Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Maybe we should just directly address whatever being is possessing Lydia? It's not necessarily a hostile force, after all, and acting under the assumption that it is could cause further complications and misunderstandings.

[X] Greet the spirit possessing Lydia and ask what it's intentions are in regards to our friend.
 
Maybe we should just directly address whatever being is possessing Lydia? It's not necessarily a hostile force, after all, and acting under the assumption that it is could cause further complications and misunderstandings.

[X] Greet the spirit possessing Lydia and ask what it's intentions are in regards to our friend.
There is no such thing as a nonhostile possessing spirit that prevents its host from speaking.
We should know; we have Usum on our shoulder, and the demon doesnt attempt to control us.
 
There is no such thing as a nonhostile possessing spirit that prevents its host from speaking.
We should know; we have Usum on our shoulder, and the demon doesnt attempt to control us.
They might if their host was about to fuck up majorly.

However I am willing to take DP at his "roll for initiative" suggestion.
 
We have Athletics 1 dude.
And she literally has control of the earth; we saw her doing a Static Shock type move.
I would not want to rely on stunting shit.

She lives with a psychopomp. Her father. Its not going to scare her when we didnt.
Only if said psychopomp was makingbthreats against her.

Because she summoned it and presumably was deceived into doing so.Maybe she fucked up the summoning. Maybe she was given a deliberately fucked up summoning. Maybe it got hold of her Name, or part of it. Maybe it was a ghost with specific experience against changelings.

Her father kept warding their home with herbs; presumably he knew she was vulnerable in some way.

Kravos Nightmare literally ate Dresden's magic for most of Grave Peril, amd Dresden was an actually trained White Council wizard faving off against the ghost of a sorcerer who was weaker and less knowledgeable than him
A sixteen year old scion is meat for an experienced actor.

Just because she lives with one death god doesn't mean she doesn't recognise how bad it is when a strange death god randomly shows up. Very likely the opposite. She knows they're real and what they do.

Also, she's not a Changeling. She's the Scion of a god. The elemental just made that clear. Arawn may work for Mab, but that doesn't mean that he's a fey, anymore than the fact that Kringle/Odin does makes him one.

Also, Kravos was a wielder of mortal magic, the same as Dresden. It's the same power source he already knew how to use. Various other forms of magic are different to the energy of life mortal wizards and minor talents who aren't necromancers use:
 
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There is no such thing as a nonhostile possessing spirit that prevents its host from speaking.
We should know; we have Usum on our shoulder, and the demon doesnt attempt to control us.
We don't know that for sure, not when we don't know what Lydia summoned or what she agreed to for its service. For all we know, by preventing her from saying more the spirit could have prevented Lydia from inadvertently breaking a pact.

I'm normally pretty gung go about treating dangerous or unknown stuff with a heavy hand, but I get the feeling that might be the wrong way to approach this situation.
 
Hmm, can we use the Crown on the possessing entity quickly enough for it to inform our decision?
 
Our sword can cut immaterial beings (if I recall correctly). Can it cut the portal to disable it? If yes, flare our anima until it covers the portal, and throw the sword at it. @DragonParadox can our sword cut the portal itself?
 
They might if their host was about to fuck up majorly.
However I am willing to take DP at his "roll for initiative" suggestion.
If you attempt to hide your presence, and actively force your host to lie to people she knows?
You're hostile.
Benign spirits dont do that; we had a whole novel about spirit ethics in Ghost Story.
Just because she lives with one death god doesn't mean she doesn't recognise how bad it is when a strange death god randomly shows up. Very likely the opposite. She knows they're real and what they do.

Also, she's not a Changeling. She's the Scion of a god. The elemental just made that clear. Arawn may work for Mab, but that doesn't mean that he's a fey, anymore than the fact that Kringle/Odin does makes him one.

Also, Kravos was a wielder of mortal magic, the same as Dresden. It's the same power source he already knew how to use.
1)Death gods have no business with the living. If she knows death gods, she knows this. If she doesnt, she would have no reason to fear Gard specifically over Molly, the girl with green fire anima banners and All The Eyes.

2)Eldest Ankou is of Winter, sworn to Mab. She's both the daughter of a death god and a Changeling.
We explicitly noted this when we met her.

3)This is the Dresdenverse; Power is Power is Power. Dresden didnt go to school to learn how to use Hellfire, or Soulfire, or the Winter Knight Mantle. The Capriocorpus didnt need a whole song and dance to go from using human magic to using ghost magic, or from using ghost magic to possessing an ectomancer. Molly didnt need a university course on becoming Winter Lady. Neither did Lily.

