Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Goldfish beat me to it, but seriously, we do not have the dots to make it.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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In terms of a cindy why not bypass the guards and just take her directly. With TTC we could make a tunneling machine and move at a speed of around a mile a day.
I was thinking of building an underground room for training later as well.
I was thinking of building an underground room for training later as well.
Basically, this, but beefier. The only tricky part is making a more powerful voltage booster, but that's also doable. Other than that, car battery and a more powerful coil, which should be easy to make.
Indeed. I want to call them, actually. They could use a good catch to boost their political standing.
It's actually quite scary how easy it is to make EMP.
We do.
Its not all that difficult in the modern world , and Clippy can retrieve recipes and designs off the Internet.
Then you either walk into a car parts store or an electronics store and buy a couple things off the shelf.
Or go to a recycling center and rip the components out of old electronics.
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We dont need it to be small; as long as it fits in a backpack or shopping bag we're good.
[X] Move in to save Cindy at once
How do we sell to Molly's father that we knew that Lydia and quite possibly Daniel were in immediate and mortal danger and did nothing whatsoever to even warn them, let alone avert it, if it ends up with one or both of them getting kidnapped or killed?
And Michael knows that attacking a fortified location could also well get Cindy killed. If we recruit the Eldest Ankou he may well have access to forces that would allow us to storm the tattoo parlour and its dungeons much faster.
- Location
- Germany
And we don't know that.
You keep acting like your version of what is currently happening is a confirmed fact.
If I'm wrong, we lose almost nothing by passing on a warning. If I'm right, it could be catastrophic.
And it seems exceptionally unlikely that Lydia isn't the Eldest Ankou's daughter, given the hints we've had, and likely a key part of making the Black Feast work on him as well.
Teleports in the range of double digit yards is enough to clear the immediate engagement zone.
At which point they are gone; you arent closing a 20 yard plus gap.
And note that those were combat time teleports, as opposed to a preset spell cast at leisure.
COMMENTARY
-Good chance there was a little quiet conversation between Gard and Michael when Molly went out to take that look.
I would certainly ask to be sure the new kid can handle this.
-Svefnthorn = sleepthorn in Old Norse. Sleep spell. So Cindy is in an ensorcelled sleep.
-Thralls, ghouls and possibly at least one ghost/spectre thing.
Three layers of defenses, but most of the defenses are physical. And since Gard recognized the ward, there is a good chance that it was Kattrin, or someone she personally trained, who put it up.
She might not have brought all that much magical backup. Might.
-Going to note that we know Gorfels was recruiting minions in the area.
These thralls are undoubtedly some of them; Kattrin has not had the time to do any personal recruiting or setting up safehouses.
Means a nonzero chance these are lycanthropes with spirits of rage.
Same with the ghouls; someone else had to have set that up.
-A FBI group that has infiltrators at (some of) the levers of power is likely to react unpredictably, and with a child's life on the line, and said child being related to one of the key actors here, it just seems like an unnecessary risk.
The more so if you are intending to use FBI activity to lure out Kattrin; now you have a magical firefight with a ton of armed FBI agents as a backdrop, and one of your allies is a known associate of the local organized crime boss.
And Kattrin, or a minion, might be able to cast that madness/frenzy spell that Gorfels used at the sidewalk heist.
Significant risk stuff goes wrong and the FBI shoot at us, or each other, or civies.
The potential for a bloodbath is way too high.
Keep them away.
-Besides, frankly, the FBI has no jurisdiction here. Local crimes only.
Firearms offenses are a state offense, or ATF. Kidnapping would only be relevant if there was a ransom claim.
Tips are the sort of thing that go to local police, not the Feds.
Chicago firearms violations at a minimum.
Especially if there are assault rifles in there as well as handguns. And I doubt any of these people have a FOID card.
Probably more.
Call SI with a tip about a heavily armed group within city limits and they have legal justification to roll in hot.
We rolled a net zero on identifying the ward. Good thing Gard was there.
That was INT+Occult. 1s don't count so you did yet two successes.
