Meaning that it will set them on fire but won't significantly pain them?
Then even more reason to use something that focuses on heat projection instead of targeting the human nervous system.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Then even more reason to use something that focuses on heat projection instead of targeting the human nervous system.
It already exists. Wikipedia quotes:
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[X] As Donar Vadderung, Head of Monoc Security
It's only courteous, and our mother and Usum have taught us well.
It's only courteous, and our mother and Usum have taught us well.
We should present Daniel the options, and let him choose maybe? I still think it would be better for him not to try and be a pale imitation of MIchael / Molly's swordfighting aspect, but his own thing.
[X] As Kris Kringle, The Gift-Giver, The Toy-Maker, The Old Elf of The North Pole and Master of The Workshop.
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I know it exists. It is not being used, whether because of practical issues, problems in edge cases or even ethical considerations (yeah, right).
An Exalted improved design of this systems would likely do away with all the reasons why it isn't used except the ethical ones.
My point is that the world would be much worse off if such design becomes widely available, and Molly shouldn't be willing to take that risk.
Again, whether we talk about Klingon Agonizers, Asimov's Neural Whips, Harry Potter Crucio spells, etc, the ability to directly inflict pain on the nervous system has always been portrayed as fundamentally evil, and Molly should be aware of it.
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-[X] the lefthanded wrench next
Someone put it up as a joke, but I legitimately like it. Treat him casually as a friendly equal, and invite him to get involved. Plus, it's crafting time. If you can't pass a wrench, then what are you doing in the workshop?
-[X] the lefthanded wrench next
Someone put it up as a joke, but I legitimately like it. Treat him casually as a friendly equal, and invite him to get involved. Plus, it's crafting time. If you can't pass a wrench, then what are you doing in the workshop?
I'm not sure how stolen that was. I wouldn't be shocked at all if that one was as given as it gets with Mother Winter.
And that set of artifacts was specifically set up for someone to claim.
Tear gas can cause permanent damage, especially to the eyes with prolonged exposure.
But capsaicin is basically harmless besides the body's own reaction to the heat and irritation it tricks the body into experiencing.
It does about as much damage as prolonged microwave exposure would do.
I would argue that maintaining a sophisticated microwave beam would require more resources and personnel than just concentrating what is effectively chilli juice, you don't need a great deal of equipment or expertise to extract what you need.
People make insane hotsauces in their home kitchen after all and you can easily pressurise liquids into portable tanks.
It's not any lack of capability that keeps monsters from doing such things to dissidents, it's just that they want the physical beat down more than they want easy crowd incapacitation.
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Because we are about to ask for a present for our siblings.
Because we are about to ask for a present for our siblings.
It's not lack of guns that keep people from killing other people, but they make it much easier.
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Capsaicin is harmless... if you are extremely careful about the concentrations people are exposed to. Capsaicin can cause significant damage to soft tissue in high concentrations.
The thing is that capsaicin is dissolved in oil. It's not like tear gas. It's not a gas. It's a suspended droplet and the dosage that matters is not the amount of capsaicin in a given cubic foot of air but the amount of capsaicin in a given amount of oil. This makes capsaicin very controllable as you don't need to worry about buildup. The body does not actually absorb capsaicin through the soft tissue. The reaction happens at the surface and once the surface is coated adding more capsaicin laced oil does not increase the reaction. Once someone's face is thoroughly pepper sprayed additional spray does nothing.
Because of this fact you can control maximum exposure by controlling the ratio of carrier oil to capsaicin at the deployment level and don't need to worry about diffusion into a deployment area like tear gas.
But if you inhale droplets of capsaicin laced oil into the lungs and they have too much capsaicin you can put someone into lethal distress. The soft tissue of the throat swells and the person cannot breathe. In extreme cases just sufficiently large amounts of oil droplets inhaled can put someone into distress. Your lungs don't work when the bronchial structures are oiled.
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Careful Molly, your Primordial is showing.
Yes, hmm:
That's one way to put it.
Famous last words.
