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Calli's BOF and Moose's BOF descriptions seem different from one another. No option to level Unarmed Combat, no weapon specializations. Is that on purpose, @eaglejarl?
I'm not him, but I'm just going to point out that it replaced every Skill that added percentages of the base damage of many different weapon types with one skill that multiplies the damage of unarmed combat, the description of which calls out that "on account of [you have] no thumbs."

It also replaced "hit annoying man with club" with "bite annoying man in half with teeth" in the introductory flavor text. Yeah, it's probably on purpose.
 
A lot of strong arguments for BoF.. but consider this though - we have a Wheeler Dealer in our team. What happens when we end up with a ton of celestial boxes with items that have unique effects.. but none of them work with Moose?

That has a potential for a lot of salt along the line.. I'd love for there to be a workaround, BoF on it's own is so damn good. Do you guys think we could cheese away this restriction somehow later?
 
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Say, just one question about BOF? We'll be getting the ability to copy spells to everyone, assuming Mystic Scholar next floor, so won't that mean that we care about the "no spells" disadvantage?

I think BOF is a super powerful class, don't get me wrong, but Moose does have a pretty great amount of intelligence at the moment, so spells would be good too, and we'll have greater access to them than most.
Since we didn't take Mystic Scholar ASAP, the loophole of creating scrolls of the Create Spellbook spell will probably be closed.
A lot of strong arguments for BoF.. but consider this though - we have a Wheeler Dealer in our team. What happens when we end up with a ton of celestial boxes with items that have unique effects.. but none of them work with Moose?

That has a potential for a lot of salt along the line.. I'd love for there to be a workaround, BoF on it's own is so damn good. Do you guys think we could cheese away this restriction somehow later?
He also won't be able to use his charge armor effect, either. But he can still use items with effects, he's just not allowed to trigger them.

And we're not getting many Celestials, if we're incredibly lucky and don't get accelerated, we might get one. Wheeler Dealer consolidates boxes, it doesn't work well for having many of anything. We'll either get four Gold boxes, or one Platinum. Eight Legendaries or one Celestial. Then we'll give the item to Taylor and hope it duplicates.
 
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After spending forever choosing things that aren't very flashy in the name of munchkinning VERY HARD it's nice to just be able to say I want the class that hit good. Honestly it's like a guilty pleasure.
 
[X] Class: Boring Ol' Fighter

Additional considerations:

- If Moose is actually dumb, rather than playing it up deliberately for his own amusement (which I consider extremely likely), then a simple killing-things class might be better than one that relies on advanced tactics he might not understand

- If all goes well, Team Trick Shot will soon become famous enough that other crawlers know their classes, in which case every crawler with a skull will be seeing a "this guy has significant incentive to murder you" sign over a Bounty Hunter Moose's head
 
After spending forever choosing things that aren't very flashy in the name of munchkinning VERY HARD it's nice to just be able to say I want the class that hit good. Honestly it's like a guilty pleasure.
Yeah. Like, I have all kinds of arguments about why I prefer Bounty Hunter to Fighter, but if I lose this vote I'm going to shrug. We've actually reached the point where we have a fairly solid base no matter what choice we make here, even Banna Farmer isn't bad.
 
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[X] Plan Hard Cash
It's the vote I feel strongest about because it gives Drew a Spellbook. Invulnerable is a very powerful Self Only spell, it looks like it basically pauses all damage for a short period. Because of SysOp if Drew gives the Spellbook to Taylor he could use it on anyone. (Well not right now we just voted to disable all his abilities with SysOp, but he could still use it on Moose because of Soulbonded).
We still need four votes to either Slip and Smack or to Hard Cash to get Invulnerabilty. It's the spell that was specifically pointed out as a favored option in Wizard Supremacist's perks list. It's also useful for getting Drew through this floor without his armor blocking a hit. It's better than Cockroach, and Taylor can use it on anyone. Immunity to all damage for even a short time is very, very good for survivability.

Btw, I'm going to also throw my support behind Slip and Smack, since Grease, even if it's not flammable, works pretty well with our team. Moose can fly, Calli can zoom along the ceiling, (won't work, Grease hits the ceiling too) someone can ride Moose, and Taylor can teleport.
 
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Slip and Smack is good, although going Shopping/Casinos with 500k will be missed.

[X] Class: Boring Ol' Fighter

Additional considerations:

- If Moose is actually dumb, rather than playing it up deliberately for his own amusement (which I consider extremely likely), then a simple killing-things class might be better than one that relies on advanced tactics he might not understand

- If all goes well, Team Trick Shot will soon become famous enough that other crawlers know their classes, in which case every crawler with a skull will be seeing a "this guy has significant incentive to murder you" sign over a Bounty Hunter Moose's head
If we wbecome famous they will also know our stance on PvP, which means they'd know they are safe unless they fuck with us or try to do something atrocious while we are present.

