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The Lost Primarch Quest
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It is yes
So I have to say this because it always gets fucking brought in quest games in 30k.
But it took us four years to reach this point; we are on the brink of civil war and outing the Emperor...and yet it doesn't feel like a sudden ass-pull or designed by the GM because "the plot needed to happen right now" but rather it feels organic and contextualized. It took a long time, a lot of writing, lots of omakes, crazy ass rolls, and unexpected player decisions, yet it makes for a very fun read.
@Daemon Hunter So props to you for staying the course and actually getting us this far.
But it took us four years to reach this point; we are on the brink of civil war and outing the Emperor...and yet it doesn't feel like a sudden ass-pull or designed by the GM because "the plot needed to happen right now" but rather it feels organic and contextualized. It took a long time, a lot of writing, lots of omakes, crazy ass rolls, and unexpected player decisions, yet it makes for a very fun read.
@Daemon Hunter So props to you for staying the course and actually getting us this far.
So! Lots to unpack.
for the overall vote though gonna get that out of the way now and suggest a rather bold plan with solid logic I hope behind it.
[X]Plan: Mutual Benefit
-[X] Focus on appealing to the Emperor
-[X] We cannot have a man missing their soul in charge of the Imperium. How can a being only partly whole rule properly?
-[X] The Primarchs cannot be left in the dark on matters like this. The Emperor should not hoard information such as how they were made.
-[X] More effort is needed in reducing avenues for subversion. For Chaos finds it much easier to convert the downtrodden than the well-off.
-[X] Increasing production for the Imperium so that the Primarchs can be less beholden to the Imperium's government for resources
-[X] Kesar shall take over the Maelstrom for Vulkan (Vulkan does expect you to do this based on prior conversations with him)
-[X] The Imperium must move away from a dictatorship. Horus' comments on oversight have made it clear how a single man is always fallible.
-[X] Angron, Primarch of the Twelfth Legion, must be executed by the Emperor of Mankind's personal hand. Show to everyone that even at the highest level of the Imperium, accountability will be upheld. A great mistake admitted, a tortured soul laid to rest.
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SO! The logic of my choices is as follows.
The Focus on the Emperor is because Kesar has never been particularly close to the common man outside of his own planet and he's already appealed very much to the primarchs already to get this far as opposed to an armed uprising. Focusing on Big E leans in on the fact that Kesar does not himself see him or his actions as anything OTHER than loyal, and that he is just as devoted and determined as he has always been to protect the Imperium...even from the fractures in the original Plan that Big E and Malcador had.
For the choices, there's a lot going on in the background and foreground that means that Kesar can essentially give Big E and Malc 'freebies' aka things they were going to do already or can do quickly thanks to the efforts of loyalist primarchs.
I'll be copying the choices I have and detailing why I think they're either a Big Ask or a freebee and the overall strategy for this.
1: We cannot have a man missing their soul in charge of the Imperium. How can a being only partly whole rule properly?
This is a big ask because this is basically the 'you will take your soul back NOW dad!' option which is both good and bad. Good because he'll be human again...bad because he will be SO MUCH MORE DEPRESSED! Holy shit all the depression. There are not enough video clips of cute animals in the setting's history to bring back all the depression that's going to happen here...but still a better option than letting him continue as he is.
2: The Primarchs cannot be left in the dark on matters like this. The Emperor should not hoard information such as how they were made.
This is a medium ask from what I can see as it ties in with the boon that Kesar asked of him already like the chaos information and will benefit the loyalists as much as the rebels to get more information, so there will be less pushback on this one but still enough to be an ask.
3: More effort is needed in reducing avenues for subversion. For Chaos finds it much easier to convert the downtrodden than the well-off.
This fits with Malcador's efforts to secure the Imperium from Eldar influence and other subversion attempts, so this is basically asking Big E and Malc to continue doing what they are already doing and make some of it more open.
4: Increasing production for the Imperium so that the Primarchs can be less beholden to the Imperium's government for resources.
