Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

each one of these offers a million dollars prize if we asked our crown about one of the problems would we just get the answer dp? Would it target all the math problems or just one at a time cause their specific arching questions of a lot of people and unanswered questions with big rewards?
Do we want to deal with the attention it'd bring if we do?
 
each one of these offers a million dollars prize if we asked our crown about one of the problems would we just get the answer dp? Would it target all the math problems or just one at a time cause their specific arching questions of a lot of people and unanswered questions with big rewards?

It would and it would again be all math problems, because they are mundane and not very interesting to your hell-forged sight. It would also be a very public way to make money since they do not hand those prizes anonymously
 
Conversation at Saint Marry's in Proven Guilty makes it clear that while Nelson was Molly's boyfriend he was also the father of the baby and in Molly's words 'they did not even know what they were doing'. I don't have the books on me because I'm on holiday, but I posted the quote previously here somewhere.
First, thank you for humoring me.

The implication is that Rosie and Nelson had a sexual encounter while stoned out of their gourds.
Molly blaming Nelson for that while absolving Rosie is unreasonable. Believably unreasonable, but still unreasonable.

Im not sure what the state of availability of paternity tests was in 2006, but I would think the second month of pregnancy would be too early for them to decide Nelson was the parent, especially since the previous miscarriage makes it clear that she was sexually active with her boyfriend. A Dresdenverse plothole, probably.

Rosie's actual boyfriend is dead.
Its still really strange that Rosie is not actually talking about the dude she was actually dating who died.
As opposed to the dude who is Molly's ex.

You could also stick demons in their devices and make them spit out their banking information. Hollow Mind Possession works wonders... scary scary wonders.
Yeah.If we werent trying to be halfway legit, an Exalt in modern society has many options for seed money.
Just taking a Greyhound bus down to the Mexican border, flying across and tracking down the local cartel boss and operation, then and cutting into his safe would give Molly a couple duffelbags of drug money with no trail.

Dont even have to go down into Mexico. I suspect there's a cartel operation on the eastern seaboard with a fair bit of cash.
Eh. At least the mildly less bad version of that vote won. Silver linings I suppose.

Have you read the discussion? @DragonParadox I believe the consensus is to back out of providing help while offering token assistance to save face. Because it will consume too much AP, and teenage problems are boring and this is her own fault anyway for being a low willpower build.

At least thats what I got from the discussion.
No offense, but you are reading things that noone has said or implied.

Giving Rosie money is the low investment, easy option.
Thats just handing her a lottery ticket after she turns 18, or hooking her up with a trust fund.
We are offering open-ended help, which is worth vastly more in value, and requires significantly more resource investment.

Ah. Good old "money doesnt matter it's your fault you are poor and miserable."
Coupled with the equally reliable. "Money wont help people." "God will help people." "The free market will help people." And of course. "Someone else will help people." Good old American middleclass standby.
There is a difference between welfare payments and rent support, and having six or seven figures dropped on you out of the blue.

Its a demonstrated fact that an unexpected windfall of lifechanging money often leaves the recipient worse off than before.
They have no experience handling that much money, it generates interfamilial tensions, and it draws opportunists like shit on a stick draws flies. Its happened to lottery winners and people who became abruptly successful, like new musicians or actors.

Combine this with Rosie being a teenage heroin addict with little life experience, a shaky support structure and a Willpower of 2, and thats a recipe for disaster. There's every chance that dumping five million dollars on Rosie right now with no further intervention would be a major contributory factor in her ending up dead in five years. No cap.

Money is very nice, and will solve a great bulk of the problems of very many people.
Rosie is not many people.
Money does not solve her problems, not when the cause was not lack of money in the first place.

You cant just spend your way to mental and social stability.
You cant spend your way to managing a newly awakened magical talent.

like honestly other than being a shit person if we give her the money and time to not have to work (or at least not work away from the kid) when taking care of said baby other than just being a shit person how does she fuck up having a baby? Plenty of mothers have been as young as her age is not the only qualifier for what ruins being a parent.
Raising a kid is Serious Business.
Carrying a pregnancy to term is a noshit life-changing event, and an actual life-threatening event for a significant number of women for reasons of everything from gestational diabetes to preeclampsia to abruptio placenta and DIC.

Then you have to actually raise the shapeless mass of protoplasm into a halfway functional human being through late night wakeup calls, childhood health issues and ethical crises, while somehow keeping them from killing themselves in the interim because they know no better.

