Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Another reason not to sneak Rosie out is that school starts very soon. If she doesn't screw up now, she'll be able to get out of the house soon enough without any sneaking required, and likely have free time after school each day before she needs to be home to keep peace with her parents.

Just a few more months and our options will become much more open-ended.
 
Are we allowed to Anti-Vote?
IE "Yes" has been split into two different options, making "No" more likely to get a majority.
What if I don't care what "Yes" gets picked as long as it isn't "No"?
 
Are we allowed to Anti-Vote?
IE "Yes" has been split into two different options, making "No" more likely to get a majority.
What if I don't care what "Yes" gets picked as long as it isn't "No"?
You can usually vote for two options at once, it's called approval voting.
Your vote gets added to both options.

Exception is if the QM doesn't want that of course.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 21, 2022 at 12:48 AM, finished with 79 posts and 24 votes.

  • [X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
    [X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it si fragile enough as it is
    [X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
    -[X] Use Subterfuge or Etiquette excellency
    -[X] Call dad and ask him to cover for you. He should be able to understand that learning one's talent is important, and that Harry is trustworthy.
    -[X] STUNT: While the thought of sneaking away is certainly compelling to your teenage spirit, there are more practical ways of doing things available to you. Ones that don't risk younger siblings ruining the whole scheme. You flip open your phone, calling dad, to explain how you want to take Rosie to meet Harry and Mouse, and why. Rosie's parents wouldn't let her out of the house normally. With your dad serving as a chaperone, however? That's another story.
    [x] Plausible Deniability, Misdirection, and Stacking the Deck
    -[x] Agree that doing something of the sort would be a very good idea.
    -[x] However, tonight may be too soon to set something like this up.
    -[x] There would be a lot of moving parts in such a plan, and a lot of things that could go wrong.
    --[x] For one, she may be expected to keep an eye on her younger sibling, or else there would be a babysitter present. Both cases could lead to us getting found out.
    --[x] If we get caught, her parents won't want her to be in contact with us in the future.
    --[x] They may also be more restrictive of her activities in general.
    -[x] Set up something with some plausible deniability that we can sell to her parents as something that would be helpful for her.
    --[x] I don't personally know what might be most convincing to her parents, am open to suggestions here.
    --[x] Possibly enlist Michael or Charity to help sell it to her parents? They certainly have a more 'respectable' image than we do.
    --[x] If Harry must be brought up at all, frame it to her parents as him being a good friend who does some work as a police consultant.
    --[x] Am I missing anything?
    -[x] Once she is free to go, default to 'agree' plan in terms of itinerary, with the possible inclusion of having Michael chat with her a little bit, and maybe have her meet Lydia at some point? The latter may be something that happens later on, though.
    [X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it is fragile enough as it is
    -[X] You could see if Father Forthill has some part-time job? There is always something to help with and any such job could come with ample breaks with time for self-improvement. Sanctuary is a time honored christian tradition.
    [X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it is fragile enough as it is
    -[x] Molly sighed. "Aren't you babysitting the little ones? " She asked, sitting on the bed.
    -[x] "Look, you need to take care of them, but as soon as I can figure something out, I'll introduce you to Harry and show you around."
 
[X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it si fragile enough as it is
 
Eh. Newborn terrestrial is not too far removed from human. She also doesn't have any obvious inhuman tells, unlike, say, Molly and her freezing aura.
She has excellencies. Part of the reason Rosie wants to meet other magicals is to establish in her mind that "I am good at this" is not just Molly coddling her. Lydia and Molly, by virtue of having excellencies and exalted rolling mechanics trump her in her everything. Speaking of, @DragonParadox if we are the one teaching Rosie Oneiromancy, does it mean that we are also learning Oneiromancy ourselves? Or do we not get the benefit because we aren't practicing?

No, Harry, as a talented and charismatic larger-than-life Warden Commander of Chicago area, who doesn't have much, if any skill in this particular magic, is an ideal choice for the meeting. Lydia should be met later, and in a social setting.
 
[X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it si fragile enough as it is

Okay, the write-in I want to take a third option isn't winning, so this is the best of the options that actually have a shot at this point in the voting.
 