Plus: in later floors a Moose with the badges for everyone that tried to kill us, FCA'd boring old Fighter ( and whatever utility we can get on him) multi-Moose (who can fly) sounds like a freaking Nightmare for hostiles.
 
Slip and Smack is good, although going Shopping/Casinos with 500k will be missed.
Once we get any seed money and FCA Gambler, that's when the money flows in. Fortuna's Favored Child isn't high enough level yet to go gamble with it, so when it is high enough, I expect we'll have found enough secret treasures for gambling.

Incidentally, as we found with the potion options, and the spellbooks and the Dungeon Book Club membership, we may get items with our emulated classes. If Drew takes Battlin' Baker next level, we could get a free private area! Also, pretty much all of BB's benefits are items and unlocks, so we should get to keep them. Marry that with the ability to send beneficial cupcakes to anyone in our contacts... Pretty nice.
 
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@eaglejarl Could we get a rundown on what Aralez does?
Yes, and Leo's race. Will put it up shortly.


Also edit: we should hopefully reach one quadrillion viewers on this floor, because why the F not.

As an aside, the reason that I had Taylor go last in class selection was to maximize the chances that someone would have picked Manager so that Levi could provide some information about the Diva class, among others. My intent was that each Concert ticket would have netted you 1 gold, plus Concert would have provided the ability to schmooze (briefly) with people outside the dungeon who could provide information about the floor. Sysyop has some broken abilities and I understand completely why you took it, but I do regret not having the Concert stuff as an option.

The roof is only around 25ft up on this floor, it was a thing in DCC

A little farther, since there's space for skyfowl to fly, but yes. Relatively low ceiling.



Calli's BOF and Moose's BOF descriptions seem different from one another. No option to level Unarmed Combat, no weapon specializations. Is that on purpose, @eaglejarl?

@beowolf is correct:

I'm not him, but I'm just going to point out that it replaced every Skill that added percentages of the base damage of many different weapon types with one skill that multiplies the damage of unarmed combat, the description of which calls out that "on account of [you have] no thumbs."

It also replaced "hit annoying man with club" with "bite annoying man in half with teeth" in the introductory flavor text. Yeah, it's probably on purpose.



even Banna Farmer isn't bad

THANK YOU! *grumble* You work so hard, coming up with unusual classes with a bit of flavor and what do they say? "It's dumb", they say. "Being able to bite steel bars in half is better", they say. "Eew, who wants stupid bananas?" they say. "Maybe it's cool but we have no way of knowing what we'll get and therefore it's a giant crapshoot whereas this other class is great", they say. *grumble, sniff, grumble*
 
If we wbecome famous they will also know our stance on PvP, which means they'd know they are safe unless they fuck with us or try to do something atrocious while we are present.
I would not count on that. The show runners are in no way above creative editing to make us seem like a bunch of psychos.
 
It is a shame Moose didn't choose primal dog as his race.
...Are you specifically talking about Boring Ol' Fighter here? Or do you mean in general?

Because if you're saying that because you want him to master Powerful Strike and Murderous Attack to 20... It lets him do that. The only Skill it gives him that it doesn't unlock mastery for is Acrobatics.
 
As an aside, the reason that I had Taylor go last in class selection was to maximize the chances that someone would have picked Manager so that Levi could provide some information about the Diva class, among others. My intent was that each Concert ticket would have netted you 1 gold, plus Concert would have provided the ability to schmooze (briefly) with people outside the dungeon who could provide information about the floor. Sysyop has some broken abilities and I understand completely why you took it, but I do regret not having the Concert stuff as an option.
Yeah, the talk shows are a fantastic part of canon and getting more of that stuff seems good.
We can't rely on the kind of political bullshit that Carl gets involved in (and sometimes benefits from when he plays his cards right) - but Donut's fan club doing crowdfunding and even weird political pressure in democracies shows that the Concert bonus could have been amazing.
Assuming Taylor can actually sing, of course. Can he?

THANK YOU! *grumble* You work so hard, coming up with unusual classes with a bit of flavor and what do they say? "It's dumb", they say. "Being able to bite steel bars in half is better", they say. "Eew, who wants stupid bananas?" they say. "Maybe it's cool but we have no way of knowing what we'll get and therefore it's a giant crapshoot whereas this other class is great", they say. *grumble, sniff, grumble*
The banana farmer we see in canon clearly suffered from Int and Wis penalties, I'll never choose that class!
:p
 
THANK YOU! *grumble* You work so hard, coming up with unusual classes with a bit of flavor and what do they say? "It's dumb", they say. "Being able to bite steel bars in half is better", they say. "Eew, who wants stupid bananas?" they say. "Maybe it's cool but we have no way of knowing what we'll get and therefore it's a giant crapshoot whereas this other class is great", they say. *grumble, sniff, grumble*
Honestly I really wondered about that. It's clear that all the options are good. You clearly spent a very large amount of time making everything. Did you do it all yourself? Seems like a lot of effort when in the end we can only make one choice. It's like no matter what we pick we all feel disappointed to miss all the amazing possibilities of the things not picked.