Ferrus is basically planning to deal with this himself and so kesar making the above demand is basically setting the stage to make Ferrus's reform Imperiumwide, which will benefit countless people (eventually) and give the Imperium more production that's away from the Mechanicum, which will throw Kelbor's plans into disarray and thus benefit Big E on a few levels.
5: Kesar shall take over the Maelstrom for Vulkan (Vulkan does expect you to do this based on prior conversations with him)
This has been our plan for awhile and will be a big ask as this basically tanks his plans to tie up Vulkan in the former Maelstrom region.
6: The Imperium must move away from a dictatorship. Horus' comments on oversight have made it clear how a single man is always fallible.
This one is a gimme on a few levels. It basically allows the Emperor to implement the High Lords part of his plan early, be seen as giving a concession to the rebels, and also ties in with the Omegon and Malcador bit of replacing Big E by having Malcador act as the leader of the High Lords/First Citizen or something of that sort.
7: This is what we WANTED to make happen before...well everything went nutso >.> so at the very least let us stick this landing.
All in all combining these options with the Emperor focus and it will do a good job of I think keeping Kesar looking like what he is: A devoted son of the Emperor trying to ensure that the spirit of His goals is kept. Of showing the Emperor that for better or worse he has managed to reach the point where his needing to be in complete control is no longer necessary to maintain momentum.
for the overall vote though gonna get that out of the way now and suggest a rather bold plan with solid logic I hope behind it.
[X]Plan: Mutual Benefit
-[X] Focus on appealing to the Emperor
-[X] We cannot have a man missing their soul in charge of the Imperium. How can a being only partly whole rule properly?
-[X] The Primarchs cannot be left in the dark on matters like this. The Emperor should not hoard information such as how they were made.
-[X] More effort is needed in reducing avenues for subversion. For Chaos finds it much easier to convert the downtrodden than the well-off.
-[X] Increasing production for the Imperium so that the Primarchs can be less beholden to the Imperium's government for resources
-[X] Kesar shall take over the Maelstrom for Vulkan (Vulkan does expect you to do this based on prior conversations with him)
-[X] The Imperium must move away from a dictatorship. Horus' comments on oversight have made it clear how a single man is always fallible.
-[X] Angron, Primarch of the Twelfth Legion, must be executed by the Emperor of Mankind's personal hand. Show to everyone that even at the highest level of the Imperium, accountability will be upheld. A great mistake admitted, a tortured soul laid to rest.
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SO! The logic of my choices is as follows.
The Focus on the Emperor is because Kesar has never been particularly close to the common man outside of his own planet and he's already appealed very much to the primarchs already to get this far as opposed to an armed uprising. Focusing on Big E leans in on the fact that Kesar does not himself see him or his actions as anything OTHER than loyal, and that he is just as devoted and determined as he has always been to protect the Imperium...even from the fractures in the original Plan that Big E and Malcador had.
For the choices, there's a lot going on in the background and foreground that means that Kesar can essentially give Big E and Malc 'freebies' aka things they were going to do already or can do quickly thanks to the efforts of loyalist primarchs.
I'll be copying the choices I have and detailing why I think they're either a Big Ask or a freebee and the overall strategy for this.
1: We cannot have a man missing their soul in charge of the Imperium. How can a being only partly whole rule properly?
This is a big ask because this is basically the 'you will take your soul back NOW dad!' option which is both good and bad. Good because he'll be human again...bad because he will be SO MUCH MORE DEPRESSED! Holy shit all the depression. There are not enough video clips of cute animals in the setting's history to bring back all the depression that's going to happen here...but still a better option than letting him continue as he is.
2: The Primarchs cannot be left in the dark on matters like this. The Emperor should not hoard information such as how they were made.
This is a medium ask from what I can see as it ties in with the boon that Kesar asked of him already like the chaos information and will benefit the loyalists as much as the rebels to get more information, so there will be less pushback on this one but still enough to be an ask.
3: More effort is needed in reducing avenues for subversion. For Chaos finds it much easier to convert the downtrodden than the well-off.
This fits with Malcador's efforts to secure the Imperium from Eldar influence and other subversion attempts, so this is basically asking Big E and Malc to continue doing what they are already doing and make some of it more open.