The Kemmlerites did not expect to need an instruction manual if their Ascension ritual had worked and made one of them a god.
 
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If you attempt to hide your presence, and actively force your host to lie to people she knows?
Molly be scary as fuck at the moment. Also supernaturally armed to the teeth and reeking of hell.

She knows us a bit. Like we know her a bit. But her upbringing likely hasn't engendered trust in people.
 
1)Death gods have no business with the living. If she knows death gods, she knows this. If she doesnt, she would have no reason to fear Gard specifically over Molly, the girl with green fire anima banners and All The Eyes.

2)Eldest Ankou is of Winter, sworn to Mab. She's both the daughter of a death god and a Changeling.
We explicitly noted this when we met her.

3)This is the Dresdenverse; Power is Power is Power. Dresden didnt go to school to learn how to use Hellfire, or Soulfire, or the Winter Knight Mantle. The Capriocorpus didnt need a whole song and dance to go from using human magic to using ghost magic. Molly didnt need a university course on becoming Winter Lady. Neither did Lily.

The Kemmlerites did not expect to need an instruction manual if their Ascension ritual had worked and made one of them a god.

1) the whole point I was making is that if a Chooser of the Slain shows up that's a strong sign you might shortly be one of the slain, even if they're not the one doing the slaying.

2) Molly didn't use the Crown on her, so all she has is suppositions based on knowledge pre-dating the existence of both fey and Changelings.

3) Completely wrong. Kumori makes the very explicit point that necromancy uses a different energy to regular mortal magic, and so it has different effects on its users. Similarly, the reason other supernaturals can break the Laws of Magic without it backfiring and twisting them is that the energy source they use is different, and doesn't rebel like the life based magic of mortal magic when used to do things antithetical to it.

Whatever the Dark Hallow would have made the ascending Kemmlerite would have had the power of a god, I don't think we were told it would make them divine, or into an actual god. Presumably they'd still be running off necromantic/death energy given they'd be empowered by eating a bunch of ghosts.

Mab says 'The heir would gain power such as has not been wielded by mortal hands in the memory of your race.'
Dresden replies 'The Darkhallow. That's what it is. A ritual, tomorrow night. Halloween. They all want to be the one to make themselves into a junior-league god.'

But at this point Dresden doesn't really know what a food is. He's using imprecise language, using god to describe power level. Note that it explicitly would put the power into mortal hands, not immortal ones, like those of a god.

Note Mab, the Erlking etc aren't gods. The gods, according to a WoJ, existed before time did, and the likes of Mab are immortal bearers of mantles but they're ascended mortals who can into existence after time began.
 
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Molly be scary as fuck at the moment. Also supernaturally armed to the teeth and reeking of hell.

She knows us a bit. Like we know her a bit. But her upbringing likely hasn't engendered trust in people.
Sure, but she didnt blanch when she looked at Molly. Or even Michael. She blanched when she looked at Gard.
Molly does not have a reputation or history yet.
Valkyries do.

And the fact it recognized Gard but not the dude who has been Amoracchius bearer for over two decades makes it an old spirit which is not up to date on the last quarter century. Ergo old Norse ghost.
A member of the Sidhe Courts would recognize Michael.
 
1) the whole point I was making is that if a Chooser of the Slain shows up that's a strong sign you might shortly be one of the slain, even if they're not the one doing the slaying.

2) Molly didn't use the Crown on her, so all she has is suppositions based on knowledge pre-dating the existence of both fey and Changelings.

3) Completely wrong. Kumori makes the very explicit point that necromancy uses a different energy to regular mortal magic, and so it has different effects on its users. Similarly, the reason other supernaturals can break the Laws of Magic without it backfiring and twisting them is that the energy source they use is different, and doesn't rebel like the life based magic of mortal magic when used to do things antithetical to it.

Whatever the Dark Hallow would have made the ascending Kemmlerite would have had the power of a god, I don't think we were told it would make them divine, or into an actual god. Presumably they'd still be running off necromantic/death energy given they'd be empowered by eating a bunch of ghosts.
No its not.
If she knows death gods, she knows the Valks are retired, and she wouldnt be worried about it.
If she doesnt know death gods, she has no reason to recognize or be scared of Gard in particular.