She has excellencies. Part of the reason Rosie wants to meet other magicals is to establish in her mind that "I am good at this" is not just Molly coddling her. Lydia and Molly, by virtue of having excellencies and exalted rolling mechanics trump her in her everything.
Excellencies attached to specific attributes, active only in moments of exertion. She isn't some sort of a transcendent omnicompetent god that makes reality heave and shudder by mere presence, she is a terrestrial exalt. Nothing she is currently capable of doing can't be matched by a mortal.

Anyway, for a minor talent, Dresden isn't a peer. Dresden is a Mage, he dwarfs her like... well, not quite as much as Celestials dwarf terrestrials, but the gap is still humongous.
 
Anyway, for a minor talent, Dresden isn't a peer. Dresden is a Mage, he dwarfs her like... well, not quite as much as Celestials dwarf terrestrials, but the gap is still humongous.
That's true, but there are caveats:
1) He's still a mortal magic user. He follows the same paradigm, manipulates the same forces, is subject to the same Laws of Magic, as Rosie. Lydia is an essence user that gets power from her divine ancestry and transcendent forbidden pieces of Kemmler's ancestry. Being someone like Harry is something Rosie can dream to be in the future, at least in a few areas of her talent. His experiences she can take inspiration in. Lydia is nothing of the sort.
2) He isn't (I think) good in Oneiromancy (or at least I don't remember any feats for him in that area), which should boost Rosie's confidence.

Lydia is a good person for Rosie to meet, as a social and age peer(-ish), someone to hang out with. Harry is good to meet as a mage, an inspiration, and a trusty authority figure in terms of magic.
 
That's true, but there are caveats:
1) He's still a mortal magic user. He follows the same paradigm, manipulates the same forces, is subject to the same Laws of Magic, as Rosie. Lydia is an essence user that gets power from her divine ancestry and transcendent forbidden pieces of Kemmler's ancestry. Being someone like Harry is something Rosie can dream to be in the future, at least in a few areas of her talent. His experiences she can take inspiration in. Lydia is nothing of the sort.
2) He isn't (I think) good in Oneiromancy (or at least I don't remember any feats for him in that area), which should boost Rosie's confidence.

Lydia is a good person for Rosie to meet, as a social and age peer(-ish), someone to hang out with. Harry is good to meet as a mage, an inspiration, and a trusty authority figure in terms of magic.
None of that matters right now though, because adding more straw to the camel's back when it's already buckling under the weight is a bad plan.

Regardless of Micheal's involvement we will get caught because of her siblings, and Micheal being trustworthy to us doesn't mean Rosie's parents will appreciate her screwing around behind their backs again after learning how poorly that went in the past. Especially since we can't explain why without spilling the beans on magic. It'll just come down to "because we felt like it lol" which isn't going to help.

Right or wrong, concerned parents or assholes, that will have consequences on Rosie's relationship with her family.

This doesn't need to happen right now, and if it does we can make at least one option available to her with little to none of the consequences of smuggling her out.

This vote is basically "deteriorate Rosie's already bad home life Y/N?" with no unique benefit to doing it.

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It's also worth noting that Rosie's parents can't possibly know she isn't addicted to heroin anymore, and basically none of the people who develop that sort of drug habit can actually quit cold turkey. which will factor into what they assume about anything presented to them after the fact.
 
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None of that matters right now though, because adding more straw to the camel's back when it's already buckling under the weight is a bad plan.

Regardless of Micheal's involvement we will get caught because of her siblings, and Micheal being trustworthy to us doesn't mean Rosie's parents will appreciate her screwing around behind their backs again after learning how poorly that went in the past. Especially since we can't explain why without spilling the beans on magic. It'll just come down to "because we felt like it lol" which isn't going to help.

Right or wrong, concerned parents or assholes, that will have consequences on Rosie's relationship with her family.

This doesn't need to happen right now, and if it does we can make at least one option available to her with little to none of the consequences of smuggling her out.

This vote is basically "deteriorate Rosie's already bad home life Y/N?" with no unique benefit to doing it.

Well the unique benefit is 'you do as she asks you to and she gets to see the world of magic with her own eyes'. So far all she has had are some funky dreams. It is worth keeping in mind that Rosanna has agency, including the agency to make bad decisions yes, but having bad judgement does not mean someone else has to pick up the slack.
 
None of that matters right now though, because adding more straw to the camel's back when it's already buckling under the weight is a bad plan.

