Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I would like nothing more than to give Rosie a briefcase full of money and never have to deal with her crap again. That's completely OOC, however, so I support Molly trying to help her friend, no matter how little I care for Rosie's situation.

People fuck up having babies all the time, dude. It's disgusting how often new parents, especially young, naive idiots who never bothered to take a parenting class, end up causing their infants serious medical issues through neglect, malnutrition, or ignorance.

And that's completely ignoring the issues that often come up with outright abuse or malice. "Shaken Baby Syndrome' is no joke, and kills infants every year, but there are plenty of examples of new parents harming their children. Not that I expect Rosie to do that, but your question was fairly broad.

A mother who neglects her own health during pregnancy can cause all sorts of issues for the unborn fetus. A prospective mother's poor eating habits, stress, vitamin deficiencies, drug-use, etc., all affect the baby. It can cause premature birth, birth defects, lifelong health issues, miscarriages, stillbirth, etc.

There is also the possibility of severe post-partum depression. That one is a really doozy, and if affects many of women much more strongly than others. Women who were stable, healthy, and not otherwise emotionally compromised by black magic, fragile psyches, and the potential distress caused by uncontrollable visions of terrible events, have done pretty terrible things while suffering from severe, untreated post-partum depression, including suicide infanticide.
the latter makes sense honestly not sure their likely to get better in the foster care system plenty never get adopted, many foster care parents or whatever you want to call them are frankly shit people, not all of course just a lot, also you know a lot get treated badly in a lot of ways. Also we're exalted I'm sure we can cure depression with copious amounts of insanity Also not that I think your mentioning medical problems before birth as something our friends likely to deal with we can probably by the time its a problem if it even is help with that.

Also slightly unrelated are infernal exalted children a thing and how do they come out? Not that I think we'll ever deal with it in quest. Well children technically if we make a world in our soul we'd be parents and should probably treat it like that somewhat and not be a shit demon mother goddess.
 
Dont need to read any subtext into this though. I was right about you thinking shell just fuck any assistance she gets up. Especially monetary assistance.
The subtext here isn't that she'll blow the money on video games and booze; it's that she isn't ready to be a parent and will fuck up what is actually a fairly complicated task.

In the process she'll also fuck up her own mental recovery and her attempts to actually finish growing up.
like honestly other than being a shit person if we give her the money and time to not have to work (or at least not work away from the kid) when taking care of said baby other than just being a shit person how does she fuck up having a baby? Plenty of mothers have been as young as her age is not the only qualifier for what ruins being a parent.
A mentally and emotionally unstable teenager kept up all hours of the night by their new baby will find something to fuck up.

You don't have to deliberately be an asshole to mess up a child, otherwise less people would have issues from their parents. The older they get the more complicated caring for them becomes.

For a case study in how one person's issues can impact their kids, take a look at Charity.

She's a good person and a fairly good mother; but she's a serious control freak for various reasons that drove Molly to act out and eventually run away.

Molly lived on the streets in the middle of winter rather than even speak to her mother.

Think about the snippets we've had so far on their relationship and then imagine a version of her that was significantly less emotionally mature and didn't have counterbalancing forces just as invested as she was in her daughter. That was utterly dependent on someone else because her support network save for one node fell apart.

Then add the spice that her only source of support is one of the people who hurt her the worst, but hasn't come clean yet.

There's an argument to be made that Charity starting a family less than three years after her trauma contributed to her issues with her firstborn daughter now even though she had her shit fairly well put together.

It's difficult to predict how the consequences of the last year will influence her personality, but I do think there will be things she needs to address. I'd expect it to be in most measures worse and more extreme than the problems Charity had.

I'm on board for the financial support, but unless we become her platonic Micheal and adopt the kid ourselves I don't think her keeping the child is a good idea.
 
I wonder if mercy in servitude or false spring beckons would work on post depression?

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Truly. It's like the clouds parting to reveal the sun or something.
 
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The subtext here isn't that she'll blow the money on video games and booze; it's that she isn't ready to be a parent and will fuck up what is actually a fairly complicated task.

In the process she'll also fuck up her own mental recovery and her attempts to actually finish growing up.

A mentally and emotionally unstable teenager kept up all hours of the night by their new baby will find something to fuck up.

You don't have to deliberately be an asshole to mess up a child, otherwise less people would have issues from their parents. The older they get the more complicated caring for them becomes.

For a case study in how one person's issues can impact their kids, take a look at Charity.

She's a good person and a fairly good mother; but she's a serious control freak for various reasons that drove Molly to act out and eventually run away.