You havent had your heart jump into your throat until a baby escape artist attempts to defenestrate themselves from a multistory building, or runs into traffic the moment your back is turned, or attempts to stick a metal fork in an electric socket.
And thats just the first couple of years.

Every new parent has stories if you can get them to repeat them to you.

There's a reason why first time parents in human history had an extended family to lean on, with people who had done this before and who could sub in and give them time off, allow them to vent, provide advice.
This shit is hard.

And she's got no partner to share the load; her actual boyfriend is dead, and Nelson got mindfucked worse than she did, and wont be in any state to be anybody's co-parent while recovering from what Molly's black magic did to his mental stability.
 
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it

[X] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals

[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
 
First, thank you for humoring me.

The implication is that Rosie and Nelson had a sexual encounter while stoned out of their gourds.
Molly blaming Nelson for that while absolving Rosie is unreasonable. Believably unreasonable, but still unreasonable.

Im not sure what the state of availability of paternity tests was in 2006, but I would think the second month of pregnancy would be too early for them to decide Nelson was the parent, especially since the previous miscarriage makes it clear that she was sexually active with her boyfriend. A Dresdenverse plothole, probably.

Rosie's actual boyfriend is dead.
Its still really strange that Rosie is not actually talking about the dude she was actually dating who died.
As opposed to the dude who is Molly's ex.


Yeah.If we werent trying to be halfway legit, an Exalt in modern society has many options for seed money.
Just taking a Greyhound bus down to the Mexican border, flying across and tracking down the local cartel boss and operation, then and cutting into his safe would give Molly a couple duffelbags of drug money with no trail.

Dont even have to go down into Mexico. I suspect there's a cartel operation on the eastern seaboard with a fair bit of cash.

No offense, but you are reading things that noone has said or implied.

Giving Rosie money is the low investment, easy option.
Thats just handing her a lottery ticket after she turns 18, or hooking her up with a trust fund.
We are offering open-ended help, which is worth vastly more in value, and requires significantly more resource investment.


There is a difference between welfare payments and rent support, and having six or seven figures dropped on you out of the blue.

Its a demonstrated fact that an unexpected windfall of lifechanging money often leaves the recipient worse off than before.
They have no experience handling that much money, it generates interfamilial tensions, and it draws opportunists like shit on a stick draws flies. Its happened to lottery winners and people who became abruptly successful, like new musicians or actors.

Combine this with Rosie being a teenage heroin addict with little life experience, a shaky support structure and a Willpower of 2, and thats a recipe for disaster. There's every chance that dumping five million dollars on Rosie right now with no further intervention would be a major contributory factor in her ending up dead in five years. No cap.

Money is very nice, and will solve a great bulk of the problems of very many people.
Rosie is not many people.
Money does not solve her problems, not when the cause was not lack of money in the first place.

You cant just spend your way to mental and social stability.
You cant spend your way to managing a newly awakened magical talent.


Raising a kid is Serious Business.
Carrying a pregnancy to term is a noshit life-changing event, and an actual life-threatening event for a significant number of women for reasons of everything from gestational diabetes to preeclampsia to abruptio placenta and DIC.

Then you have to actually raise the shapeless mass of protoplasm into a halfway functional human being through late night wakeup calls, childhood health issues and ethical crises, while somehow keeping them from killing themselves in the interim because they know no better.

You havent had your heart jump into your throat until a baby escape artist attempts to defenestrate themselves from a multistory building, or runs into traffic the moment your back is turned, or attempts to stick a metal fork in an electric socket.
And thats just the first couple of years.

Every new parent has stories if you can get them to repeat them to you.

There's a reason why first time parents in human history had an extended family to lean on, with people who had done this before and who could sub in and give them time off, allow them to vent, provide advice.
This shit is hard.

And she's got no partner to share the load; her actual boyfriend is dead, and Nelson got mindfucked worse than she did, and wont be in any state to be anybody's co-parent while recovering from what Molly's black magic did to his mental stability.
True though I'll note abortion wasn't a mentioned option among the ones she listed so the health complications don't really have anything to do with this. also spell check her not judging just telling ya I spell stuff wrong all the time.
 
offhand I know we can't do this dp if we asked what is everything the archives intellectus knows uh why wouldn't it work? Cause obviously its a game breaking question which gives us past 5 dots in several skills or would it work?
 
offhand I know we can't do this dp if we asked what is everything the archive knows uh why wouldn't it work? Cause obviously its a game breaking question which gives us past 5 dots in several skills or would it work?