Regardless of Micheal's involvement we will get caught because of her siblings, and Micheal being trustworthy to us doesn't mean Rosie's parents will appreciate her screwing around behind their backs again after learning how poorly that went in the past. Especially since we can't explain why without spilling the beans on magic. It'll just come down to "because we felt like it lol" which isn't going to help.

Right or wrong, concerned parents or assholes, that will have consequences on Rosie's relationship with her family.

This doesn't need to happen right now, and if it does we can make at least one option available to her with little to none of the consequences of smuggling her out.

This vote is basically "deteriorate Rosie's already bad home life Y/N?" with no unique benefit to doing it.

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It's also worth noting that Rosie's parents can't possibly know she isn't addicted to heroin anymore, and basically none of the people who develop that sort of drug habit can actually quit cold turkey. which will factor into what they assume about anything presented to them after the fact.
Wait, I think there's a critical misunderstanding here. In my propsoed plan, Rosie isn't sneaking out, with Michael providing some cover post-factum. We (Rosie and Molly) talk to her parents to arrange her being let out of the house, with Michael acting as a chaperone. It's not tied to the charity event her parents are going to. In fact, it's unlikely to be at the same time, due to, as you mentioned, the need for babysitter (though I highly doubt that Rosie is going to be trusted to babysit by her parents).

EDIT: Let me make it clearer.

[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
-[X] Use Subterfuge or Etiquette excellency
-[X] Call dad and ask him to cover for you. He should be able to understand that learning one's talent is important, and that Harry is trustworthy.
-[X] Propose a different date, when there's no need to find a babysitter for Rosie's siblings, or arrange for a babysitter so Rosie's absence is not an issue.
-[X] STUNT: While the thought of sneaking away is certainly compelling to your teenage spirit, there are more practical ways of doing things available to you. Ones that don't risk younger siblings ruining the whole scheme. You flip open your phone, calling dad, to explain how you want to take Rosie to meet Harry and Mouse, and why. Rosie's parents wouldn't let her out of the house normally. With your dad serving as a chaperone, however? That's another story.
 
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Another reason not to sneak Rosie out is that school starts very soon. If she doesn't screw up now, she'll be able to get out of the house soon enough without any sneaking required, and likely have free time after school each day before she needs to be home to keep peace with her parents.

Just a few more months and our options will become much more open-ended.
I am gonna be honest the appearance of going to school matters. Honestly her school life has to basically been ruined though like way beyond repair and if we are being honest we are likely to just hire her. plus literally nothing school teaches her is going to prepare her for taking care of the kid.
 
I am gonna be honest the appearance of going to school matters. Honestly her school life has to basically been ruined though like way beyond repair and if we are being honest we are likely to just hire her. plus literally nothing school teaches her is going to prepare her for taking care of the kid.
She shouldn't be robbed of opportunity to go to college, and should, in fact, be encouraged to do so, in order to broaden her horizons, if nothing else, and to make her less dependant on us. We could hire governesses, nannies and such to take care of the kid so that's viable.
 
[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
-[X] Use Subterfuge or Etiquette excellency
-[X] Call dad and ask him to cover for you. He should be able to understand that learning one's talent is important, and that Harry is trustworthy.
-[X] Propose a different date, when there's no need to find a babysitter for Rosie's siblings, or arrange for a babysitter so Rosie's absence is not an issue.
-[X] STUNT: While the thought of sneaking away is certainly compelling to your teenage spirit, there are more practical ways of doing things available to you. Ones that don't risk younger siblings ruining the whole scheme. You flip open your phone, calling dad, to explain how you want to take Rosie to meet Harry and Mouse, and why. Rosie's parents wouldn't let her out of the house normally. With your dad serving as a chaperone, however? That's another story.
 
She shouldn't be robbed of opportunity to go to college, and should, in fact, be encouraged to do so, in order to broaden her horizons, if nothing else, and to make her less dependant on us. We could hire governesses, nannies and such to take care of the kid so that's viable.
Gonna be honest college is kinda glorified when really most of the time it's really just a money sink for the people who go to it. Also I meant the school she's in in which her social life is done she's fucked it's not gonna be easy it's going to be hellish and she has a kid to raise. Honestly if she has the kid she doesn't have time to finish there's no way and without our help she's most likely to you know live in abject poverty with said kid.

Also literally nothing she learns is gonna be useful in a career in which we hire her. If anything we'd pay her to study magic not go to college.
 
