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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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fictionfan said:
That would be interesting if Jupiter was still alive and powerful as ever, no more able to effect earth then we can release the curses of those who do not serve us.
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The interesting thing about that is that we should be able to undo curses just fine with Emerald/Sapphire Circle Countermagic.
Its just that Whampires are as much possessed as cursed.
Or just Excellency-boosted hedgemagic unweaving.

So just Molly's ignorance showing
 
DragonParadox said:
That is not quite where the thought was going. It was sort of stumbling towards a different King of the Gods.;)
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Oh you are talking about how Alcoholics Anonymous advocates for dealing with addiction by using faith in God. I wonder if creatures of darkness having faith in Molly would have a similar effect? Or better. The AA program is of limited effectiveness when put to tests in real life.
 
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[X] As an financial agent, not that he has much experience in such matters, but 'not much' is still more than your none
 
[X] As an financial agent, not that he has much experience in such matters, but 'not much' is still more than your none
 
uju32 said:
Furthermore, using the White King's son as a spy in the White Court is the sort of thing that leads to political crises if/when he's caught.We dont want that. Lara and House Raith is the best current option for leading the White Court as far as Humanity and the White Council of Wizards is concerned; we dont want to destabilize them such that Skavis or Malvora get to stage a coup.
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You are thinking a bit short here.

The world does not need a White Court. And the White Court is in all practical terms much weaker than the Red One, both in terms of mystic power and actual human support (The Reds own both gods and countries, the Whites merely influence the latter).

A White Court fighting among itself will give opportunities over the next years. And looking at our growth-rate, ending the White Court as an organisation is well within our means in a few years.
Not the Whampires as a species of course, too far spread-out, too subtle in living among humans.
But shattering them like the Black Court...
 
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Specifically, there is a 3-dot charm in prayer eating which allows to fulfill prayers.

It is supposed to be pretty low impact stuff, very much in line with low dots of Fortune, though. Excellencies and other things could push it further, but... Fortune is just kind of better.
 
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How about we use him as a social tutor, networking agent, and modern supernatural culture source?

A discount for social dots from training would be nice, as would getting a cultural update on the supernatural world that doesn't come from a wizard or knight of the cross.

They're both involved, but they're not ground level in a lot of ways. Thomas is insulted as well, but he's got a different angle and less coverage in some ways.

In terms of networking, if we define the task as looking for and into people worth working with or recruiting it would be a simpler thing for him to incorporate into his life already.

It's sort of spying adjacent, but I'm mostly thinking relatively open information we don't have access to and that wouldn't get too much interest from anyone who noticed him collecting it.
 
uju32 said:
3)Thomas is a successful small business owner.
He drives a Hummer and a Jaguar. He owns a boat on the Lakes. He has employees, he runs payroll, he rents real estate for business, he manages expenses. He has bankers to handle his financials and accountants to balance his taxes.

He knows who to call and who to talk to about money. And he has the charm to get people to do stuff for him.
He is a much better fit as a financial agent than as anything else.
At least in the short to medium term.
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He's also in a good position to do some money laundering for us.

[X] As an financial agent, not that he has much experience in such matters, but 'not much' is still more than your none
 
[X] As an financial agent, not that he has much experience in such matters, but 'not much' is still more than your none

Alright, I'm convinced. First job: figure out how to turn the synthetic diamonds we're making this turn into a whole lot of cash!
 
Artemis1992 said:
You are thinking a bit short here.

The world does not need a White Court. And the White Court is in all practical terms much weaker than the Red One, both in terms of mystic power and actual human support (The Reds own both gods and countries, the Whites merely influence the latter).

A White Court fighting among itself will give opportunities over the next years. And looking at our growth-rate, ending the White Court as an organisation is well within our means in a few years.
Not the Whampires as a species of course, too far spread-out, too subtle in living among humans.
But shattering them like the Black Court...
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I expect the White Court to fall under our sway over time. As we help Wvamps of undertown and get more charms in that direction. The White Court falling under our control is about as inevitable as gravity. Either it will happen slowly over time (my preference) or the current leadership will realize what is happening and do something rash in which case it will happen much faster.

