Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I am inclined to go in, but I would like to pull up pictures of the tatoo parlor and ask our crown for everything that defends this place first.

It would be not nice to be suprised by something that we didn't see because we didn't ask about defenses.
honestly probably should of asked about defenses previously we need as much essence as possible since this is a fight and then another fight after it today with katrina.
 
I don't trust Wright to act in a for us useful way here.
If we call Murphy, can she keep somr beaten-up goons under control until we are gone?
Yeah, even if we assume he'd believe us and act on it in a timely fashion we can't be sure of what his superiors would think or do. For that matter we can't be sure that they'll only do helpful things instead of getting in the way.

Ignorant of the bigger picture or not, they've got a lot of manpower, resources, and authority to throw around if they want to.
 
Yeah, even if we assume he'd believe us and act on it in a timely fashion we can't be sure of what his superiors would think or do. For that matter we can't be sure that they'll only do helpful things instead of getting in the way.

Ignorant of the bigger picture or not, they've got a lot of manpower, resources, and authority to throw around if they want to.
dp did just say there is a mortal be gone and if they send non mortal things then those are probably things we need to fight anyways.
 
We now know that Katrina has lots of minions, and we're still hanging Lydia and if Daniel is with her, Molly's brother, out to dry.

Cindy is currently safe in the short term. However; she's behind sufficient layers of defences that it would be very hard to get to her before something kills her. That means going after her is risky and difficult, while also doing nothing to help deal with the actual problem. She's a distraction at the moment. She's not on the critical path to stopping the ritual.
 
We now know that Katrina has lots of minions, and we're still hanging Lydia and if Daniel is with her, Molly's brother, out to dry.

Cindy is currently safe in the short term. However; she's behind sufficient layers of defences that it would be very hard to get to her before something kills her. That means going after her is risky and difficult, while also doing nothing to help deal with the actual problem. She's a distraction at the moment. She's not on the critical path to stopping the ritual.
Won't it be fun when the minions grab her and scatter to the wind after we foil the ritual without getting her though?

And yes. She doesn't matter at all to stopping the ritual and we should just let her get her life force sucked out or eaten by ghouls.

So how are you planning on selling that to Mr. Carpenter?
 
[X] Leak the location of the ghouls to Wright and his team

She works with Marcone, if she thinks it'd help, she likely has a better grasp of Fed drives than we do.
 
well she matters a little in that her being safe takes away some of katrinas leverage. Not that they have none she has minions after all and the dude can have been forced to make a magical oath which if he breaks can be disastrous for him. Though I'll note that hes likely going into this thinking he can and likely will die and is willing to do that for his grandkids. Depends on what hes had to promise though here's hoping there are wordy loopholes in what hes been asked so far I doubt it though their smart after all.
 
So, let's not involve Wright - I am not willing to gamble with an innocent's life to check their loyalty. Special investigations, on the other hand, is an option. We could use the Crown to provide them with evidence of whatever illegal activites were going on in the tattoo parlor as payment.

We need a wizard, however, for techbane. We don't actually have an easy way to fry electronics right now.
 
So, let's not involve Wright - I am not willing to gamble with an innocent's life to check their loyalty. Special investigations, on the other hand, is an option. We could use the Crown to provide them with evidence of whatever illegal activites were going on in the tattoo parlor as payment.

We need a wizard, however, for techbane. We don't actually have an easy way to fry electronics right now.
I'm going to point out again wrights not the only agent and am not sure why people keep bringing specifically them up. The chances of every agent being dirty or a patsy is weird though this is simply to get mortals out and maybe kill some of the weaker ghouls.
 
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[] Move in to save Cindy at once
[X] Leak the location of the ghouls to Wright and his team
 
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I was leaning towards using the FBI as a patsy to clear out the mortal goons and the Ghouls, but on reflection I don't want Molly to start thinking of mortals as tools.

