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C_Z said:
Counterpoint, the CRF gives a +3 to every roll. Sure, that may only be +9 or +18 to the rocket boxes, but the probability distribution of a whole bunch of d100s added together is really narrow (for one quarter, it has a deviation of 47.6 although the "drop lowest" results in a prominent negative skew). Finishing CRF would be a minor, but not inconsequential boost to us being able to finish rocket boxes this year; we could then do a crash program to finish the HSR pad in Q3/Q4.

There also isn't really a huge benefit I can see to launching our HSR right away; while I've generally been arguing for us to push to orbit as fast as possible, I also want us to deliver on our promises. If we can show reliability, then we're more likely to get more support in the future when we start promising the really radical stuff.
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True, assuming Stage 3 costs 300 it seems like the CRF gives us about a increases our chance to complete Rocket Boxes by about 4 percentage points per turn we've got it (from 70% to 74%, etc...). I'm on the fence on which is best, but for prioritizing the computers, CyberEnby's plan seems ideal.
 
C_Z said:
There also isn't really a huge benefit I can see to launching our HSR right away; while I've generally been arguing for us to push to orbit as fast as possible, I also want us to deliver on our promises. If we can show reliability, then we're more likely to get more support in the future when we start promising the really radical stuff.
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I can see some.

Succesfull launches that we do not use for projects give us bonusses. It's a bit chancy, but getting in extra test launches helps.
 
[X] Plan: A Rocketeer Always Pays Their Debts

We made promises and I want to keep them.
 
[X] Plan: A Rocketeer Always Pays Their Debts
Shadows said:
[ ] There is Power in a Union - The PAO says you should expand your physical footprint so more people can interact with the IEC. It sounds like a great idea, but to do that you'll need to contract another construction worker's union. (0/100, 5R per dice, -5 PS on completion. Gain +1 Facilities dice, +5 to Facilities rolls) (UNAVAILABLE UNTIL Q1 1953)
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Should we have gained +5 to Facilities from doing this last turn?
 
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[X] Plan: Heavy Weather Rocket Boxes
-[X] Construct a 2-Stage Sounding Rocket (1 die, 15R)
--[X] And reserve it for Weather Studies
-[X] Construct a Heavy Sounding Rocket launch site 8/60 (1 die, 15R)
-[X] Construct a Computational Research Facility 19/180 (1 die, 20R)
-[X] Conduct Design Studies (Platform) (Heavy Sounding Rocket) [AERO] 49/80 (1 die, 5R)
-[X] Conduct Design Studies (Early Orbital Rocket) (Phase I) [AERO, PHYS] 0/300 (2 dice, 30R)
-[X] Weather Studies (Phase 3) 67/160 (3 dice, 30R)
-[X] Rocket Boxes (Phase II) 103/300 (2 dice, 10R)
-[X] Space For All 0/120 (1 die, 5R)
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Shadows on Nov 4, 2022 at 11:15 PM, finished with 18 posts and 11 votes.
    • [X] Plan: A Rocketeer Always Pays Their Debts
      [X] Sounding Rocket and Orbital Rocket - 120 R
      -[X] Construct a 2-Stage Sounding Rocket (15R per dice, 0/45, costs 1 Build Capacity until complete)
      --[X] Use as a part of Weather Studies
      -[X] Construct a Heavy Sounding Rocket launch site (15R per die, 8/60, allows launch of the Heavy Sounding Rocket and theoretical derivatives up to 30 tons)
      -[X] Construct a Computational Research Facility (20R per die, 19/180, +3 to all projects)
      -[X] Conduct Design Studies (Platform) (Heavy Sounding Rocket) [AERO] (5R per die, 49/80, unlocks Heavy Sounding Rocket (and a naming vote because that's unwieldy))
      -[X] Conduct Design Studies (Early Orbital Rocket) (Phase I) [AERO, PHYS] (15R per dice, 0/300) - 2 DICE
      -[X] Tracking Station Surveys (5R per dice, 0/150, unlocks Tracking Station Construction project for Facilities) - 2 DICE
      -[X] Weather Studies (Phase 3) (10R per die, requires a Sounding Rocket, 67/160) (+5 PS on complete) (High Priority)
      -[X] Rocket Boxes (Phase II) (5R per die, 103/300. Gives Rocket Boxes to every middle-school, high-school and university or equivalent in Asia and Oceania. Encourages future scientists and engineers - some of whom will even come work with the IEC.) - 3 DICE
      [X] Sounding Rocket and Orbital Rocket - 120 R
      [X] sounding rocket and orbital rocket
      [X] Plan: Heavy Weather Rocket Boxes
      -[X] Construct a 2-Stage Sounding Rocket (1 die, 15R)
      --[X] And reserve it for Weather Studies
      -[X] Construct a Heavy Sounding Rocket launch site 8/60 (1 die, 15R)
      -[X] Construct a Computational Research Facility 19/180 (1 die, 20R)
      -[X] Conduct Design Studies (Platform) (Heavy Sounding Rocket) [AERO] 49/80 (1 die, 5R)
      -[X] Conduct Design Studies (Early Orbital Rocket) (Phase I) [AERO, PHYS] 0/300 (2 dice, 30R)
      -[X] Weather Studies (Phase 3) 67/160 (3 dice, 30R)
      -[X] Rocket Boxes (Phase II) 103/300 (2 dice, 10R)
      -[X] Space For All 0/120 (1 die, 5R)
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    Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: 2-Stage Sounding Rocket Build Total: 92
    92 92
    Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: 2-Stage Sounding Rocket Launch Total: 68
    68 68
    Shadows threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Computational Research Fac Total: 74
    27 27 47 47
    Shadows threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Early Orbital Rocket Design Total: 32
    8 8 2 2 22 22
    Shadows threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Weather Studies Phase 3 Total: 95
    31 31 64 64
    Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Tracking Station Surveys Total: 21
    21 21
    Shadows threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Rocket Boxes Total: 170
    92 92 23 23 55 55
    Shadows threw 1 2-faced dice. Reason: Bonus Gacha Total: 1
    1 1
     
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    • Hooray sounding rocket and weather studies finished. Shame Early Orbital rolled low but that's alright.

