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True though I doubt the exact circumstances they went about it were all too free and flexible I doubt they got all that much room in what they wanted.
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In what household has the disapproval of a teenager ever set policy?
The man wouldnt even tell her about her heritage, or what he was doing in Chicago
You overestimate Lydia's influence over her father's actions.
Yes, I do. Because I understand Mab's motivations, and that she wont put personal satisfaction over her responsibilities.
The only confirmed motivations I have for Arawn are his personal freedom.
Dude cut a deal with Kemmler over it.
Are you confident the lives of *counts* four people are worth more to him than his continuing to evade Mab?
Because Im not.
Dude tool a bribe from Kemmler to get here, and he knew how much blood Big K had on his hands even then.
It really isnt.
Not when, like the Corpsetaker, he can turn around on a dime.
And we know very little about his combat abilities to boot.
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I dont agree. I think she can empathize just fine, she just doesnt take that empathy through to compassion for most people.
At least not usually; the aftermath of Battlegrounds sees a lot of fae-mediated weather changes around Chicago to help in the aftermath of the humanitarian disaster.
Like I said, its your story. You can write it as you want.
Seventeen year old Molly gets remarkably salty when her mother attempts to restrict her for her own good and safety.
So imagine precisely how thankful a grown man will be for you takingg his choices away from him.
Dresdem did not ask us to knock him out.
He's a thirty one year old man, who has been playing by big boy rules for the last five years. We are not his gramps, mother or brother. He gets violent when his godmother tries to force him into decisions.
Dont patronise him or attempt to take away his choices. Or you will damage our relationship with him permanently.
Furthermore, we have no existing reputation or relationship with Winter. They dont have to listen to us.
Harry does have a reputation. He was their Emissary when Aurora died. His godmother is the second strongest person in Winter.
They WILL listen to him, at least as an introduction.
Not true.
Canon Harry promised Mab he wouldnt suicide after becoming Winter Knight; she specifically extracted that promise because she knew the type of person Dresden is, and the lengths he would go fpr his principles. And for spite.
So instead he hired Kincaid to shoot himself at the end of Changes and had Molly wipe his mind of the memory.
It took more than a year and the intervention of Demonreach, Mab and Uriel to preserve his body and bring him back to life at the end of Ghost Story. Do you know what Mab did when he came back to life? Nothing.
Because Mab aint dumb.
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He is trying to kill the Heirs of Kemmler so the secrets of his mantle die with them.
We know he will go after Corpsetaker right away.
We have no reason to believe he'll even try to attack Molly or Dresden, but you do you.
I do remember her spending Dresden's entire recovery making attempts to kill him, at least once a day.
Nevertheless it's clear we won't ever see eye to eye on this.
I am growing tired of discussing this with you.
We dont actually know that.
For all we know, he's trying to kill the Heirs of Kemmler because their deaths strengthen his Mantle, or for some other reason.
We literally have no idea of the dude's motivations.
We dont have a reputation to sway him as Dresden might.
We arent a wizard, so we cant soulgaze him. We have no social charms atm.
We're operating in an information vacuum labelled Lydia's dad. I dont like it.
Dresden has had terrible luck with the fathers of young women; both Conny Barrowhill and Inari Raith's fathers tried to kill him at one point or the other.
Yes. As training to survive in Winter.
Not as punishment.
Its the difference between making someone do pushups to get their strength backup, and pushups as punishment.
Fair enough.
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Not sure he even has a soul. I assume Odin does if only because word of god is he has soul fire.
I assume everyone sapient does until proven otherwise.
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I mean mab doesn't. Sapience clearly doesn't mean souled. Souls allow one to change and choose not having a soul doesn't mean you can't make decisions it means that you can not easily change. Well that and other things.
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IIRC in something recent harry gets mocked at one point for his assertion that Fae dont have souls, with something like "then what does he think were thinking with"? They dont have HUMAN souls however, which is a significant difference.
Always remember that Harry is not all knowing, and limited in his knowledge (or just flat out wrong) about a lot of things.
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Usum mocked him with that back in the church.
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Quest vs canon I guess. Though that was about usum not fae.
Also not even just a harry thing it's a word of Jim thing. Which is still useful for quest I assume there are many things that are correct there which aren't here though.
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Yeah, and that's weird because it sort of contradicts something Harry said in a chapter.
I was under the impression that Mab could hear when her name was said, especially in threes, but that she couldn't cross over just anywhere unless a wizard is doing some actual work as well. Not without special circumstances anyway.
In the books we see Harry do something more free form, but it involved him stopping to meditate and carefully assemble a mental model of a circle first. One that offered him effectively no protection, so it wasn't like he was just being careful. I want to say it was around the time he agreed to become the winter knight. Possibly the very instance where he called her for that purpose.
If this isn't the case, then why would Harry bother to negotiate these terms? He should know exactly what the rules and requirements for a summoning like this are.
@DragonParadox what exactly was he going for there?
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I think this was mostly about not breaking the masquerade.
All supernatural creatures that aren't wizards and can cross from the nevernever have to do it by opening ways at areas of resonance. So if Mab wants to get here she at minimum needs to hike over to the nearest crossing point and jump over herself. A summoning skips all of that.
I doubt she's just waiting in the woods somewhere waiting for a frantic entry point.
And it doesn't explain what Harry was thinking. He knows the rules here, why was he negotiating a term that doesn't actually do anything? Especially as his only protective condition.
He's not perfect, but that's the sort of oversight that kills practitioners way before they get his kind of experience. Especially if they've dealt with the fey as much as he has.
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Wait, I misinterpreted what you were saying as applying to Mab's abilities and not Harry's condition.
I don't really agree with that either; Mab isn't a crazed axe murder, she can walk around in public just fine. The masquerade is something she respects as well, so summoning her in public wouldn't really be a problem he has to deal with. Almost certainly not one he'd spend his only negotiating power to acquire.
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Mab can cross over wherever she pleases as long as she is not violating a threshold, which this place does not have. I mean think of Lilly when she made that Way at the start of the quest, she did not need to be invited by anyone.
But the whole reason they were in the movie theater was because it was the start of a way. If the fey want to go places instead of being summoned they have to follow a route on one side of the veil or the other.
Because it was specifically part of the Way that would lead to Arctis Tor in a way that squishy mortals could survive. If you are Mab you do not have to worry about what might get in your way.
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Huh, I wonder if the passage of major Powers like Mab moving through the Nevernever is what brings many Ways into existence?
Given her metaphysical 'weight' and the psychoreactive nature of the Nevernever, that makes a certain kind of sense. Also explains, at least in part, how Harry's mother got so versed in traveling the Ways when she was on such friendly terms with the Leanansidhe.
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Mab has definitely shown the capability to force ways into existence between specific points, or interfere with traveling on a large scale.
17 for sub, vs 20 to knock out Harry.
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