But we don't need a spy for that.
 
uju32 said:
Oh sure.
A man who has been dying of thirst in the wildnerness does not stop to consider the risks of waterborne disease at the first stream they find.

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[X] As an financial agent, not that he has much experience in such matters, but 'not much' is still more than your none



REASONS
1)We dont need a spy in the White Court.
We have other options, from cyberdevils to the Crown of Eyes to potentially summoning spirits or talking to wyldfae and animals and ghosts.

Furthermore, using the White King's son as a spy in the White Court is the sort of thing that leads to political crises if/when he's caught.We dont want that. Lara and House Raith is the best current option for leading the White Court as far as Humanity and the White Council of Wizards is concerned; we dont want to destabilize them such that Skavis or Malvora get to stage a coup.


2) We dont need a military adjutant yet.
And we dont want (this) one. Hiring the black sheep son of the White King at the same time when we appear to be recruiting renegade Whites and ghouls in Undertown is a very Bad Look.

We dont want to kick off a small war in Chicago by mistake. Sure we'd win, but the collateral would be horrendous.
And it might make us miss Prom. Or distract us from other stuff, like Odin.


3)Thomas is a successful small business owner.
He drives a Hummer and a Jaguar. He owns a boat on the Lakes. He has employees, he runs payroll, he rents real estate for business, he manages expenses. He has bankers to handle his financials and accountants to balance his taxes.

He knows who to call and who to talk to about money. And he has the charm to get people to do stuff for him.
He is a much better fit as a financial agent than as anything else.
At least in the short to medium term.

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Also, the son of the White King doing business with us is not going to cause a supernatural war with the White Court.
Its lowkey, and has no direct political implications.
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Ok. You sold me. Changing vote
[X] As an financial agent, not that he has much experience in such matters, but 'not much' is still more than your none
 
As an aside, this whole thing is going to make Harry and Thomas's next conversation interesting. I mean, their experiences with Molly couldn't be any more different.

If she was any more a demon queen right now the manager would declare independence and install her as dread overlady of the Starbucks Sovereignty; Caliph of Caffeine and Defender of the Brand. Something Thomas probably won't be able to forget anytime soon.

Contrast with Harry who, for all his recent exposure to her power, was probably around when she was learning to ride a bike.

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BronzeTongue said:
As an aside, this whole thing is going to make Harry and Thomas's next conversation interesting. I mean, their experiences with Molly couldn't be any more different.

If she was any more a demon queen right now the manager would declare independence and install her as dread overlady of the Starbucks Sovereignty; Caliph of Caffeine and Defender of the Brand. Something Thomas probably won't be able to forget anytime soon.

Contrast with Harry who, for all his recent exposure to her power, was probably around when she was learning to ride a bike.

Edit: spelling correction
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If Thomas tells Harry Dresden the obvious next question would be if we can help Susan in the same way.

@DragonParadox : Does Thomas count as an unwholesome being that we have bound into our service?
 
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fictionfan said:
If Thomas tells Harry Dresden the obvious next question would be if we can help Susan in the same way.
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He probably will unless we tell him not to, and even if he doesn't in a general level their impressions are different.

They're not the type to pointlessly gossip, but Molly has been pretty central to their current circumstances so it wouldn't be totally unreasonable for Thomas to reach out and ask for some more information on her even if he agrees to take our offer here and now.
 
Just had a weird thought. If a winter fey entered our service would they gain the ability to lie? Or more accurately lose the derangement stopping them from lieing.
 
[X] As an financial agent, not that he has much experience in such matters, but 'not much' is still more than your none
 
fictionfan said:
Just had a weird thought. If a winter fey entered our service would they gain the ability to lie? Or more accurately lose the derangement stopping them from lieing.
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I don't think it's a derangement exactly, since that implies it's an entirely psychological thing.

Fey can't overtly lie any more than a fish can fly. You can (theoretically) trick them into believing something incorrect but physically couldn't force them to tell direct lie without something as bullshit as nemesis on hand.

Maybe MiS can do it, but the problem isn't as simple as a curse or something.
 
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