' band of especially habitable land in FFCoF is 'narrow' in the sense that the distance between the edges of the habitable band is a little less than half the distance between New York City and Chicago.

The NYC metropolitan area is 12,093 square kilometers. Each mega-city is 193,000 square kilometers - as big as New York state, New Jersey, and New Hampshire put together. Only all the land in the megacity is presumably very habitable land.

It's kind of mind-boggling. On earth, the issue with overpopulation lies more with pollution and nitrogen fixation than it does with viable area for people to live, none of those appear to be issues in the FFCoF. I'm glad it's 'only' five billion inhabitants, but it could have plausibly been fifty billion without a problem.
Relevant infographic is relevant


So divide by roughly 8 because this is 7 billion people instead of 5 and one city instead of 5.

But do note that these cities are going to include a lot of physical infrastructure ours simply don't. They include ALL agricultural space. Sure vertical farming saves a ton of space per output, but we currently put all that space outside our cities. The 5 cities don't have that luxury. They need to account for all food production within the city.

Wow thinking about it we're already gonna have an immediate impact on billions of people in our hell. Mind you many of them will barely notice mercy in servitude but for those that it does its very very useful. Like it may require us to make a statement but something vague and broad like improve your communities and our civilization might be enough. It is OUR civilization after all.
Immediate or retroactive? I don't think we need to extend our protection deliberately. I think it just happens. It's possible that our coming was foreshadowed by our blessing going active and everyone is waiting in excitement for the homecoming of the Queen.

(though the fact that the dust covers in the throne room have not been removed suggests otherwise. One would think that if you expect your queen to suddenly show up sometime in the next 100 years or so you tidy the place up and just run a maid rotation to keep it nice)
 
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Relevant infographic is relevant


So divide by roughly 8 because this is 7 billion people instead of 5 and one city instead of 5.

But do note that these cities are going to include a lot of physical infrastructure ours simply don't. They include ALL agricultural space. Sure vertical farming saves a ton of space per output, but we currently put all that space outside our cities. The 5 cities don't have that luxury. They need to account for all food production within the city.


Immediate or retroactive? I don't think we need to extend our protection deliberately. I think it just happens. It's possible that our coming was foreshadowed by our blessing going active and everyone is waiting in excitement for the homecoming of the Queen.
thats not how it should work so I find the idea our power is retroactive stupid. Like we don't have any temporal powers the history of our world is now set without time travel and it should stay that way. What happens from the moment we enter should continue to happen after we came in.
 
thats not how it should work so I find the idea our power is retroactive stupid. Like we don't have any temporal powers the history of our world is now set without time travel and it should stay that way.
Not retroactive in that time was changed.

Retroactive in that they are in our soul. US showing up shouldn't trigger the power. We are already the entire world in many ways.

Retroactive in the sense that the blessing should have gone active the moment we took the charm and applied to everyone in our hell who works in our service.
 
Not retroactive in that time was changed.

Retroactive in that they are in our soul. US showing up shouldn't trigger the power. We are already the entire world in many ways.

Retroactive in the sense that the blessing should have gone active the moment we took the charm and applied to everyone in our hell who works in our service.
Yes that means it should of triggered a few minutes ago? The world should soon notice.
 
Immediate or retroactive? I don't think we need to extend our protection deliberately. I think it just happens. It's possible that our coming was foreshadowed by our blessing going active and everyone is waiting in excitement for the homecoming of the Queen.

(though the fact that the dust covers in the throne room have not been removed suggests otherwise. One would think that if you expect your queen to suddenly show up sometime in the next 100 years or so you tidy the place up and just run a maid rotation to keep it nice)

Immediate, though they were worshiping you before, even then you already had MiS the instance of Molly that is in charge of who gets Mercy in Servitude did not know that. You see that is a bit of an inefficiency from the Exaltation still reading her as human in some ways, which is had to in order for you to hold it at all.
 
Lets make a villainous speech about giving our mercy to our people. :p

DP the palace has a place for broadcasts to the 5 cities right and maybe even some towns?
 
I feel like the vote is pretty much decided right now, but I'll still go for

[X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.

I just don't think anything else is in Molly's character, especially not "Imma go sit on the fancy chair!"
E: (Even though I agree it's the most dramatically appropriate action :p )

Usum looks much as when you had last seen him, androgynous, beautiful, thoughtlessly graceful in every movement.
Is there any art of Usum in the thread? We don't have a media section so, having joined relatively recently, idk how active this thread is when it comes to character art and stuff.
I laughed out loud. Wanted you to know that.
 
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[x] Plan Taking Charge and Status Report
-[x] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl
--[x] Have Usum (or someone else, if someone more suitable for the task arrives in the interim) command for healers to be brought to the throne room to attend to Alec and Izzy, and particularly to look for any nasty surprises the Naagloshii may have left (curses, toxins, etc.)
---[x] Have them inform her immediately if there is any change in their condition, including anything that would herald them regaining consciousness.
--[x] While she waits, ask Usum (or if someone like a minister or something arrives, ask them) if there is anything that requires her immediate attention, as well as for a brief summary of the current goings-on within the Fivefold Courts.


We don't know where the medical facilities are, whereas the healers would very likely know exactly where the Throne Room is.

Unfortunately I don't really have any ideas for a stunt.
 
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I feel like the vote is pretty much decided right now, but I'll still go for

[X] First thing's first, get Izzy and Alec to some kind of medical facility, you can deal with the rest of this later.

I just don't think anything else is in Molly's character, especially not "Imma go sit on the fancy chair!"


Is there any art of Usum in the thread? We don't have a media section so, having joined relatively recently, idk how active this thread is when it comes to character art and stuff.

I laughed out loud. Wanted you to know that.
part of the thought on sitting on the chair is when someone inevitably arrives here within two minutes they'll know we are their queen.
 
Lets make a villainous speech about giving our mercy to our people. :p

DP the palace has a place for broadcasts to the 5 cities right and maybe even some towns?

Yes, yes it does, indeed you have cameras installed in the throne room in expectation for the Arrival. While they did not have a date, they did have an obvious location for where it would happen, not specifically that you are going to step out of the air, but they at least knew you would have to claim your throne.
 
Yes, yes it does, indeed you have cameras installed in the throne room in expectation for the Arrival. While they did not have a date, they did have an obvious location for where it would happen, not specifically that you are going to step out of the air, but they at least knew you would have to claim your throne.
delightful and this works for me.
[x] Plan Taking Charge and Status Report
 
Its probably safe to assume the throne is cursed for anyone whose not us right? Since you know no ones presumably tried to use it in recorded history and named themselves queen of the crystal palace?
 
[X] Ascend the Throne, he's right you can handle the rest of this later, but if people are waiting, if people are watching they should see a ruler, not a confused girl
 
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