VOTE
[X] Move in to save Cindy at once
REASONS
You guys made this decision last turn when you chose to look for Cindy.
I warned everyone that if we pull this trigger, we are starting a timer.
We get one look with Crown of Eyes. We cant just look at where Cindy is and ignore it; the greater the delay between divining her location and actually acting, the more the chance that conditions change. More guards show up, Kattrin hears Dresden is getting out and decides to change the situation or upgrade the defences or move the child, etc.
So we're committed.
Go in, get out, call Special Investigations on the raft of firearms violations and other crimes, put the child in police protection somewhere nice and secure.
Its roughly 1PM on a Saturday afternoon. Go.
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[X] Move in to save Cindy at once
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Yeah, Im inclined to agree.
If we have to involve Law Enforcement, I'd probably call Special Investigations instead of the FBI; they have better institutional knowledge, and both Michael and Dresden used to ride along on raids.
Murphy at least understands the value of speed when dealing with the supernatural, and her guys are sufficiently clued in after the events of the loup-garou tearing a hole through their police station that they should not make dumb mistakes and get killed.
Plus, after Splattercon they could probably use a win or two.
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Literal DIY videos on Youtube and tutorials on the web.
Beyond these instructions not likely being available on the internet in 2006, there is a serious matter of scale here. Yes, you can slap together a sad Macguyver'd version of an EMP, but it's small, of limited effectiveness, and has a tiny range. If the instructions scale up well enough for larger, more powerful devices, they might still be useful, but it's not something we would be making out of things you can find in you junk drawer. The Even with the Tool charm dramatically speeding up construction, it would still take a lot of time to make something large enough to reliably do what we need done.
I know Gard isn't affected by techbane like normal mortal practitioners, but I wonder if she can't force the issue anyway? Harry has demonstrated his ability to basically just blast raw magical static at technological items before to deliberately fuck them up. A sufficiently skilled and powerful sorceress could probably do the same thing with some effort.
Alratan.
I distinctly remember spending time here telling people that a five minute phone call to Lydia and her father would take LESS time IC than just the planning phase of looking for Cindy, let alone trying to get her out of imprisonment.
It still got 4 votes as opposed to 14 for looking for Cindy.
Notably, it didnt get your vote either.
And now we're committed to using the information we spent Essence and a voting option on before it expires.
Calling Lydia only becomes a logical option once that situation is resolved, in the same way you dont interrupt an ongoing surgical operation in order to go run a blood test.
Nobody participating here can say that the point wasnt raised with ample time to spare, or can complain if people die or suffer harm in the interim. That was a decision we all made collectively by our votes or lack of votes.
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I am reasonably sure they were on the Internet; videos might not have been on Youtube, but detailed recipes and discussions of this sort of thing have been floating around since the 1980s on Usenet groups and technical forums, the way pipe bomb recipes used to. And yes, you can build something that will disable consumer electronics out of regular day devices.
At worst, Molly can burn a Crown of Eyes on the question.
You are building something with a radius of maybe 30 feet. Single use.
Use a car battery or some ex-laptop batteries instead of small AA batteries. Put it in a bag.
Drop it at the front door, set it off and the AoE encompasses the entire store. Then breach.
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If we want to make an actually functional EMP I think we need to break into the nearest step down transformer on the local grid and jury rig that. It's hard though.
If we want to block mobile phone systems by far the easiest way is to put a cyber demon inside the closest mobile phone mast (which we can easily do as they're very visible), and get it to transmit noise across the mobile phone frequency range. If we want to block a landline then, once again, we put a cyber demon inside the local serving area interface. They're usually visible by the side of streets or accessible down manholes which would usually be marked.
Modern step down transformers usually contain microelectronics, so if we want to cut the power to the shop we put a demon inside the nearest one of those for the local sub-grid as well.
No emps needed. We're out of luck if they have a satellite phone, but them's the breaks.
It wasn't worth voting given the massive imbalance of votes. I argued in favour of doing so, but there were basically no takers, and I was out nearly all day.