Gonna be honest college is kinda glorified when really most of the time it's really just a money sink for the people who go to it. Also I meant the school she's in in which her social life is done she's fucked it's not gonna be easy it's going to be hellish and she has a kid to raise. Honestly if she has the kid she doesn't have time to finish there's no way and without our help she's most likely to you know live in abject poverty with said kid.

Also literally nothing she learns is gonna be useful in a career in which we hire her. If anything we'd pay her to study magic not go to college.
I think that studying either mythology, or psychology, or maybe even art would be helpful in Oneiromancy and magic practice on general. Maybe somnology. Of course there's also an option of sending her to study in our kingdom.
 
Inviting Michael is helping to establish that there are parent-aged people who can be trusted. Michael is good at being trusted.


Rosie wasn't a practitioner then. She wants to meet practitioners, and Harry is one, a sure one a at that. A better, more experienced one, but, and this is important, with different talents than Rosie. He would be both cool to talk with, and not completely overshadowing her successes with his casual mastery.


Lydia is a terrible choice. She not a mortal magic user. You could as well invite Maeve or something. As far as meeting other practitioners, Lydia should not be the first choice at all.


"Young lady, where did you get the money for this car?" Is not a question we want to answer right now to noisy muggle parents.
1)Michael is good in general. ROSIE has authority issues.
Furthermore, Rosie knows Michael already; has for for years. Michael does not do supernatural stuff, or hang out in supernatural venues, unless his Calling calls for it. Molly doesnt mention her father being the Fist of God even to her friends.

Its not like with Lydia, who met Michael as a Knight.


2)How does this make any difference?
The fact that she knows about magic know does not actually give her any additional skill at detecting it in real life. She doesnt even have Oneiromancy 1 yet, and as far as I can tell, her Awareness has not improved.

Furthermore, Harry Dresden is not our bitch. Dude has a life.
Dude is our friend because we got grandfathered into the "Carpenters saved his life and vice versa" arrangement.
Molly may have a crush on him, but we arent age mates. We dont just call on him at every opportunity.

He isnt someone you impose on because "my friend is bored and wants to meet supernaturals".


3)Lydia is a scion. She's as human as we are. And frankly, she's the best immediate choice at hand.
She's been homeschooled to roughly Masters degree equivalent in the humanities, and high school in the Sciences.
She's lived in multiple foreign countries. And she's Occult 1.

Harry Dresden is a 31 year old White Council wizard.
He's almost twice Rosie's age, and he's vastly her superior in power, flexibility, knowledge, experience and skill.
He has two fulltime jobs, and he's a paramilitary commander in the middle of a war.

He also has, to Molly's knowledge, the attention of the Denarians, the Red Court and the Winter Queen.
There's a Fallen Angel buried in his basement.
He isnt the sort of person you take a neophyte around casually or without preparation.

Harry is objectively speaking a dangerous person to know.

Michael is a 50 year old paladin.
In this quest, he's known Rosie since she was climbing around in his treehouse when she was eight or so.
He does not fit the bill because he doesnt do anything supernatural except at need.


4)For one thing, you assume that a non-gearhead would recognize a 2006 AMG as more special than the other tens of thousands of Mercedes on the road. Any more than they would recognize a BMW M-class or Audi RS as anything other than just German sports car. If you know, you know. If you dont, you wont notice.

Its not a Rolls or a Lamborghini or something similar.

For another, no American parent is going to demand that another parent's child tell them where they got the money for their (insert item here). That's horribly intrusive.
You might as well ask another adult to show you their bank statement.

If the Wilsons were close enough to the Carpenters to expect an answer to that question, they'd just ask Charity or Michael.
Here, they are going to assume the girl who is living at home with her parents got the money in some way her parents approved of.
Savings account, an inheritance, her parents bought it for her as an early birthday present.

Seriously, parents who can afford it do buy expensive cars for their teenagers. Its not just an American thing.

I am gonna be honest the appearance of going to school matters. Honestly her school life has to basically been ruined though like way beyond repair and if we are being honest we are likely to just hire her. plus literally nothing school teaches her is going to prepare her for taking care of the kid.
She's a year ahead of us. She graduated this June/July.
She's probably going to take a gap year to deal with the pregnancy and take SATs before trying to get into college, assuming the money is available.
 