[X] Move in to save Cindy at once
 
I'm going to point out again wrights not the only agent and am not sure why people keep bringing specifically them up. The chances of every agent being dirty or a patsy is weird though this is simply to get mortals out and maybe kill some of the weaker ghouls.
The option was specifically floated IC as a method of testing the organizational priorities. I am not willing to do this when an actual child's life is on the line.

[X] Move in to save Cindy at once

How do we disable electronics? The only feasible way without Harry involved I see would be to jury rig an actual EMP on the way. We should be able to do this with TTC, but that would require us disclosing it, and spending essence.
 
[X] Move in to save Cindy at once

I don't look forward to the choice what to do with the human guards, but I don't see a better path forward.
 
How do we disable electronics? The only feasible way without Harry involved I see would be to jury rig an actual EMP on the way. We should be able to do this with TTC, but that would require us disclosing it, and spending essence.
Either make an EMP. Should be int+craft, I think.

Or put a demon into.. no doesn't work. We'd have to put one into every electronic. We do not have that many.
 
I could certainly see a viable solution to both the guards and their electronics.
Laughing Shrapnel Arrival would solve both issues in one blow.

Laughing Shrapnel Arrival (••)
The Infernal needs not fear gravity's pull, instead making it her ally and weapon. When she lands, she unleashes a deadly shockwave-blast filled with the flaying sand and shrapnel of the Hell of Being Skinned Alive.
System: The Infernal may reflexively pay 1 Essence at any time when she is plummeting toward the ground from a height great enough to normally inflict injury, wrapping herself in a powerful corona of Essence. When she lands, this Essence-bomb detonates, and she strikes the ground without suffering any injury whatsoever, scattering the flaying winds of Hell in every direction. Everyone and everything within (Essence x 10) yards of her point of impact must soak (Athletics + Essence) levels of lethal damage.
Signature Effect: When the Infernal dons her Shintai form, this Charm automatically triggers at no cost as though she had just landed from a great fall

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Erupting Fury Rebuke would be even better, and cheaper to buy.
 
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I don't think we should assume the mortals in the shop are enthralled, or even mortal for that matter. The shop has a well concealed but obviously also well used entrance to a part of the Chicago Undertown which hosts a large and active Ghoul nest. If they're being mindfucked, it's something that has been going on for a very long time. If that's the case, they're likely beyond saving after such an extended period of time. Magic in DF that messes with the Human mind is not kind to the psyche or conducive to long-term mental health.

They might even be Ghouls themselves, which makes the most sense of all possible outcomes, IMO.

Basically, while we should not necessarily go in guns blazing, we should not treat them with undue restraint either. Head trauma, broken limbs, and amputations, should all be on the table for dealing with them, if they prove to be vanilla Humans.
 
dp did just say there is a mortal be gone and if they send non mortal things then those are probably things we need to fight anyways.
Fair enough, I didn't see that before posting so my bad.

That said, this FBI division does have minor talents on staff, and that doesn't necessarily mean weak ones. A guy limited to fire evocation but otherwise capable of burning down a shopping center on their own qualifies as a minor talent, as does someone capable of summoning a half dozen mildly superhuman nevernever goons capable of wielding firearms.

If we tell them enough to make them move quickly they'll presumably use assets they think will work. Fighting them would be a problem later on, and cost us time now.


I'm going to point out again wrights not the only agent and am not sure why people keep bringing specifically them up. The chances of every agent being dirty or a patsy is weird though this is simply to get mortals out and maybe kill some of the weaker ghouls.
Yeah, but he is the one we have a demon hooked up to.

We could use the contact data we stole, but that means playing digital tag with the FBI with almost no prep time. Clippy is good, but she can't magically force machines other than the phone she's in to comply.

Using Wright's phone demon burns that resource, but it'd also make tracing us in a conventional way impossible.

Overall I think it's a bad idea on multiple levels, but if we did do it he's the guy it'd be safest to work through, purely based on that access point.