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Updated the ring build, improving the AI to Arcana 5, because why not? Added Superior Poise and raised Charisma to 6. Might switch to expertise - narratively it works better, but my inner munchkin objects to using Arcana Features for things as simple as ability points.
Hmm, if we are able to afford buying exalted craft this turn (in addition to the kingdom), we should think about making Christmas presents with it, as AP spend action. I have some idea for minor (2 to 3 dots) splendors for people. I'll have to think about it.
And it was said already that your assertions "everyone will look down on us for using the souls and bodies of people we were killing anyway" is wrong. Many factions would actually approve, including factions we already ally with.
You are ignoring first part of the charm's description and the name. Murder nourishes us. Nourishment = eating. It's quite clear that we consume something of what we kill. But ok, I'll drop that part. It's still a permanent destruction of the soul. No afterlife, no promise of bodily resurrection (the cornerstone of Christianity), no last judgement. You can't do worse to a person than this in christianity. And Molly is ok with that. So, I don't buy that she won't use souls as crafting materials. At least not souls of people she was already killing and considering MiMing.
It's an artifact, and the mortal user is part of said artifact, not just a user. Yes, the artifact could probably be reconstructed, but at that point it's probably easier to make a new one from scratch.
At best, assuming we accept White Court's legitimacy to pass judgement and make laws, we were a state-sanctioned executioner. At best this was a premeditated vigilante justice mass murder.
Why did you ignore the first sentence? It states clearly that MiM activates every time a sentient being is killed. Normally those don't leave ghosts behind, but if they did, second part of MiM would activate.
But this is not canon Daniel. He is in fact very different. Due to being Lydia's boyfriend he became much more occult oriented, trying to learn magic, and it also likely has to do with Molly. In canon Molly was a pure mage, so being a sword fighter could be his own thing. Here, Molly is a transcendentally good swordswoman and regularly fights evil with her flaming sword. Hence Daniel seeking something else. He might still go for the sword, but I think we should ask first.
The best recipients for the ring, I think, would be either Rosie, if she wanted to go questing with us (because Oneiromancy), Murphy (because the ring, as built, with an AI, is a supreme investigative tool bar none, and it would actually let her punch in the major leagues, plus Green Lanterns are cops), or Dresden (because, again, investigative tool).
Hmm, if we are able to afford buying exalted craft this turn (in addition to the kingdom), we should think about making Christmas presents with it, as AP spend action. I have some idea for minor (2 to 3 dots) splendors for people. I'll have to think about it.
The danger of theft is overblown, I feel, because
And, again, the mortal user is literally a part of the splendor. The splendor is built as their hero's shadow. Chances are, if taken away and kept away, the splendor would simply stop working.
It's also one of the steps to negate techbane, the thing keeping White Council from, if not winning, then at least gaining significant power boosts.
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Perhaps Mouse?
He could even wear a domino mask to hide his identity from onlookers.
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Also, I'm not concerned so much about actual theft as I am the idea of it. If we give someone a ring that provides them with significant power, whether it can be successfully stolen or not doesn't matter to anyone who sees it and covets that power.
Much better for the power to appear to originate with the person rather than an item they are wielding, for a number of reasons.
Mouse is already the most powerful character in the setting. Nothing can resist the power of good dogo borks.Perhaps Mouse?
He could even wear a domino mask to hide his identity from onlookers.
I don't agree.
As has been said, there are lots of options for this already. If all else fails and you're willing to do this then you could also just kill them all too.
It looks bad in movies, but morality tales from Hollywood aren't always thought out well.
This isn't inherently any better or worse than any other weapon, because people invariably get hurt when you choose to attack them.
The whole point of this idea is to try to control how much they get hurt so that you can ensure more people survive. It looks nasty because the whole topic is nasty cover to cover.
If your goal is simply to inflict suffering there are better, cheaper, and easier to access mechanisms that have been used for years.
Ones that are just as obvious evidence wise, since this leaves witnesses unless you kill them all anyway.
He's not going to stack up either way, but I legitimately think he'll do better with one than the other*.