But when it comes right down to it the flying brick is a classic for a reason.
 
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I would not count on that. The show runners are in no way above creative editing to make us seem like a bunch of psychos.
Look what happened to Carl in canon, with his growing reputation as a psycho insane mad bomber. Circumstances may also conspire against us--there are plenty of ways we could be forced into PvP early enough that our protestations of pacifism later on may fall on deaf ears. We already have one rival team which is one sensible leader's death away from potentially attacking us. Finally, many crawlers with skulls may have got that way by being the kind of people who expect others to strike first, and simply wouldn't understand or trust claims of a preference for pacifism.
 
Honestly I really wondered about that. It's clear that all the options are good. You clearly spent a very large amount of time making everything. Did you do it all yourself? Seems like a lot of effort when in the end we can only make one choice. It's like no matter what we pick we all feel disappointed to miss all the amazing possibilities of the things not picked.

But when it comes right down to it the flying brick is a classic for a reason.
A bunch of the options are from canon. Some of the other options are from the Dungeon Crawler Carl Discord. Some seem to be from Dungeon Crawler Darryl (a fanfic), unless DCD also stole them from somewhere. IDK where the rest are from, presumably eaglejarl made them himself.
 
Look what happened to Carl in canon, with his growing reputation as a psycho insane mad bomber. Circumstances may also conspire against us--there are plenty of ways we could be forced into PvP early enough that our protestations of pacifism later on may fall on deaf ears. We already have one rival team which is one sensible leader's death away from potentially attacking us. Finally, many crawlers with skulls may have got that way by being the kind of people who expect others to strike first, and simply wouldn't understand or trust claims of a preference for pacifism.
If the confederacy hears that Moose took the bounty Hunter class they are just going to assume that we mean to kill them. And they would likely be right.
 
Assuming Taylor can actually sing, of course. Can he?
I'm pretty sure it's just called that, because the actual qualification for the class is "reached level 10 in their performance skill from before the Dungeon".

For Taylor, that's YoYo. He'd actually get a show where he can do live performances with his YoYo tricks.

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If the confederacy hears that Moose took the bounty Hunter class they are just going to assume that we mean to kill them. And they would likely be right.

...What, the gang run by Luke? Because I spent a good thirty seconds wondering who you meant by this. Also, about them 'likely being right'... I, at least, am only interested in going after outliers, people who have a dozen individual skulls or thirty in a party already. By the end of the single digit floors it would be take something like 100 skulls for me to want to hunt someone down, because things are simply set up such that Crawlers attacking each other is going to happen out of sheer desperation, even as we try to screw over Borant's system. Luke's a fucking racist asshole, but he seems to recognize what is genuinely in his own interest, so they shouldn't enter that category.

No, I want Angelic Approval because we're going to meet it's trigger conditions out of self defense anyway. I'm not sure I'd take the class without it, but I know I wouldn't take it if it didn't also have so much utility from Club Access and Pathfinder.
 
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@eaglejarl
  • Is Grease flammable?
  • Are there items BOF Moose could use that would scale with Intelligence?
  • Not a question, but we should try to say out loud something along the lines of how much the audience would like the suspense of how high we can get our boxes. (Audiences love risks to the showrunners, and we'd better make it so we're entertaining, suspenseful enough to be worth the risk of having to fork over a Celestial eventually.)
Not gonna ask if Invulnerabilty is as completely nuts as I think it is, because that's just obvious. It's the option you slam when the boss triggers its ultimate move. It's what you cast when you're standing on a nuke. It's heavily limited by duration and by the fact that you can only cast it on yourself, and we have a class explicitly good for getting around one of those.
 
[X] Class: Boring Ol' Fighter

Additional considerations:

- If Moose is actually dumb, rather than playing it up deliberately for his own amusement (which I consider extremely likely), then a simple killing-things class might be better than one that relies on advanced tactics he might not understand

- If all goes well, Team Trick Shot will soon become famous enough that other crawlers know their classes, in which case every crawler with a skull will be seeing a "this guy has significant incentive to murder you" sign over a Bounty Hunter Moose's head
One of my concerns about BoF is that it will make things too easy. Which, yes, sounds a little silly, but we need there to be some challenge for us, both to get XP, and to get followers and loot boxes.

WHereas something like Dog the Bounty Hunter makes big moments for us -- fights with skull-having folks, rezzing party members, etc that is both entertaining for the in-universe audience, and likely to lead to big prizes.
 
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