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I think that studying either mythology, or psychology, or maybe even art would be helpful in Oneiromancy and magic practice on general. Maybe somnology. Of course there's also an option of sending her to study in our kingdom.
All of which are very flawed data heck white council has flawed data colleges aren't gonna be all too useful. She can get that by paying the occult store for books. Also calling our dimension schools college is bullshit no way she can get a degree for that lol.
 
Well the unique benefit is 'you do as she asks you to and she gets to see the world of magic with her own eyes'. So far all she has had are some funky dreams. It is worth keeping in mind that Rosanna has agency, including the agency to make bad decisions yes, but having bad judgement does not mean someone else has to pick up the slack.
What eyes? Girl still has Awareness 0 as far as I can tell:V
I mean, sure she has agency to make her own bad decisions, but we dont have to abet them.

More pertinently, Molly hasnt actually been to any of those spaces herself. Not Bock's, not McAnally's.
Doesnt know how things work there, and what if any risks are.
Her Urge would be diametrically opposed to YOLOing things

Especially since Rosie in particular is someone who Molly already caused psychic damage to in ignorance out of a desire to help.
I dont see her being in a hurry to risk that again.
Gonna be honest college is kinda glorified when really most of the time it's really just a money sink for the people who go to it. Also I meant the school she's in in which her social life is done she's fucked it's not gonna be easy it's going to be hellish and she has a kid to raise. Honestly if she has the kid she doesn't have time to finish there's no way and without our help she's most likely to you know live in abject poverty with said kid.

Also literally nothing she learns is gonna be useful in a career in which we hire her. If anything we'd pay her to study magic not go to college.
I think that studying either mythology, or psychology, or maybe even art would be helpful in Oneiromancy and magic practice on general. Maybe somnology. Of course there's also an option of sending her to study in our kingdom.
1)While we intend to set up a trustfund for her?
Girl needs a career, and the option to do things that arent tied up in Molly's life and times.
Its not a kindness to build her life around our own.


2)No. In modern US society, college is important if you arent born wealthy or dont intend a blue collar career.
Sure, some people basically go to college to party, but thats as much a choice as anything else. Certifications and a lot of longterm networking are a college thing.

All the tech billionaires who didnt finish college and dropped out still did much of their early networking in college.


3)Lots of people go through college after having kids.Lots of people work after having kids; they cant afford to stay home.

Rosie's due date is in January. Start of the college year is in late Aug/early September.
If she's aiming at college admissions in September next year, she can take her SATs between now and December, and apply for the 2007/2008 college year. By then her baby would be 8-9 months old, and would have started bottle feeding.

Its well within norms for a lot of American people.
She just happens to be doing it at 18-19, instead of in her mid-20s/30s when married and managing a household with a working husband and 2-3 kids.
 
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What eyes? Girl still has Awareness 0 as far as I can tell:V
I mean, sure she has agency to make her own bad decisions, but we dont have to abet them.

More pertinently, Molly hasnt actually been to any of those spaces herself. Not Bock's, not McAnally's.
Doesnt know how things work there, and what if any risks are.
Her Urge would be diametrically opposed to YOLOing things

Her urge is to find out secrets, fast or slow, it does not matter as far as that is concerned. You have to keep in mind Exaltation does not make one more reasonable, just more capable
 
What eyes? Girl still has Awareness 0 as far as I can tell:V
I mean, sure she has agency to make her own bad decisions, but we dont have to abet them.

More pertinently, Molly hasnt actually been to any of those spaces herself. Not Bock's, not McAnally's.
Doesnt know how things work there, and what if any risks are.
Her Urge would be diametrically opposed to YOLOing things

Especially since Rosie in particular is someone who Molly already caused psychic damage to in ignorance out of a desire to help.
I dont see her being in a hurry to risk that again.


1)While we intend to set up a trustfund for her?
Girl needs a career, and the option to do things that arent tied up in Molly's life and times.
Its not a kindness to build her life around our own.


2)No. In modern US society, college is important if you arent born wealthy or dont intend a blue collar career.
Sure, some people basically go to college to party, but thats as much a choice as anything else. Certifications and a lot of longterm networking are a college thing.

All the tech billionaires who didnt finish college and dropped out still did much of their early networking in college.


3)Lots of people go through college after having kids.Lots of people work after having kids; they cant afford to stay home.