    Rocket boxes being 17 points from completion is nice, should only need one more die. A middling turn I guess, thank god we didn't roll a 1 instead of that 2 haha.
     
    2-Stage Sounding Rocket 92+3 = 95/45 Launch 68
    Computational Research Facility 19+27+47+10 = 103/180
    Early Orbital Rocket Design 8+2+22+18+9 = 59/300
    Weather Studies Phase 3 67+31+64+12 = 174/160
    Tracking Station Surveys 21+6 = 27/150
    Rocket Boxes Phase 2 103+92+23+55+30 = 303/300
    +10PS

    We've completed our promise for weather studies, so that's nice. And we're on the final promised phase of rocket boxes.
    Also that's two more successful launches so time for another research gacha.
     
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    trooperist said:
    2-Stage Sounding Rocket 92+3 = 95/45 Launch 68
    Computational Research Facility 19+27+47+10 = 103/180
    Early Orbital Rocket Design 8+2+22+18+9 = 59/300
    Weather Studies Phase 3 67+31+64+12 = 174/160
    Tracking Station Surveys 21+6 = 27/150
    Rocket Boxes Phase 2 103+92+23+55+30 = 303/300
    +10PS

    We've completed our promise for weather studies, so that's nice. And we're on the final promised phase of rocket boxes.
    Also that's two more successful launches so time for another research gacha.
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    Looks like two more actions on Computational Research Facility next turn.

    Can probably keep the pedal pressed down on Orbital Rocket design since we won't have a HSSR platform ready otherwise.

    We can throw three dice at tracking stations but that seems overkill. Maybe Two on that and one on... All Sky Survey? Again keeping Material Science for council negotiations.

    Three dice on Rocket Boxes.
     
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    Looks like two more actions on Computational Research Facility next turn.

    Can probably keep the pedal pressed down on Orbital Rocket design since we won't have a HSSR platform ready otherwise.

    We can throw three dice at tracking stations but that seems overkill. Maybe Two on that and one on... All Sky Survey? Again keeping Material Science for council negotiations.

    Three dice on Rocket Boxes.
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    Similar thoughts from me as well.

    I think, when it comes time for 1952 council negotiations, we should promise a touch less - it makes for a more interesting year when we don't have clear priorities.
     
    There's probably another weather studies stage we can put a die into under Science as well. It would be nice to get the Big Ear before going too far on the All-Sky Survey but our facilities dice are committed and I'd be wary of sending people and materials to an isolated place with partisan activity so high anyway.

    We may want to just start on one of the chemical/material science items though - even if it means a promise in it would mean getting to level 3 instead of level 2, Materials Science is probably the most pressing.science option we've got after the tracking network.
     
    I think we do want to make a number of promises for the upcoming council session in order to get ourselves above 50 PS. A little buffer would be good, and there are certain promises we can make for free: abstaining from spaceplane research, material science research.

    Aside from that... we'll see what crops up. Limiting our facility dice may be prudent as well since we're still a way away from even knowing what our launcher will be like.

    Material science is definitely our next priority get IMO. It's just too useful for reducing our dry mass fractions. And It'll probably unlock balloon tanks in Engineering which will give our engineering dice something to sink their teeth into.

    Fun fact about balloon tanks! The reason Atlas made the switch from balloon tanks to more traditional ones had very little to do with ease of handling or performance or anything like that. It was because the manufacturer was tired of explaining over and over and over and over again to regulatory bodies that yes, balloon tanks were safe, no they were not going to fold in half like that one infamous picture. At a certain point it was cheaper to just make the switch that continue dealing with that.
    Balloon tanks also tend to get easier to manufacture as you scale them up (because the gauge can be thicker and your QC doesn't have to be as exacting) so if we go that route I could see us building rather chonky rockets because we don't have to bother with making our rockets road transportable (the benefits of vertical integration at a single geographic location). Rockets spend such a short time in atmosphere, that we don't have to give them a fineness ratio of 13-20 like missiles need, anything over 6 will do for us.
     
    Hmmm, what are balloon tanks again....Oh yeah! I had to sit next to an Atlas for a summer listening to the air compressor turn on and off all day to keep it inflated. People still couldn't believe it when we told them that the tank walls where as thick as a nickel.
     
    trooperist said:
    2-Stage Sounding Rocket 92+3 = 95/45 Launch 68
    Computational Research Facility 19+27+47+10 = 103/180
    Early Orbital Rocket Design 8+2+22+18+9 = 59/300
    Weather Studies Phase 3 67+31+64+12 = 174/160
    Tracking Station Surveys 21+6 = 27/150
    Rocket Boxes Phase 2 103+92+23+55+30 = 303/300
    +10PS

    We've completed our promise for weather studies, so that's nice. And we're on the final promised phase of rocket boxes.
    Also that's two more successful launches so time for another research gacha.
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    No rocket gacha bonus this time I'm afraid.

    By the by, is there anything anyone can think of that would improve the quest and people's enjoyment of it?
     
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