4: Increasing production for the Imperium so that the Primarchs can be less beholden to the Imperium's government for resources.
Ferrus is basically planning to deal with this himself and so kesar making the above demand is basically setting the stage to make Ferrus's reform Imperiumwide, which will benefit countless people (eventually) and give the Imperium more production that's away from the Mechanicum, which will throw Kelbor's plans into disarray and thus benefit Big E on a few levels.
5: Kesar shall take over the Maelstrom for Vulkan (Vulkan does expect you to do this based on prior conversations with him)
This has been our plan for awhile and will be a big ask as this basically tanks his plans to tie up Vulkan in the former Maelstrom region.
6: The Imperium must move away from a dictatorship. Horus' comments on oversight have made it clear how a single man is always fallible.
This one is a gimme on a few levels. It basically allows the Emperor to implement the High Lords part of his plan early, be seen as giving a concession to the rebels, and also ties in with the Omegon and Malcador bit of replacing Big E by having Malcador act as the leader of the High Lords/First Citizen or something of that sort.
7: This is what we WANTED to make happen before...well everything went nutso >.> so at the very least let us stick this landing.
All in all combining these options with the Emperor focus and it will do a good job of I think keeping Kesar looking like what he is: A devoted son of the Emperor trying to ensure that the spirit of His goals is kept. Of showing the Emperor that for better or worse he has managed to reach the point where his needing to be in complete control is no longer necessary to maintain momentum.
[X] Focus on appealing to the Emperor
We already appealed to most primarchs and we aren't as good in understanding the common man as we want to believe so choosing this will show that we always considered our actions as loyal
[X] Angron, Primarch of the Twelfth Legion, must be executed by the Emperor of Mankind's personal hand. Show to everyone that even at the highest level of the Imperium, accountability will be upheld. A great mistake admitted, a tortured soul laid to rest.
This is what we choosed in the first place why we started all this, this not only show that we are indeed loyal to the Emperor but also show that we aren't blind to his mistakes and other than the said benefits above unlike the soul option we won't risk pissing Big E off for IDK revealing to everyone that their leader basically done lobotomization on himself which is a breach of his trust. Doing this will led to big E regaining his empathy so that he won't be a self-destructive idiot with as much emotional intelligence as a rock and it will be poetic justice.
Prepare to feel as the biggest turd of the millennium gold sucka, silver rules!
Edit:the idea TinyGladiator came on with.
We already appealed to most primarchs and we aren't as good in understanding the common man as we want to believe so choosing this will show that we always considered our actions as loyal
[X] Angron, Primarch of the Twelfth Legion, must be executed by the Emperor of Mankind's personal hand. Show to everyone that even at the highest level of the Imperium, accountability will be upheld. A great mistake admitted, a tortured soul laid to rest.
This is what we choosed in the first place why we started all this, this not only show that we are indeed loyal to the Emperor but also show that we aren't blind to his mistakes and other than the said benefits above unlike the soul option we won't risk pissing Big E off for IDK revealing to everyone that their leader basically done lobotomization on himself which is a breach of his trust. Doing this will led to big E regaining his empathy so that he won't be a self-destructive idiot with as much emotional intelligence as a rock and it will be poetic justice.
Prepare to feel as the biggest turd of the millennium gold sucka, silver rules!
Edit:the idea TinyGladiator came on with.
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[X]Plan: Mutual Benefit
Should we talk about making changes to the Great Crusade? We can ask for increased production and other changes, but the crusade is a massive burden on the imperium. Slowing the crusade could allow for the imperium to improve itself internally by focusing more manpower on the economy at the cost of the military. I know it sounds insane in Warhammer, but a strong economy supports a strong war machine. Having more people work in factories means the army has more equipment, and decreasing the enlistment rate now could end up improving total army count in the future via increasing population.
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That would be a valid write-in I will say.
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[X]Plan: Mutual Benefit
And as Vulkan mentioned, not wasting money and lives on sane worlds who want to be just left alone and genociding xenos just for the crime of existing
May 5th, 2023 Omake Rewards
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Alright, omakes. First up we have Malal lamenting the past events including his cult being destroyed. Man Malal was fun, it's kind of a shame he was banished as long as he was. Although based on events in the galaxy, that timeframe has been reduced to an extent. As for your reward:
[] +5 to a roll of the GM's choice
[] -10 to ???
