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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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fictionfan said:
Why would that matter? The criteria for detection is standing in the presence of a COD which we are. It wouldn't matter if they had all the forces of heaven between us.
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Because you are not in the presence of Lash, she is not interacting with the environment in any way shape or form, she is entirely internal to a being that HC does not work on

BronzeTongue said:
That's was sort of a bad metaphor on my part.

In terms of nationality I was thinking about how for all his troubles he still respects the council and believes in its mission, so the prospect of a new shadow war against it would be particularly unsettling.

I agree that he doesn't exactly view other mortals as outsiders or something, but being a wizard is a cornerstone of his identity. Seems to me that something targeted specifically at erasing them from humanity would press his buttons in multiple different ways that "standard" violence wouldn't.
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Yeah if they were murdering While Council Wizards that would be like a lawyer hearing about a serial killer who targets lawyers, they are targeting people who... have a slight predisposition to the practice of professions like law. This is another aspect of the distance the council creates between Wizards and other talents. To Harry people like Doctor Jackson are not his peers in magic, they are fellow humans the same as so someone with no magical talent because they do not partake of the culture of wizardry. He even calls it out in Summer Knight, being a wizard to him is like being a knight, now he is a knight in shinning armor for various reasons, but that is still the context he is working under. He has not had the White Night character development, hasn't helped with Paranet, that is still ahead of us.
 
DragonParadox said:
Because you are not in the presence of Lash, she is not interacting with the environment in any way shape or form, she is entirely internal to a being that HC does not work on
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Does she see though Dresden's eyes and see though his ears? Because if so we are certainly in her presence and Molly keeps getting reminded of her presence by Harry reactions.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Because you are not in the presence of Lash, she is not interacting with the environment in any way shape or form, she is entirely internal to a being that HC does not work on



Yeah if they were murdering While Council Wizards that would be like a lawyer hearing about a serial killer who targets lawyers, they are targeting people who... have a slight predisposition to the practice of professions like law. This is another aspect of the distance the council creates between Wizards and other talents. To Harry people like Doctor Jackson are not his peers in magic, they are fellow humans the same as so someone with no magical talent because they do not partake of the culture of wizardry. He even calls it out in Summer Knight, being a wizard to him is like being a knight, now he is a knight in shinning armor for various reasons, but that is still the context he is working under. He has not had the White Night character development, hasn't helped with Paranet, that is still ahead of us.
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Not trying to quibble too much here, and I can see where you're coming from.

It just seems to me that, to extend your metaphor a bit, the intent of the plot being ultimately to functionally erase the sort of knight Dresden sees himself as would have made it more personal, or at least closer to home.
 
fictionfan said:
Does she see though Dresden's eyes and see though his ears?
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If he lets her yeah, but if a creature of darkness is looking at you through a camera the camera would not glow to Helscry. They have to interact with the things you see either directly or indirectly in order for the charm to lock on. For instance if Harry were to throw Hellfire he would be briefly illuminated by the tainted magic and you could see Lash though him.
 
DragonParadox said:
If he lets her yeah, but if a creature of darkness is looking at you through a camera the camera would not glow to Helscry. They have to interact with the things you see either directly or indirectly in order for the charm to lock on. For instance if Harry were to throw Hellfire he would be briefly illuminated by the tainted magic and you could see Lash though him.
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So if a cyber devil was in a camera watching us would we detect it? Because that would be the more relivent example.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Not trying to quibble too much here, and I can see where you're coming from.

It just seems to me that, to extend your metaphor a bit, the intent of the plot being ultimately to functionally erase the sort of knight Dresden sees himself as would have made it more personal, or at least closer to home.
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I get where you are coming from as well, in White Night he feels strongly about this as well, but there his interactions lead immediately to a death, here he is being told about the plot second hand in the comfort of his home.

fictionfan said:
So if a cyber devil was in a camera watching us would we detect it? Because that would be the more relivent example.
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Does the camera have another soul in it that is directing its every motion? Lash isn't present unless she is doing things, otherwise she is removed in spiritual dimensions every bit as relevant as if she were sixty miles away watching though a camera.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Does the camera have another soul in it that is directing it's every motion? Lash isn't present unless she is doing things, otherwise she is removed in spiritual dimensions every bit as relevant as if she were sixty miles away watching though a camera.
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So if she messes with Harry's perceptions is she present then?
 