Molly lived on the streets in the middle of winter rather than even speak to her mother.

Think about the snippets we've had so far on their relationship and then imagine a version of her that was significantly less emotionally mature and didn't have counterbalancing forces just as invested as she was in her daughter. That was utterly dependent on someone else because her support network save for one node fell apart.

Then add the spice that her only source of support is one of the people who hurt her the worst, but hasn't come clean yet.

There's an argument to be made that Charity starting a family less than three years after her trauma contributed to her issues with her firstborn daughter now even though she had her shit fairly well put together.

It's difficult to predict how the consequences of the last year will influence her personality, but I do think there will be things she needs to address. I'd expect it to be in most measures worse and more extreme than the problems Charity had.

I'm on board for the financial support, but unless we become her platonic Micheal and adopt the kid ourselves I don't think her keeping the child is a good idea.
honestly her keeping the child isn't really our decision mostly just providing her the tools to do what she wants I guess? I mean not to sound stupid or soapy sometimes you've gotta have faith though?

Edit: Though seriously if anyone with exalted knowledge can answer my baby question that'd be appreciated.
I wonder if mercy in servitude or false spring beckons would work on post depression?

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Truly. It's like the clouds parting to reveal the sun or something.
maybe we definitely aren't gonna use mind control we probably have some trait of super trauma related to it now or well would also been taught what we did was really stupid.
 
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I'm on board for the financial support, but unless we become her platonic Micheal and adopt the kid ourselves I don't think her keeping the child is a good idea.
From the philosophical standpoint agreed wholeheartedly. She wants to keep the baby however, and she might very well be able to turn her life around with her two willpower actually never mind no way unless we learning charm her.

Still much like frog I am more optimistic than pessimistic here.
 
Honestly, I thought we would personally support her and that promising the money is a strong commotment, not a solution in itself.

As I said, we should try and take responsibility for something small like a family first, before ruling a nation or world with our Hell.
 
Winning vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 5, 2022 at 8:44 AM, finished with 115 posts and 27 votes.

  • [X] First, she is going to focus on getting better.
    -[X] Second, you're going to research the shit out of every charity and possible aid she can get. There are things out there, and you're part of a church that likely has plenty of connections for that.
    -[X] Third, you are here for her. If all else fails, you will find ways to help and support her, and you can do a lot.
    -[X] Ultimately though, she has to remember that you're here for her. You are not going to demand she rely on you. If she needs something you can help, but you also want to help her get better and have a brighter future where she can be independent on her own.
    [X] Offer Rosie as much money as she might need to take care of her baby, you'll figure it out somehow
    [X] "You don't have to make any decisions right now, Rosie. Focus on getting healthy and staying that way, both for yourself and for the baby. That's the most important thing right now."
    -[X] "Whether you decide to keep her or find another home for her, you have options. There are resources, charities, and churches that can help. You wouldn't be the first young, unwed mother with a newborn baby and you won't be the last. And you've still got me. We'll figure something out, okay?"
    --[X] And while you don't mention it to Rosie, you resolve yourself to acquire the funds to support your friend and her baby, should it prove necessary.
    [X] Say nothing, just arrange for her to find a winning lottery ticket in a few months.
 
Arc 1 Post 29: Learning Experience
Learning Experience

10th of July 2006 A.D.

You want to help your friend, you should help someone you hurt so badly even if she doesn't know that, even if you can't tell her as fragile as she is right now, but at the same time... Am I the best person to help? You cannot help but wonder as you reach the the wipes in your purse to dry Rosie's cheeks. Sure you can make arbitrary amounts of money given enough time and you are a decent hand at changing diapers after all these years in House Carpenter but taking care of a baby involves more than that, that is a whole other person who needs taking care of for years and years.

"Shh... you need to focus on getting better first." You pat her hand lightly without thinking.

"You're cold," she says through the last of her sobs, looking up at you blearily.

"Yeah, it's a magic thing," you explain. "Turns out you can't go to the land of Ice and Snow and come back unchanged, even if you didn't go there for the scenic tour."

Rosie gives a watery smile. "Dork." Then maybe to distract herself she asks. "What was that place?"

"It's generally called the Nevernever." Myabe a bit of Usum's snobbishness it rubbing off on you, but that is a really useless non-descriptive name. You might as well call it the Other Place. "It's where a lot of weird stuff comes from, the deeper you go the weirder it gets." Though you would have to go deep indeed to find something as weird as me, you think feeling a little proud and a little worried. There are no signposts on the road ahead.