We can still take the five minutes to ring Lydia right now. It doesn't cost us anything, we'll be sitting in Chicago traffic to get wherever we're going for much longer than that. Calling Lydia remains the most urgent and important thing we should be doing right until we're in active combat, or we see that she's already dead/kidnapped.
If we want to block mobile phone systems by far the easiest way is to put a cyber demon inside the closest mobile phone mast (which we can easily do as they're very visible), and get it to transmit noise across the mobile phone frequency range. If we want to block a landline then, once again, we put a cyber demon inside the local serving area interface. They're usually visible by the side of streets or accessible down manholes which would usually be marked.
Modern step down transformers usually contain microelectronics, so if we want to cut the power to the shop we put a demon inside the nearest one of those for the local sub-grid as well.
No emps needed. We're out of luck if they have a satellite phone, but them's the breaks.
It wasn't worth voting given the massive imbalance of votes. I argued in favour of doing so, but there were basically no takers, and I was out nearly all day.
We can still take the five minutes to ring Lydia right now. It doesn't cost us anything, we'll be sitting in Chicago traffic to get wherever we're going for much longer than that. Calling Lydia remains the most urgent and important thing we should be doing right until we're in active combat, or we see that she's already dead/kidnapped.
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EMP seems kind of pointless when a single sword slice will cut the power and phone lines.
Mobile phones exist, but as I say, we can just subvert the closest mast to deal with them.
- Location
- Russia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I've finally read untill ongoing.
It was a pleasure to read and very interesting experience. Reading DragonParadox' quest significantly differs from participating.
(Also I've read first eight books of Dresden Files. It was significantly less pleasurable experience, but I've endured)
As for current vote, involving FBI would be definitely interesting and fun. But, alas, time-consuming and unreliable.
[ ] Move in to save Cindy at once
P.S. Edited my vote to not-voting.
It was a pleasure to read and very interesting experience. Reading DragonParadox' quest significantly differs from participating.
(Also I've read first eight books of Dresden Files. It was significantly less pleasurable experience, but I've endured)
As for current vote, involving FBI would be definitely interesting and fun. But, alas, time-consuming and unreliable.
[ ] Move in to save Cindy at once
P.S. Edited my vote to not-voting.
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it 2006 cell phones are still uncommon, and they are underground no reception anyway.
We dont need to blow out an entire block to fry the electronics in one shop.
Cellphone jammer will not kill a landline.
We need both their cellphones and any landlines down, and as its a shop it has a landline. Ergo, EMP bomb or techbane.
If Gard has a techbane ward or rune, great. If not, we're juryrigging a bomb.
When everyone makes that determination, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
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Game, not simulation.
If her parent asks for a meet after the phone call to judge who is talking to him personally, we cant do so while we're going looking for a kid.You end up with the worst of both worlds.
1)Cellphones exist.
2)I am not voting to stick Mollys sword and arm into a high voltage power line.
She has no environmental resistance charms.
She will die.
Thats just grossly inaccurate.
In 2006 there were 80 cellphone lines for every 100 people in the US
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[X] Leak the location of the ghouls to Wright and his team
You can throw a sword.
Then their is no way to save her.Thats just grossly inaccurate.
In 2006 there were 80 cellphone lines for every 100 people in the US
Mobile wireless penetration rate in the U.S. 2001-2011 | Statista
This statistic depicts the estimated mobile wireless penetration rate, based on Numbering Resource Utilization/Forecast (NRUF) estimates, in the U.S.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
No one in that shop is going to be thinking about using their cell phone to call Katrina when multiple flash-bang grenades get thrown through the windows/doors simultaneously.
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The GM has been explicit that part of Gard's reasoning is to use the FBI as ablative chaff to wear Kattrin down if she shows up.
Michael would have a problem with this. Frankly, so would Molly.
Gard is from an older school, an older era, and is thinking as a soldier, where sacrificing people to pin down a threat is a sound military decision and the sort of decision soldiers have to make. Michael and Molly wont agree.
The Feebs may be annoying but most of them dont deserve to die.
And the consequences of a mass casualty FBI event in Chicago are nontrivial.