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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I don't think that we have blessing of the wood dragon. Also if we want to stop techbane than putting in a cyberdevil seems like the easiest way.
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True.
Entire fight would have been a minute, a minute thirty seconds or so. Certainly not more than five minutes.
I am pretty sure the naagloshii would have bailed though.
Nah.
Combat deaths are fair and square, but part of domesticating Whamps, in particular teenage whamps who are building an ethical code, is not having them look at prisoners or people similarly helpless as MREs.
Besides, Im not sure that akuma are safe to feed on anyway.
Just like trying to feed on Molly would have probably poisoned Bella, trying to feed on an akuma of Emma-O seems like the sort of thing that might have unintended consequences for the feeder.
Lets not have our baby vamps get into the habit of sticking random shit in their mouths.
Self-cleaning sure.
But thats on normal battlefields with no law enforcement.
Murphy's presence and awareness complicates all sorts of things.
One of the reasons I didnt want her along was plausible deniability. For her sake.
Im not talking about the report that Murphy makes to the Library people; I'm talking about the report she makes to her primary employers the Chicago Police Department. I mean, she just used police powers to keep civilians from a location where a significant amount of automatic weapons was heard. South Chicago is rough, but not that rough.
Also we recovered J and the girl bakemono, even if Molly's people manage to get lost in the shuffle.
J was believed dead, and the girl is probably on the missing persons list as well.
She's going to have to make a report.
Broader, but applicable to environments not people.
EDS would have probably picked up on the attempts by our enemies at manipulating the leylines for environmental buffs, and would have seen the ritual setup for J in the NeverNever.
Hellscry Chakra would have seen the boss akuma hiding in the ground, and ID'd demons in people.
And Nemesis, of course.
We did explicitly mentally think about it.
That said, two or three months to December/January.
Its not the most urgent thing on the table.
If it was, I assume we wouldnt need the body.
But I havent been paying all that much attention to Holden's Crafting rules given their increasing intricacy.
I think so.
IIRC, Exalts heal Agg as Lethal.
She's down 3HLs, so a healing potion will restore 2 of those, and a night's sleep should restore the rest.
But that means she's in Charity's clutches while we do so.
We can buy it before we get around to the work.
Not everyone wants cyberdevils in their stuff.
Mouse doesnt mind, but Harry does mind, as will the White Council.
And cyberdevils report to Molly, which is not something Odin wants in his gear.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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And Odin's troops that he sent to help us report to him we might not like it, but It's something that happens when you outsource.
I don't know what VED is, but Verdent Emptiness Endowment costs way more XP (20) and can only grant a dot worth which isn't nearly as much power as Inner Devils Unchained.
Did you mean Chirality Prohibition Index the training charm that isn't favored and takes much longer to do?
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Pretty sure that's a bad idea.
Even assuming we could set things up with healing potions such that she'd survive we're talking about a maddeningly painful procedure. One that would take much longer than is listed because we'd have to spend a while emptying her health track afterwards.
Unless is actually necessary to save her from something worse it's probably better to leave her bane where it is.
Most prisoners, but these guys were literally torturing them for fun. They're the reason our vamps need to feed at all.
It's possible there are side effects, but I doubt it. Seems sort of implicit in the setup that unless a special rule is given a vampire that can start feeding on you can safely take a bite.
Murphy knew what she was signing up for, and I think having an in the know federal agency around is giving her some assurance that she's doing her duty even if she doesn't always follow the law.
Yeah, but that's a sanitized report. There's only so much he can learn from that source and it seems unlikely that that vector specifically will spill too much in the way of juicy secrets.
Eh, I think that on the balance it still provides more useful information. It also doesn't take any essence to use either, which helps a lot with this sort of thing.
Thinking about it isn't a blood oath.
Don't know how I screwed that name up, but yeah I meant VEE.
You're also underestimating what that particular charm can do. For someone who already has supernatural abilities we can give some pretty significant merits. Biological immortality was one of the things we talked about feasibly granting using it.