Molly is Occult 5, and the Ankou history was related to her by Bob, spirit of knowledge.
That conclusion is the closest thing to solid gold.

Kumori states the energy is different, not that the ways of wielding it are.
Harry had very little trouble raising Sue from the dead, despite no previous experience with necromancy and no schooling beyond skimming the Word of Kemmler.
It is entirely possible that the Ascension Ritual is the manual, at least if the powers of a god work more like the charms of an Exalt then like mortal magic.
Perhaps.Or perhaps not.

I mean, Dresden raised Sue without all that much trouble.
The Sidhe Court Knight Mantles dont require that Winter or Summer Knights who are wizards learn a whole new method of wielding magic; its just a gruntier power source. And we see Thomas cast magic in Backup, running off his Hunger.

I mean, High Lady of the Sidhe Lea was able to train Molly in magic.
And Odin allegedly trained the first Merlin.
Neither feat would be possible if they couldnt wield magic like humans.
 
No its not.
If she knows death gods, she knows the Valks are retired, and she wouldnt be worried about it.
If she doesnt know death gods, she has no reason to recognize or be scared of Gard in particular.

Molly is Occult 5, and the Ankou history was related to her by Bob, spirit of knowledge.
That conclusion is the closest thing to solid gold.

Kumori states the energy is different, not that the ways of wielding it are.
Harry had very little trouble raising Sue from the dead, despite no previous experience with necromancy and no schooling beyond skimming the Word of Kemmler.

Perhaps.Or perhaps not.

I mean, Dresden raised Sue without all that much trouble.
The Sidhe Court Knight Mantles dont require that Winter or Summer Knights who are wizards learn a whole new method of wielding magic; its just a gruntier power source. And we see Thomas cast magic in Backup, running off his Hunger.

I mean, High Lady of the Sidhe Lea was able to train Molly in magic.
And Odin allegedly trained the first Merlin.
Neither feat would be possible if they couldnt wield magic like humans.

Harry had to learn to use the energy of the Winter Knight mantle. He had a long period of being taught in Winter.

Also, note that Gard isn't a death god. She's an ascended mortal that was born and became immortal after time began. The genuine gods, like Odin, even though they've lost much power since then, existed before time itself according to WoJ.

And just because the native power sources of fey and gods is different to the power of life used by human wizards doesn't mean they don't also know how to use it, or have the academic knowledge of the principles required to teach it. Bob can't/does not cast regular mortal magic, but he can teach it to Dresden very well:

And Dresden was given accelerated instruction by Lash who taught him how to use necromancy, I believe, when he raised Sue.

And Bob told Molly that the Ankou were working for Mab/Winter. I don't think he said they'd been transformed into fey and stoped being gods.
 
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Perhaps.Or perhaps not.

I mean, Dresden raised Sue without all that much trouble.
The Sidhe Court Knight Mantles dont require that Winter or Summer Knights who are wizards learn a whole new method of wielding magic; its just a gruntier power source. And we see Thomas cast magic in Backup, running off his Hunger.

I mean, High Lady of the Sidhe Lea was able to train Molly in magic.
And Odin allegedly trained the first Merlin.
Neither feat would be possible if they couldnt wield magic like humans.

One does not presuppose the other. Just because gods can use magic like humans does not mean that mortals can normally wield power like gods. After all Molly can use sorcery paths, that does not mean minor talents can use charms. It could well be that someone who is just handed the power of a scion with no experience would be far less adept at it than the scion.
 
but then she looks at Gard and worry suddenly turns to something much deeper, her pale cheeks turning white as snow.
Perhaps she has seen Katrin and recognizes Gard as the same being?

She is new to the supernatural world, she might believe they are allied...

Still, spirits that possess someone are generally bad news.

[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent
 
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent
 
Was just rereading Splintered Gale Incarnation, and it looks like something that, while useful, wouldn't be anything Molly would want.

Specifically the fact that, if she dies, and uses it as a means of self-resurrection, it destroys the 'identity' of the clone.
Molly wouldn't want to create a being just to use it as a backup life that she sacrifices to not die.

Plus, while they give access to extra hands, and allow her to be in more than one place, they are mortal, and have explicitly no magic of any sort.

Now, if they were more... extensions, with no identity, with access to our charms, I'd be more inclined to purchase it.
As is, I'd definitely vote against it.
 
Does Mikelle have more dots in athletics then us? Because the problem seems more to be reaching her before she get away.
 
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