OFC, but we need boxes to turn into celestials when that happens anyways.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Moose probably needs 1 more point. It's lucky for us that Moose is leveling faster than the rest of us.
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I see what you mean. Right now in the early levels of the skill we don't benefit much from saving things up, but the higher our max skill level the more and more boxes we'll want to have on Calliope all at once. From that angle, Moose is a box bank, able to hold a Celestial's worth of boxes until we have enough to send them to Calliope for the big rollup.
Though that said, it's just as easy to move boxes onto Moose as it is to move boxes off of Moose, and the sooner we get Wheeler Dealer up to level 2 or 3 the sooner we can start getting Golds and Platinums out of it. Unless 6-hour windows where we don't need SysOp are vanishingly rare (we still need sleep, right?) we'll have ample opportunity to fill or empty box banks as we please.
Picture it like this: we have two routes we can take for an individual Bronze box. Either we keep it in the box bank until we're ready for a celestial, or we open it now and find another one later. Neither option changes the total number of boxes we need to acquire, because keeping the Bronze in the box bank means we need to find one more Bronze for the level grinding, but rolling it up now gives us the benefits of the early level grind now instead of later.
If we're talking sentimental value, letting Moose keep his hard-earned boxes until he has the intelligence to make an informed decision on what he wants to do with them, then that's a fine stance to have. But if we're talking optimality, there's simply no benefit in leaving the boxes in a box bank.
(side-note, but when we do use Wheeler Dealer we should try to use SysOp to make sure that Calliope has exactly enough for the highest-rated box she can roll up to. If she can roll up to 2 Platinums but then has one Bronze leftover, that Bronze is wasted compared to its potential value as part of the next Platinum, so we should have it moved over to one of the box banks. Or rather, when Taylor sends all his boxes over to Calliope, he could hold that Bronze back so Calliope lands at exactly the right amount for some integer number of Platinum boxes with no remainder. That sort of thing)
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We won't be turning bronzes into Celestials, anyway. At best we'll be turning Gold and Legendary into Celestials once the skill is leveled up.
Note that turning bronze into Silver is already quite good on layer 3. We should be doing that now, because silver items are still very relevant while bronze items start to become so irrelevant that the canon narration often didn't bother noting their contents anymore.
Note that turning bronze into Silver is already quite good on layer 3. We should be doing that now, because silver items are still very relevant while bronze items start to become so irrelevant that the canon narration often didn't bother noting their contents anymore.
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I support this concept above and beyond - and will followup with having it as an IC question... that Taylor quickly doesn't voice on account of not even wanting the AI or anyone else to have heard. Don't give them time to patch a loophole that may or may not exist, before we have an opportunity to use it.
Well Moose doesn't have plot armor. He's a frontliner too. I can see him tanking a fatal blow for Taylor. In that timeline he'd never get to use those boxes in the first place..
This is a simulationist death dungeon. We should strive for all the munchkin we can to keep everyone alive. Races like Doppelganger take a while to figure out and the rest of the classes and races too, to get used to two body coordination and stuff. All it would take is a bad roll to give the protagonists major consequence or TPK.
Take the boxes and see how far we can stretch our Sysop powers.
This is a simulationist death dungeon. We should strive for all the munchkin we can to keep everyone alive. Races like Doppelganger take a while to figure out and the rest of the classes and races too, to get used to two body coordination and stuff. All it would take is a bad roll to give the protagonists major consequence or TPK.
Take the boxes and see how far we can stretch our Sysop powers.
Sysop only allows transferring all of someone's boxes at once. We should try and avoid big losses of value, such as only rolling up to 3 gold when Calliope can make 4 gold into a platinum, but there will usually be small inefficiencies.
Apart from this small rule detail, I fully agree with your post.
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Six votes for Local-Access TV Psychic so far.
I'm fine with Catkin winning if there are stuff like Schrödinger's cat or nine lives in play. Doppelganger has ridiculous munchkin potential though.. I'd love to see it explored again to its full potential after Dungeon Crawler Katya ended.
Also if Doppelganger wins I'm precommiting on cat ears.
[X] (Moose Box) Take Moose's boxes for Calliope
I'm fine with Catkin winning if there are stuff like Schrödinger's cat or nine lives in play. Doppelganger has ridiculous munchkin potential though.. I'd love to see it explored again to its full potential after Dungeon Crawler Katya ended.
Also if Doppelganger wins I'm precommiting on cat ears.
[X] (Moose Box) Take Moose's boxes for Calliope
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Oh I somehow read over this and missed the part about transforming during the 6h CD. And about getting Taylor's share on both bodies. I like this plan, it is very efficient.