I also think you're overestimating Bakemono. For infernal charm purposes they're basically Kleenex minions. A bunch of mutant freaks with gimmick powers for the hero to mow down.
See how neither Bakemono made by plucking a random person off the streets and loading them with demon power actually mattered at all here.
We don't have to use it like that, but making it more means lots of training to put together a build that actually makes their abilities into something more.
For people who already have the potential to be noteworthy sorcerers a magic prodigy merit offers more over the same period of time with less overhead in the form of horrible pain and thereafter registering as a gribbly to the senses of the practitioners around you.
Which I'm sure would be oodles of fun to explain when some creatures do come back wearing the faces of people they've twisted or killed to find more victims.
IDU is more effective if we have a steam of trained mortals with solid builds we can round off with tools that help them break into fights they couldn't quite manage on their own.
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While we should consult with Michael about getting her exorcised, leaving the girl possessed is a terrible idea, especially as the demon seems to be in control.
She is already looking at major trauma from what has already happened and leaving the demon free to run around and/or twist her into whatever monster it can is far worse than the effects of exorcising it.
She is already looking at major trauma from what has already happened and leaving the demon free to run around and/or twist her into whatever monster it can is far worse than the effects of exorcising it.
That's not how fomor work. She isn't possessed in the classic sense, it's more like a shitty white vamp sort of deal or those neo-nazi Berserkers than that.
The snippet we got of her seemed like she was already crazy by the time she was targeted. That's probably why she was in the first place.
She might have a mental mutation, but MiS should suppress that with the right socials. Which is something we need to do anyway, because ripping out the Bane giving her powers and sending her back to her shitty foster home is just asking for her to dive back into the supernatural immediately and get hurt.
I mean think about the consequences of taking someone who started like this before any demons got involved:
And telling them not to worry, that it's for their own good even, before subjecting them to their own alien chestburster montage where we barely keep ahead of the damage via healing potions.
Then packing them off to an environment they have no control over and actively hate.
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That is how bakemono work, the possessing spirit has major ongoing mental effects on the host and these ones were directly created to be spies.
Either the demon is in control or it has had enough influence on her mind that it not technically being in control doesn't matter.
The bakemono might have been purely controlled by Obligation, but these were created by akuma it is extremely likely that they used demons that were loyal to Emma-O in the first place.
The longer the demon possesses the host the more long term effects it is going to have. She is already looking at major psychological trauma and letting the demon hang around to keep warping her mentally and psychically is not going to end well.
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... The Fomor's plan was to link the little girl's lifeforce to that of the hostages, so that the rescuers would kill her and the hostages with her. That was the plan, and she was outwardly happy about it. Either the little girl isn't in control and the demon riding her definitely won't serve us to save the girl and put her back in control, or the girl is gleefully suicidal. Either way, I don't think leaving the demon inside of her is for the best.
I would suggest an Occult specialty for Etiquette and the potion that gives you +2 to any one Ability for a scene (along with the Empathy 5). Alertness and Awareness 1 wouldn't be amiss either. Though Perception 3 might be cheaper.
No, the fomori aren't mind controlled, the subject can pick up derangements as a result of exposure to poorly integrated alien essence, but the demon isn't call the shots or actively manipulating the host's mind:
There isn't a degenerative conditioning issue here either, they aren't whispering in their host's ears like that.
The things you're describing are entirely different categories of power that involve different issues.
That's my point, the kid probably is screwed ups from the start. Trust issues may as well be written across her forehead, and being suicidal wouldn't exactly be surprising after a kid who thinks the world is full of monsters wearing masks has their world view confirmed in a painfully direct way.
I'm not saying the demon is a good thing, but this seems a lot like someone who's got a deep stab wound. Just pulling the knife or whatever out isn't always the best idea because sometimes you'll just end up causing them to bleed to death.
I don't see this person in this situation really giving a shit about the context, or to differentiate between Molly performing a necessary medical procedure and being tortured out of spite.
I don't see how this is supposed to result in a psychological recovery after the fact.
No, thats not how this works.
We're not doing them a favor, we're paying them for services rendered in good faith at very short notice.