[] +10 to ???
Next up we have an omake in the main threadmarks, this one covering a meeting with Vulkan and Kelbor. Man does it say a lot that this omake covers a rather notable event between the two, and one that's going to play a critical role for decades to come. As for your reward:
[] +15 to a roll of the GM's choice
[] A Cold Calculus - Revealed if Chosen
[] All in - Revealed if Chosen
Up next we have Aquisgranum, the planet liberated by Orion and Skullface during the Ritual War. It's a fantastically detailed description of the challenges in colonizing daemonworlds, and I especially enjoyed the descriptions of the Homesteads. For your reward:
[] +15 to a roll of the GM's choice
[] Aquisgranum will develop slightly quicker
[] Increased knowledge gain for handling daemonworlds for the Imperial Army
Up next we have Skysoph, a planet that is going to be playing a much more interesting role for Horus than I ever expected. It's quite the detailed omake, going into an examination of each of the various factions that reside upon it along with more. As for your reward:
[] +10 to a roll of the GM's choice
[] +10 to Horus' rolls for Skysoph
[] +10 to ???
Next up we have an omake by jjffjhjf! Glad to see these again, I have a bit of a soft spot for tech. I do rather like this omake for several reasons. One of them being how you described the work Kesar was doing and just how similar it felt to research I've done IRL. Overall it's a great look at Kesar's work and for your reward:
[] +10 to a roll of the GM's choice
[] Titan Void Shield Mastery provides slightly increased rewards
[] Titan Void Shield Mastery is slightly easier to implement
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All in - Vulkan was never a person to do things by half measures. While he may not have been as direct as Kesar in some cases, none could accuse him of being unwilling to commit to a cause. Just looking at his actions in the past are proof of it. And now, the Lord of Drakes is all in on ensuring humanity improves the lives of the common man. *+10 to Vulkan's rolls when committing to a single path*
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This is in relation to how much the Imperium in general learns from Skysoph. Effectively a bonus to studying it.
[X]Plan: Mutual Benefit
-[X] Focus on appealing to the Emperor
-[X] We cannot have a man missing their soul in charge of the Imperium. How can a being only partly whole rule properly?
-[X] The Primarchs cannot be left in the dark on matters like this. The Emperor should not hoard information such as how they were made.
-[X] More effort is needed in reducing avenues for subversion. For Chaos finds it much easier to convert the downtrodden than the well-off.
-[X] Increasing production for the Imperium so that the Primarchs can be less beholden to the Imperium's government for resources
-[X] Kesar shall take over the Maelstrom for Vulkan (Vulkan does expect you to do this based on prior conversations with him)
-[X] The Imperium must move away from a dictatorship. Horus' comments on oversight have made it clear how a single man is always fallible.
-[X] Angron, Primarch of the Twelfth Legion, must be executed by the Emperor of Mankind's personal hand. Show to everyone that even at the highest level of the Imperium, accountability will be upheld. A great mistake admitted, a tortured soul laid to rest.
-[X] Focus on appealing to the Emperor
-[X] We cannot have a man missing their soul in charge of the Imperium. How can a being only partly whole rule properly?
-[X] The Primarchs cannot be left in the dark on matters like this. The Emperor should not hoard information such as how they were made.
-[X] More effort is needed in reducing avenues for subversion. For Chaos finds it much easier to convert the downtrodden than the well-off.
-[X] Increasing production for the Imperium so that the Primarchs can be less beholden to the Imperium's government for resources
-[X] Kesar shall take over the Maelstrom for Vulkan (Vulkan does expect you to do this based on prior conversations with him)
-[X] The Imperium must move away from a dictatorship. Horus' comments on oversight have made it clear how a single man is always fallible.
-[X] Angron, Primarch of the Twelfth Legion, must be executed by the Emperor of Mankind's personal hand. Show to everyone that even at the highest level of the Imperium, accountability will be upheld. A great mistake admitted, a tortured soul laid to rest.