Moreover, previous posts have convinced me that waiting for levels in Rollup is not worth it compared with opening everything now and getting Rollup XP to upgrade newly looted boxes. Sure, waiting would probably yield slightly more gold/platinum in total, but not enough to justify the delay in getting loot that helps us survive and tackle harder content for better rewards.
[X] (Moose Box) Take Moose's boxes for Calliope
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Well, Doppleganger is still winning by one vote right now, and there haven't been any changes in those two plans' vote counts since I went to sleep, so it has a good chance of keeping that lead.
Edit: ironically, in the time I took to write this, two more votes for Catkin came in. The first new votes for a plan in several hours.
Ironically, I'm actually changing my vote because of one of the QM's posts right before I went to sleep.
Apparently, the one trigger per Skill Level applies to all boxes of a single category, instead of giving a single enhanced box. If we wait for Rollup 2 as many Bronzes as possible (ie: all of them if an even number, or all but one if odd) will be rolled into Silvers and then those new Silvers will be counted towards rolling as many Silvers as possible into Gold's on the Second trigger. Given that, I'm now sure it's going to level very slowly, and I doubt we can afford to wait for 5 so it can reach Celestial with our lack of other direct combat options; and Moose may still be short of the 2048 Bronze equivalents needed to get one anyway.
But I now want to leave Moose his boxes until Rollup hits at least Level 3 if at all possible.
[ ] (Moose Box) Do not take Moose's boxes
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TBH I just want to try to get annihilation bolt ASAP, but I realize leveling it will be hard.
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- Oregon
[X] (Moose Box) Do not take Moose's boxes
Gonna save this until the skill Rollup is higher.
Gonna save this until the skill Rollup is higher.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I think that Moose might actually have too many boxes to effectively give to Calliope yet. Lots of Moose's boxes are going to be gold and silver. And loot boxes all have to all be opened at the same time. Maybe we should wait for Roll up to get to at least level 3 first before we give it the mother load?
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Minimum intelligence to be considered sapient is 2, as per Levi:
Yes, yes, #NotAllCats
Yup. It was an editing error which got fixed relatively quickly after the abilities were posted, but apparently not quickly enough. Sorry about that.
Unfortunately, you cannot hold back boxes. When you activate this power, all of the sending crawler's unopened boxes are transferred to the recipient.
He's a dog. Dogs actually like people and want to work with them, meaning that they look smart because they will do what you ask of them unless they have a good reason to refuse. Cats couldn't care less about what you want, which makes them look like they are too dumb to understand you.
Yes, yes, #NotAllCats
Reassuring news: Not simulationist. For those who aren't aware, I co-author another quest, Marked for Death, which is a hardcore simulationist quest with lots of crunch. DCY is my palette cleanser; it's narrativist, I get to use Rule of Cool and Rule of Funny whenever I please, and I never have to be bound by mechanics because there aren't any! I've rolled dice only once in 190,000 words. (Wow, this is already 190k words? How did that happen?!)
Technically not ended. I'd like to go back to DCK at some point. Not sure when it will be, though.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I wish there was a way to see what boxes Moose has before transfering them. If he has tones of sliver and gold they are going to be mostly wasted because roll up can't work on them yet.
Moose isn't the only source of boxes, we'll win more along the line. The question here is do we want the immediate power up in this floor?
We're not the only ones with cool races and classes. Same holds true for everyone else. We need the edge to stay ahead guys..
We're not the only ones with cool races and classes. Same holds true for everyone else. We need the edge to stay ahead guys..
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[X] Plan Catkin Leo
[X] (Moose Box) Do not take Moose's boxes
[X] (Moose Box) Do not take Moose's boxes
Leaving him his boxes is currently winning. For exactly this reason.
...Well, 50/50 this reason and sentimentality from people who actually want to wait until he's sapient, but it's this practical reason that gives it the lead.
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Fairly unfamiliar with the original story, though I'm about 200 pages into the first book now. But when Moose reaches Sapience, ie 2 Intelligence, does he move from Pet to Crawler status? And if so, does he get a retroactive class + race option? Minding I'd never change his race in a million years.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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It's more that we likely want to power level Roll Up a little first. Level 3 seems high enough that opening all of Mousse's boxes is good value. As it is right now most/a significant minority of them seem unlikely to even help the skill level.
Right now we want to give Calliope all the cooper loot boxes that we can beg, borrow or steal. We don't even need to keep the results. Just want to grind the skill.