We dont get to be high handed about this, or try to force shit we know they wouldnt consent to.
We have been previously told that the demon is there to take over.
So you ask again looking up at the distant window of the small studio apartment where a old lady who owned an antique shop used to live, now dark and empty as the heart of the one that devoured her: "What forces, in terms of personal, material and immaterial resources, are available to the orchestrator of this apartment's owner's murder?"
Faces flash before your mind's eye, some familiar, pale puffy-eyed, some not still cut of the same cloth, armed and armored in like manner, the fingers of a long black hand, but the whirl of color does not stop with them or with the familiar chill gaze of lady Eiko. Eyes like plaid lanterns, like some insect's gaze, look out of a face made gaunt with worry and lined with deep resentment past the windscreen of a taxi and into the night. There is more than mortal rage there, more than the spite of a broken like curdled to darkness. A demon of Kakuri squirms inside flesh now borrowed soon to be stolen.
Three more follow after that, a tabloid photographer who takes particular joy in the discomfort of his female 'quarry', an old man man so obsessed with UFOs and conspiracies that he now obsessively tracks his neighbors convinced that they are spies from the beyond, a girl nine or ten maybe passed through so many foster homes and so ill used that she now thinks behind every smiling face is a monster resolved to destroy them all.
For all of them a single word, a single dark fate: bakemono
Faces flash before your mind's eye, some familiar, pale puffy-eyed, some not still cut of the same cloth, armed and armored in like manner, the fingers of a long black hand, but the whirl of color does not stop with them or with the familiar chill gaze of lady Eiko. Eyes like plaid lanterns, like some insect's gaze, look out of a face made gaunt with worry and lined with deep resentment past the windscreen of a taxi and into the night. There is more than mortal rage there, more than the spite of a broken like curdled to darkness. A demon of Kakuri squirms inside flesh now borrowed soon to be stolen.
Three more follow after that, a tabloid photographer who takes particular joy in the discomfort of his female 'quarry', an old man man so obsessed with UFOs and conspiracies that he now obsessively tracks his neighbors convinced that they are spies from the beyond, a girl nine or ten maybe passed through so many foster homes and so ill used that she now thinks behind every smiling face is a monster resolved to destroy them all.
For all of them a single word, a single dark fate: bakemono
Under no circumstances is she better off with something like that in her head.
Bakemono are very rarely to the benefit of the possessed.
This applies to her, and any other poor saps that another Yama King might attempt to slip into Chicago as a spy.
1)Doesnt matter.
They arent starving or dying; they fought against the invaders then were nailed to a wall. They can hold till they get out of here and go to a horror movie matinee or something.
2)Tainted chi is a recognized concept in Kindred of the East.
To quote the wiki:
The Kuejin sourcebook has Defiled as a 6-point Flaw for ingesting corrupt Chi.
The Thousand Hells sourcebook has it as 1- to 6-point Flaw: Cursed for any Western vampire that has been in contact with the Thousand Hells, with the 1 pt version starting with making the vampire's blood poisonous to anyone who tried to drink it, all the way to the 6-point version that stacks multiple effects.
Having baby vampires attempt to feed from akuma, who have themselves been primarily feeding off the tainted dragon lines of Yomi Wan, and whose souls are literally marinating in the atmosphere of Emma'O's treasury in Kakuri, Yomi Wan is feeding children water from a contaminated font and hoping not to fall sick.
An old vampire might be able to do it at need; a bunch of baby vamps? Doubtful.
Dont let babies put random stuff in their mouths; you never know where its been.
Eh. Thats debateable.
Still her choice to make.
Oh of course it is sanitized.
But when you know a report was sanitized, reading it is informative in its own right. Especially when you have other sources of information in the supernatural community to compare with.
They both have different focuses. One wont tell you what the other will.
And while seeing Dragons Nests only requires a DC7 Per + Occult roll, actually seeing across the Wall requires 1 Willpower, so its not like EDS is cheaper than Hellscry Chakra.
Agreed. Just pointing it out.
That quote appears to refer to those we make.
Not those that the Yama Kings or their agents make.
