Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Giving the Akuma to the Library of Congress is something of an abrogation of responsibility. We should kill them directly, not hand them off to possibly escape and claim more victims.
The LoC hasn't asked for experimental subjects and we shouldn't try and shirk responsibility for executing them by handing them off to a third party.
The LoC hasn't asked for experimental subjects and we shouldn't try and shirk responsibility for executing them by handing them off to a third party.
That's true. You know what, let's sweeten the deal for them, and patch up that security leak. By ordering them not to try to escape we put them under MiS. That deals with their hunger, and, as long as we make clear our intentions, I don't think LoC will do something stupid. Modified the vote with two sub-options. I mean, they still might legally execute the akuma, but if not, a hundred years of imprisonment while under MiS is just another spelling of "secluded cultivation".
Also... can Emma-O empower them stealthily? I mean, normal hell bargaining is fairly obvious. If lesser akuma are under surveillance, there's no way they can set up summoning to bargain for more power.
[X] [AKUMA] Reattach their limbs and propose handing them over to the Library of Congress
-[X] Have Harry whip up some containment circles to hold them in place, and get Monoc security to guard the circles
--[X] Using occult excellency and working together with Gard and the rune caster help Harry make a better circle
-[X] Provide the Library with a short booklet explaining the dangers of akuma and how they can be contained
-[X] Order them not to try to escape to trigger a persistent Mercy in Servitude state.
-[X] Make it clear that you are handling over prisoners, not test subjects
[X] [AFTERMATH] You have a suggestion: Write in:
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
This will not work unfortunately.
DRagonparadox did explain that there has to be genuine power flow and not a one time order.
Yes, to this. He has parts of their soul and can reach out to them, order them or punish them.
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Also Wan Kuei need chi to live, MiS can't negate their need for chi as they actually need energy to keep existing.
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Emma-O at the least can access their dreams, as that is the standard way of converting them into lesser akuma in the first place, so he probably can do something. Of course given that these are minor servants he is more likely to just order them to suicidally attack everyone around them.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
They get that from Blood IIRC, so as clarified by Dragonparadox, getting them fresh blood should keep them satiated.
Library of Congress is the closest to legitimate supernatural government in USA there is. We are still a USA citizen - until we get our Kingdom and become a head of state we should probably make at least a token attempt at following the law. The law says "the state gets to kill people after due process, and no one else, barring self-defense and defense of others".
@DragonParadox would that work? I mean, as long as they acknowledge our power due to being our prisoners. If not, would "do not try to escape and reflect on your choices" work? That's a persistent order. Essentially order them into secluded cultivation meditation to reach enlightenment.
Parts only. Usum said before - Yama Kings are very reluctant to reveal "yes, we can order you immediately after you sell a part of your soul" thing.
I thought it was like Whampire and Rampire hunger? MiS deals with that, as long as they don't actually use their powers.
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[X] [AKUMA] Destroy them
Okay, yeah, I'm actually liking this "clever loophole" less and less. Let's just get it over with.
Okay, yeah, I'm actually liking this "clever loophole" less and less. Let's just get it over with.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
That is why it is comboed with "Being imprisoned and experimented upon".
Even removing the experimented on part, they are still prisoners and at the mercy of short lived humans. That alone would encourage them.
Then there is the fact that they are loose ends, and are to be collected or killed. Emmo-O cannot afford to do any less. I mean his slaves are being imprisoned by Mortals. There is no greater humiliation then that.
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Ultimately, I feel that this boils down to "do we risk thinking that a 300 year old supernatural investigation and control organization of the world's premier superpower, with major mojo of their own, as shown by their agents, has enough safety and security protocols, and survival instincts to deal with supernatural mooks after being given exalted-level safety containment guide". If yes, handling them over to LoC is not abrogation of authority, but the most politically and legally correct move in this situation.
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Wan Kuei are fully undead they don't have a living metabolism to fall back on, they need some source of energy to remain animate. Though there are ways to feed them chi that don't involve feeding on living things.