Rosie's due date is in January. Start of the college year is in late Aug/early September.
If she's aiming at college admissions in September next year, she can take her SATs between now and December, and apply for the 2007/2008 college year. By then her baby would be 8-9 months old, and would have started bottle feeding.

Its well within norms for a lot of American people.
She just happens to be doing it at 18-19, instead of in her mid-20s/30s when married and managing a household with a working husband and 2-3 kids.
I'm in college and its really not the majority of people who go to college don't come out with things useful for careers coming out of it. Also certainly nothing that would let you take care of a child once your out college degrees don't help you get immediate good jobs they help you get good jobs several years after leaving college none of which helps a child.
 
[X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
 
Magical career is a viable life path that doesn't need to revolve around Molly.
Not in Dresden Files.
Magic may be your calling, but it doesnt pay the bills. Not for Harry, not for Michael, not for Elaine or Thomas or the Ordo Lebes.

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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 21, 2022 at 7:28 AM, finished with 100 posts and 27 votes.

  • [X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
    [X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it si fragile enough as it is
    [X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
    -[X] Use Subterfuge or Etiquette excellency
    -[X] Call dad and ask him to cover for you. He should be able to understand that learning one's talent is important, and that Harry is trustworthy.
    -[X] Propose a different date, when there's no need to find a babysitter for Rosie's siblings, or arrange for a babysitter so Rosie's absence is not an issue.
    -[X] STUNT: While the thought of sneaking away is certainly compelling to your teenage spirit, there are more practical ways of doing things available to you. Ones that don't risk younger siblings ruining the whole scheme. You flip open your phone, calling dad, to explain how you want to take Rosie to meet Harry and Mouse, and why. Rosie's parents wouldn't let her out of the house normally. With your dad serving as a chaperone, however? That's another story.
    [x] Plausible Deniability, Misdirection, and Stacking the Deck
    -[x] Agree that doing something of the sort would be a very good idea.
    -[x] However, tonight may be too soon to set something like this up.
    -[x] There would be a lot of moving parts in such a plan, and a lot of things that could go wrong.
    --[x] For one, she may be expected to keep an eye on her younger sibling, or else there would be a babysitter present. Both cases could lead to us getting found out.
    --[x] If we get caught, her parents won't want her to be in contact with us in the future.
    --[x] They may also be more restrictive of her activities in general.
    -[x] Set up something with some plausible deniability that we can sell to her parents as something that would be helpful for her.
    --[x] I don't personally know what might be most convincing to her parents, am open to suggestions here.
    --[x] Possibly enlist Michael or Charity to help sell it to her parents? They certainly have a more 'respectable' image than we do.
    --[x] If Harry must be brought up at all, frame it to her parents as him being a good friend who does some work as a police consultant.
    --[x] Am I missing anything?
    -[x] Once she is free to go, default to 'agree' plan in terms of itinerary, with the possible inclusion of having Michael chat with her a little bit, and maybe have her meet Lydia at some point? The latter may be something that happens later on, though.
    [X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it is fragile enough as it is
    -[X] You could see if Father Forthill has some part-time job? There is always something to help with and any such job could come with ample breaks with time for self-improvement. Sanctuary is a time honored christian tradition.
    [X] Agree, it will be good for Rosie to meet new people, you can take her around to meet Harry and Mouse or even go looking for Rose of Autumn in real life
    -[X] Use Subterfuge or Etiquette excellency
    -[X] Call dad and ask him to cover for you. He should be able to understand that learning one's talent is important, and that Harry is trustworthy.
    -[X] STUNT: While the thought of sneaking away is certainly compelling to your teenage spirit, there are more practical ways of doing things available to you. Ones that don't risk younger siblings ruining the whole scheme. You flip open your phone, calling dad, to explain how you want to take Rosie to meet Harry and Mouse, and why. Rosie's parents wouldn't let her out of the house normally. With your dad serving as a chaperone, however? That's another story.
    [X] Refuse, you do not want to risk her getting into trouble with her mother because of something you did. Their relationship feels like it is fragile enough as it is
    -[x] Molly sighed. "Aren't you babysitting the little ones? " She asked, sitting on the bed.
    -[x] "Look, you need to take care of them, but as soon as I can figure something out, I'll introduce you to Harry and show you around."
 
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