It IS explicitly a demonic takeover situation.
We asked with the Crown earlier in this Arc in Update 16, and thats what it told us, implying that was the fate of every human in that scenario. The fact that ours may not work that way does not mean the Yama Kings have any interest in preserving the free will of their victims in anything but a very few instances.
This is similar to the situation we see with the Denarians.
Some, like Anduriel and Lasciel, whisper in the ear of their mount and work through them.
Others, like Ursiel lock their hosts in their head and run the show.
Or with ghosts, where the Capriocorpus and Kravos' Nightmare tried to take over their victims bodies completely.
While Mortimer's allies would be let in, lend him skills, without trying to take over their host.
None of this:
Sounds like decisionmaking by a person in their rational mind.
The actual involuntary physical reactions, like the crying, speak to someone locked in their own head.
And the fact that Brother Dev recognized the strat from four decades ago says none of this was the child's plan.
Not that it matters.
A ten year old is under no circumstances competent enough to make those kinds of decisions for themselves.
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@DragonParadox, you said it's too soon for E3 because we just recently hit E2... but we got E2 at the end of Arc 1, and we're currently wrapping up Arc 6. And it was July 16 in-universe when we got E2, and it's now the start of October, 2 and a half months later. How much longer, exactly, do we have to wait before it's no longer "too soon" for E3? Just curious about your logic.
Here's the update where we hit E2, for reference.
True you could get some of the more noticeable people out that way, like the mortar team that just fired inside as major US city.
I was speaking in absolute terms, it's only been a few months. They have been packed months, but I do not think Molly has gotten to the point where she internalized the rulership aspect of her powers enough to become god queen of her own domain.
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oh I meant real life time. This would be pretty awesome though. When I say it won't have projection it'll require qm ruling and molly being willing to project the forces of her hell outside it.
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this is a vast underestimation of numbers tens of billions of loyal citizens.
Arguably, the whole theme of the arc has been internalizing rulership. It's been an arc of her learning on a gut level, not just intellectually, how much power over people also makes her responsible for their fate.
Oh it has and it is a step in that direction, but a queen is not only a queen at war.
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Who said anything about tens of billions?
Earths population in 2006 was 6.6 billion.
The total estimated population of humans to have ever lived is 108 billion.
I dont see billions happening, let alone tens of billions of citizens.
Drop your estimates by two to four orders of magnitude.
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the charm can have a bigger population than earth by a significant number. Some of the hells have many magnitudes higher than earths population.
Edit: Also doesn't Mab have trillions guarding the gates?
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also not to be rude dp why did you tap insightful on that have you read yogs hell? Cause it has a population that big.
Edit: Cause if it has issues you should tell him.
Edit: Cause if it has issues you should tell him.
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Can=Will. It can also have no population.
We do get to write our proposal for a Hell.
The QM can and will adjust the numbers as they think is appropriate. But when your Hell has a bigger population than the rest of the setting combined, its safe to assume that you're well off numbers wise.
Mab had fifty thousand standing troops back home, and tens of thousands of troops that Dresden could see at the Gates in Cold Days, with the implication of tens, or hundreds of thousands on other parts of the Gates he couldnt see.
If you do the math on logistics, and the need to rotate troops off for rest and recuperation, in addition to troops in training, logistics and the like, its easy to enter the millions.
Or at least the very high hundreds of thousands.
Nowhere is it suggested that she has trillions.
The logistics would be ruinous.
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Lemme try with shorter words.
Assuming tens of billions is a minimum of 30 billion.
Thats ~5x Earth's population in 2006. You have more people in your Hell than there are on Earth.
Earth isnt the focus of the story anymore; your Hell is.
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I mean you can only be in the hell so long so I don't see the problem and its supposed to be a hell with tens of thousands of years of history. Also don't some of the yama kings have literally endless servants albeit weak ones?
Only having some millions kinda ruins any idea of eventually using an army in the outside world of any real size too I think?
Edit: Plus whats the point of a high tech society with advanced philosophy if it barely has any population and has a smaller population than Europe several centuries ago.
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