In that case, I feel it's not an issue, really, since we'll be handing over safety containment guide.
Handing them over to the LoC also has the benefit of letting us see what the LoC does with them. I'd like to know what the shadowy government group in charge of dealing with the supernatural does to actually deal with the supernatural. (And we're handing them Crown foci to answer that.)
Helping Harry make that circle would cost an action for you and for him.
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The LoC being able to feed them definitely isn't an issue, as DP pointed out you can just give them blood from any living person, they don't need to extract it themselves.
And that is assuming that the LoC doesn't have any magic users with the skills needed to channel chi to them directly, which would simplify everything a lot.
And that is assuming that the LoC doesn't have any magic users with the skills needed to channel chi to them directly, which would simplify everything a lot.
? You mean a monthly action? I thought we were talking containment until LoC arrives to pick them up.
That too, actually, is a good point. We will have photos of the akuma we hand over. Asking a month later "how is LoC treating them" is a good intel gathering question.
Harry can do that on his own using his excising understanding of circles, but if you want to help him design a better one that costs an action as you would have to adapt your understanding of the world to his paradigm.
Oh. Ok. Modifying the vote then. I don't think we need to go quite that far for these guys. Still, this seems a bit strange - we modified and improved Arawn's god-level magic circle on the fly. And we are in pretty much the same situation here. That's what I was proposing to do. Like we helped Arawn with his ritual, help Harry here.
[X] [AKUMA] Reattach their limbs and propose handing them over to the Library of Congress
-[X] Have Harry whip up some containment circles to hold them in place, and get Monoc security to guard the circles
-[X] Provide the Library with a short booklet explaining the dangers of akuma and how they can be contained
-[X] Make it clear that you are handling over prisoners, not test subjects
[X] [AFTERMATH] You have a suggestion: Write in:
-[X] Let J come up with some simple story, don't even try to explain the corpse. He was out of town, everything else is the kind of weirdness that nobody really wants to investigate.
-[X] Offer, but do not suggest, to make the body disappear without trace, if it existing is an issue for Murphy or Butters.
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That won't do anything, we aren't in a hierarchical relationship with them. MiS requires an actual relationship to function, they need to be subordinates of Molly either directly or indirectly for it to work.
Hierarchy is "they are our prisoners" presumably. Still, I am waiting for @DragonParadox to clarify whether this would work.
Prisoners do not count, they have to be willing to take your orders and work for your benefit somehow.
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Ya'll are assuming the Library of Congress even wants supernatural predators to keep prisoner. Also that once they have them, if they agree to take them, that they will not be used irresponsibly. Do you really trust all decision makers in the LoC not to attempt to weaponize the Akuma, or worse, use them as a go-between communication relay to Emma-O?
Emma-O isn't the hyper god of the setting. Mortals are allowed to be competent and do stuff.
We have similar conversations about social combat regularly, usually right before a heroic mortal nearly rolls Molly up and smokes her even with charms running.
Emma-O is dangerous, but he isn't the composite of all his best WoD splat books here. It's exceedingly unlikely that he can simply seize the Library through two idiot mooks in chains if someone else hasn't done the same already.
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Also, the point of the trick be pulled in them is that these vamps didn't know there was another option other than selling their souls. Or likely even that that was what they were doing at the time.
They're all full Akuma in the sense that they've sold the majority share of their souls and performed the right of renunciation.
Really the strange thing here is that they're devil eaten and not greater.
In any case, their current role indicates things about their current potential. If they could be turned into hyper bad assets capable of walking through informed opposition Emma-O would already be doing that with them.
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Being granted investments is something that can be done remotely. Investments also don't need to be swapped. There's not limit to the number of investments an akuma can have.
I don't believe they've sold any of their souls. I think they were conned into performing the Rite of Renunciation without that, so they still own their own soul.
Also, selling a majority of their souls isn't enough to become a real akuma. They need to sell all of it.
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