Your answer would be 'she knows everything written down'. Asking 'what is everything ever written down' will fail because you cannot conceptualize that, same reason you cannot ask how the universe started.
 
Your answer would be 'she knows everything written down'. Asking 'what is everything ever written down' will fail because you cannot conceptualize that, same reason you cannot ask how the universe started.
Is it actually impossible for a human though seeing as the archive definitely still has free will and is a human? Given they've definitely got something that makes them not explode. what happens if we ask what made the archive or how the archive was made?
 
Is it actually impossible for a human though seeing as the archive definitely still has free will and is a human? Given they've definitely got something that makes them not explode.

I mean no, it is clearly not impossible for the Archive because she is the Archive. This is the same way it should be impossible for any human wizard to do the subtle fate weaving and/or soul-shaping that goes into a a typical use of VED, yet you can use VED because you are an infernal Exalted.
 
I mean no, it is clearly not impossible for the Archive because she is the Archive. This is the same way it should be impossible for any human wizard to do the subtle fate weaving and/or soul-shaping that goes into a a typical use of VED, yet you can use VED because you are an infernal Exalted.
okay sorry last question if we asked for all the archives knowledge on exalted martial arts this is a very what if theoretical we likely wouldn't ask would we actually get the knowledge on said martial arts parsed from the many possible manuals written in the past however many years of existence? Also thanks for your patience dp I appreciate you humoring my questions.
 
[X] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon


These are the questions I want to ask. Rosie, for our humanity. The Church, for politics. The Denarians for practicality, paranoia and to prevent Rosie the denarian. And possibly as a route of investigation into exaltation (as the denarii are the closest to the exaltation there is).
 
[x] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?
[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
[X] Vampires of all stripes, some of them seem a lot less questionable than others
 
[X] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon


These are the questions I want to ask. Rosie, for our humanity. The Church, for politics. The Denarians for practicality, paranoia and to prevent Rosie the denarian. And possibly as a route of investigation into exaltation (as the denarii are the closest to the exaltation there is).
I don't see rosie being made a denarian its very very unlikely especially since she doesn't have much personal use and if its to get at molly or michael or harry just use someone like little harry.
 
[X] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?
[X] The Church and and those in the know within it
[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon

Why not.
 
okay sorry last question if we asked for all the archives knowledge on exalted martial arts this is a very what if theoretical we likely wouldn't ask would we actually get the knowledge on said martial arts parsed from the many possible manuals written in the past however many years of existence? Also thanks for your patience dp I appreciate you humoring my questions.

You do not know that Celestial Martial arts are a thing so you cannot use it as part of a question. If you to learn what it is, have at least the rough shape of it then you can indeed use the Archive as a focus and ask 'what does she know about Celestial Martial arts?'. It would not give you the skills, but it would tap what she knows on the subject, one source of intelectus leeching off another.

That would burn out the Archive as a source of lore though since she would be the subject.
 
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You do not know that Celestial Martial arts are a thing so you cannot use it as part of a question. If you to learn what it is, have at least the rough shape of it then you can indeed use the Archive as a focus and ask 'what does she know about Celestial Martial arts?'. It would not give you the skills, but it would tap what she knows on the subject, one source of intelectus leeching off another.

That would burn out the Archive as a source of lore though since she would be the subject.
thats fine its a theoretical and theoretically if they knew dozens of manuals worth would we get those dozens of manuals worth or the gist of said manuals ergo not very useful?
 
thats fine its a theoretical and theoretically if they knew dozens of manuals worth would we get those dozens of manuals worth or the gist of said manuals ergo not very useful?

You would get everything she knows on the subject even if it would fill a library. Your Exaltation might not be able to steal everything the Archive knows, but one subject one time in a metaphysical hit a run, that it can do.
 
You would get everything she knows on the subject even if it would fill a library. Your Exaltation might not be able to steal everything the Archive knows, but one subject one time in a metaphysical hit a run, that it can do.
I wonder would everything they know about exalted be too much. Well that obviously depends on what they know I guess lol. Also obviously their knowledge would be incomplete I doubt even autochthon knows everything about exalted that shits weird especially not the stuff that sorta came after he left.
 
What's Molly's Computer Skill in practice? Does 0 Mean she has to start from scratch, or does she just have basic computer skills for somebody in 2006(AKA: No knowledge of programming or advanced search techniques or anything like that)
 
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