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Incidentally, I think we should make getting a summoning path a priority sometime soon. Regular sorcery - or at least as regular as anything gets for an exalt - isn't as reliable as a charm, but being able to bulk out our forces with chaff of the same grade Binder uses would be very nice. We could send one actually useful person with say three machine gun wielding goons to handle this bit while we handle other stuff.
 
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Incidentally, I think we should make getting a summoning path a priority sometime soon. Regular sorcery - or at least as regular as anything gets for an exalt - isn't as reliable as a charm, but being able to bulk out our forces with chaff of the same grade Binder uses would be very nice. We could send one actually useful person with say three machine gun wielding goons to handle this bit while we handle other stuff.
Honestly not sold on the sorcery stuff. That is another split focus which is really bad for exalted. No game exalted would ever be as all over the place as Molly already it. Adding the sorcery stuff is another xp sink. I would keep to the ancient sorcery stuff. And as an infernal we are littirly the best summoner of the exalted. Get demon of the first circle going, or to be more accurate Slave spawn summons, and get some real power.
 
[X] Move in to save Cindy at once
-[X] If Gard doesn't have a ready-made anti-electronics magic, craft an EMP device to fry their electronics. Don't forget to turn Clippy off before using it.
 
[X] Move in to save Cindy at once
-[X] If Gard doesn't have a ready-made anti-electronics magic, craft an EMP device to fry their electronics. Don't forget to turn Clippy off before using it.
How are we going to make something like that? Molly only has one dot in Technology. I assume she can change the batteries in a TV remote, maybe swap out a PC power supply or even install a new electrical socket, but building a functional and portable EMP device doesn't seem quite within her wheelhouse.
 
I don't think we should assume the mortals in the shop are enthralled, or even mortal for that matter. The shop has a well concealed but obviously also well used entrance to a part of the Chicago Undertown which hosts a large and active Ghoul nest. If they're being mindfucked, it's something that has been going on for a very long time. If that's the case, they're likely beyond saving after such an extended period of time. Magic in DF that messes with the Human mind is not kind to the psyche or conducive to long-term mental health.

They might even be Ghouls themselves, which makes the most sense of all possible outcomes, IMO.

Basically, while we should not necessarily go in guns blazing, we should not treat them with undue restraint either. Head trauma, broken limbs, and amputations, should all be on the table for dealing with them, if they prove to be vanilla Humans.

Entrances to Undertown are actually quite common, the place has layers as was shown in the update. It's not vampires all the way, the more mortal friendly with a significant homeless population unfortunately and yes they are the preferred food of the things that live lower down. That is part of what preserves the masquerade, people just falling off the grid, vanishing. It's the missing numbers you have to look for to see most of the victims of the invisible predation
 
There is no way bringing the Feds into this won't cause a huge mess for us, IMO. They're going to want to control the crime scene in such a way that it will be all but impossible for us to do what we need to do before Cindy becomes Ghoulchow.

Even if everything goes perfectly, they're not just going to back off and slink back to their lair any time soon, and we can't assume that we have time to spare right now. And there is institutional inertia to consider as well. By the time a tip is received and someone decides to finally act on it, travel time to the tattoo parlor, however long it takes to raid the place, then the hours documenting a crime scene, we'd be lucky if the place was cleared out by nightfall.
Yeah, Im inclined to agree.
If we have to involve Law Enforcement, I'd probably call Special Investigations instead of the FBI; they have better institutional knowledge, and both Michael and Dresden used to ride along on raids.

Murphy at least understands the value of speed when dealing with the supernatural, and her guys are sufficiently clued in after the events of the loup-garou tearing a hole through their police station that they should not make dumb mistakes and get killed.
Plus, after Splattercon they could probably use a win or two.

How are we going to make something like that? Molly only has one dot in Technology. I assume she can change the batteries in a TV remote, maybe swap out a PC power supply or even install a new electrical socket, but building a functional and portable EMP device doesn't seem quite within her wheelhouse.

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