[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
Can someone please give me one of those smiling sun ratings for my collection?
 
Do we have a measure of how bad the sword slums have to be for Harry to destroy rather than return? Cause that thing is a prime bit of crafting material for the exalted item charm if we ever get it.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Do we have a measure of how bad the sword slums have to be for Harry to destroy rather than return? Cause that thing is a prime bit of crafting material for the exalted item charm if we ever get it.
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Your general sense of his character more of less, there is no real mechanical way to quantify the intersection of Yomi artifacts and Harry Dresden, this is up to the judgement of the thread.
 
[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
 
[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
 
[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
-[X] Use it as a crown focus before giving it to Harry.
 
Other thought here, while we can make stuff ourselves at better quality our potion list is limited and takes exp/time to grow.

But we know Harry has all kinds of tricks largely limited by his money problems that he just doesn't use.

In addition to our ongoing education, maybe we could commission him for mortal grade utility stuff.

Even with a short shelf life they could be useful tools, and we can also use it as an excuse to pay a little extra to pad out his finances while staying in the realm of unnoticeably soaked by resources four.

For reference he can do a lot of stuff. Pocket hanky full of sunshine*, wind teleport potions, a full SEP field powerful enough to make people ignore outright violence, featherfall in a can, and that's just what he has now. Ghost dust isn't relevant because Molly and Lydia have spirit killers that let them touch the immaterial, but for minions it'd be nice.

I'm also curious about how they interact with RVD. Do we strictly speaking need to take a standard action to drink them instead of RVD's better response time? If we do will the results adjust? It's be cool if we could say RVD into an apparently decorative necklace filed with SEP juice and make us even harder to detect when being smuggled somewhere, or turn the wind juice into a poor man's escape hatch.

Bounce in by surprise at the end of your turn and burst out of the scene as a gust of wind.

* Which isn't listed here, but he uses at least once.
 
For potions to have their effect you need to consume them as a human (or at least a living being). The magic in them does not recognize 'invernal subversion of its substance' as a valid form of imbibing them, although I guess there is nothing stopping a wizard from attempting to design one that would work that way.
 
BronzeTongue said:
For reference he can do a lot of stuff. Pocket hanky full of sunshine*, wind teleport potions, a full SEP field powerful enough to make people ignore outright violence, featherfall in a can, and that's just what he has now. Ghost dust isn't relevant because Molly and Lydia have spirit killers that let them touch the immaterial, but for minions it'd be nice.
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There's an inverse correlation between happiness and ability to make sunshine hankys. I recall Harry getting asked about that in a later book and he hasn't been happy enough to be able to make those for some time.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jun 22, 2023 at 1:38 PM, finished with 49 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
    [X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
    -[X] Use it as a crown focus before giving it to Harry.
    --[X] "What are the secrets of forging such a blade?"
    [X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
    -[X] Use it as a crown focus before giving it to Harry.
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[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
 
[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
-[X] Use it as a crown focus before giving it to Harry.
--[X] "What are the secrets of forging such a blade?"
 
[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
-[X] Use it as a crown focus before giving it to Harry.
--[X] "What are the secrets of forging such a blade?"

Seems cool, and we already find ourselves in AP hell, so we should spend money to get out of it. If the sword is destroyed, it's likely a bit annoying at worst.
 
[X] Commission Harry to look into the Akuma's sword (Cost Paid Automatically from Resource Background; Risk that he will feel duty-bound to destroy it if it is too bad)
-[X] Use it as a crown focus before giving it to Harry.
--[X] "What are the secrets of forging such a blade?"
 
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