I'm less worried about Olivia now since it's been clarified she isn't a couch potato, but she still isn't a melee fighter and her best skills don't benefit from it.
* worth noting that he'd actually be pretty good at this. Assuming 3 dex/strength and 3 melee, representing someone good enough to be in a fight but not particularly outstanding, he's rolling 6 dice.
With Certiorari that's mostly against difficulty 4, he doesn't botch and gets either a single guaranteed success on anything he does unopposed with a sword or +2 successes when opposed. 2/3rds of the time he's going to roll 4+ successes, boosted to 6. That's pretty damn good, competitive with Molly when she's not burning excellency for it. As is he can solidly counter mooks and play tag with the next league. 1-2 more dice and he's in the "stay out of reach" range for a lot of things.
It also doesn't account for the powers that the will of Kakuri already put in the blade that we haven't gotten a report on yet. The processes we're applying to it don't actually remove the base item's power, so Daniel should get to use whatever nonsense is already present too.
That clause about never failing unopposed rolls shouldn't be underestimated either. As a core ability of the blade it's the sort of thing he should absolutely abuse the shit out of.
If he can figure out how to theoretically make his sword maybe do something he gets the basics technically successful result. Cut out of a sealed steel box? Sure. Cut a brick wall in just the right way to collapse it on someone, or behind him as terrain hazards for followers? Probably. Get at least 2 points of active defense against things he shouldn't be able to, like bullets? He gets successes in anything possible regardless of how improbable it is, so why not?
The more creative he gets with making things technically count in the one area he can't fail that aren't combat the more bullshit he can be.
Fortunately for him he's got a ride along spirit with the ability to see the future in multiple different ways and superhuman intelligence to help him min-max. Lose track of him for a moment and he could very well show up in the one place that a sword which a sword that can't fail even the most ridiculous effort without the effort of a thinking opponent can screw up their plan.
Things haven't changed until fairly recently in his life. He's already built to wield a sword at this point. As a mortal he has very little room to backtrack and get anywhere on a relevant time table.
Just to be clear, since you were arguing another this earlier, splendors survive the death of their owners and are automatically transferred to anyone who kills them:
This isn't a reason not to use them though. We can take steps to make them useless for anyone who does this, and there aren't many other credible options for making mortals not suck on a short time table that have reasonable consequences.
To be fair, this is the DF and not DND.
Artifacts can be and are stolen, but the ones with real power tend to have tricks that make taking them dicey if you don't know exactly what you're getting into.
Stuff like the spirit inside getting pissed and doing things to you when you try to use it, which we can actually arrange for.
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We have to kill people for those, 3 dots in particular is where they get spicy. 1-2 at most, because we can technically do stuff like target the weakest people who technically count as elder vamps for example.
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Because there's a serious case that Molly can't destroy the soul of a person in the Christian sense, at all, as in it's literally impossible. The soul is also written in the book of life in Heaven. (Possibly a separate book of the wicked too, depending on how one reads certain passages.) Whatever you're stabbing, whatever immaterial stuff you're eating, it's not erasing what's written in the book.
It's sort of like going to a theatre, murdering all the actors, and incinerating their bodies - you still haven't destroyed Hamlet. No amount of angry Exalted power applied at one theater is going to destroy the play, because it's targeting the wrong place.
Ehhhh, the metaphysics here is slightly unclear, "soul" is one of those words that fantasy settings sometimes use as technobabble plot filler, and crossovers end up talking about two different things with the same word. I have been grumbling about this for a while.
Because there's a serious case that Molly can't destroy the soul of a person in the Christian sense, at all, as in it's literally impossible. The soul is also written in the book of life in Heaven. (Possibly a separate book of the wicked too, depending on how one reads certain passages.) Whatever you're stabbing, whatever immaterial stuff you're eating, it's not erasing what's written in the book.
It's sort of like going to a theatre, murdering all the actors, and incinerating their bodies - you still haven't destroyed Hamlet. No amount of angry Exalted power applied at one theater is going to destroy the play, because it's targeting the wrong place.