Though you had expected Rosie to ask more about magic she doesn't, filling the air with questions about mutual acquaintances and school. She's a year ahead of you and graduates this year. Thankfully she is going to graduate, you had been low key worried about her grades on top of everything else, but apparently her mom had handled it.

"Jarred probably paid 'em off. It wouldn't do to have a high-school dropout stepdaughter. What would his golf buddies think," Rosie says bitterly.

You would almost rather she asks you about wicked faeries. When Rosie had been fifteen one of said 'golf buddies' had put his hands on her and he had only taken no for an answer when she had smashed a glass over his head. Some monsters are all too human. Her mother hadn't believed a word she said. Maybe that is why she'd been so eager to be with Ken from the start, at least that was something she chose even if it had ended... poorly.

It's just a pity I don't know the creep's name, you think. Emptying out his bank account with a little demonic help sounds like just the right comeuppances, but you can't really ask Rosie about him. What was the name of the guy who assaulted you, I'd like to ruin his life?

"A question that can be asked of the universe as much as of the girl,"
Usum opines slyly.

Filing that one under plans for later you consider what you can do now. There are probably charities willing to help, but you do not know which ones and a vow to 'look for help would sound hollow so you are going to look, you are going to ask your dad and your mom and father Forthhill when you see him and then if you find something you'll tell Rosie about it.

And if I can't find anything... well somewhat clueless help is still better than no help. I'll find will find a way to make this work.

By the time you leave Rosie is if not cheerful than at least in better spirits. You promise to visit again soon and she asks you to bring food over flowers next time. Hospital food here is somehow worse than cafeteria food at school.

***​

11th of July 2006 A.D.

Tuesday brings with it a screeching pause to the normal end of term excitement in the form of what Alec calls 'The Math Test from Hell'. Mr Watson hands it out to would be mathletes and anyone who wants to fix their grade. You rather naively offer to take it... and then spend an hour mostly staring blankly at the paper. You are pretty sure calling down fire lightning and flood with magic rites would be easier to figure out than this nonsense.

You gain 4 Essence -> Reduced to 3 because of the cap

"The work of some particularly twisted and sadistic demon mistress," Usum offers with such seriousness that you begin to wonder about some of his other straight faced suggestions. Still it is a funny thought.

You hand in the scribble paper with a shrug and a smile. "Not my lucky day Mr Watson."

"It could be if you just applied yourself more Carpenter," the teacher fires back good-naturedly. Math is not your favorite subject, but he makes is bearable at least.

"I've got a lot of other stuff to apply myself to," you reply and he tsks.

You wonder how he would take being told what you really mean.

***​


That afternoon dad drives you to Saint Marry's with a promise to fetch you back home when you are done. Even mom doesn't ask that you stick by him like glue when you are already on holy ground and in the company of a responsible adult in the know. For your part you cannot help but wonder how the good father would take... what you are. He did not have an archangel confirm that you are safe after all.

"Father Forthil knows Molly..." your dad stats, but you cut him off.

"Really? Because then he aught to tell me, because I don't really know what I am," you try to make it a joke, but the fear seeps in anyway.

"A child of God in need of some help and guidance that I might provide," a familiar voice calls out from inside the church. The Parish Priest of Saint Marry's and family friend for as long as you've lived in the city is as you remember him, a slight man with greying hair starting to thin a little at the temples and bright blue eyes behind wire-rim spectacles.

Reaching into the filled cup of your essence you find the grace to turn on your heel as if you had always known he was there and the polite smile just so. "Good evening Father."

Lost 1 Essence

"No need to stand on ceremony on my account Molly," he says and his smile says more. Did he notice you had used magic just now? How? Even dad doesn't you are pretty sure.

He leads you through the church proper and into his office in the back, a small room with a narrow window which nonetheless manages to be homey between the warm luster of the wood and the big chairs you could lose yourself in. The scent of mint tea hangs pleasantly in the air.

"I know this might be hard for you to believe not just of me, but of anyone after the last few days, but I promise I will not judge you for what you can do, for what you might do or for what you 'are', the which is hard for even the wisest of wizards to tell I have heard," the priest begins.

Something about his too serene manner irks you, unfairly maybe but... "What about what I have done?" you test him.

"We are all to be judged by that," he admits gravely. "But where there is sin there is also forgiveness."

What do you ask of Father Forthil?
Choose three:

[] Magic and what he has seen of it

[] The Church and and those in the know within it

[] How he was introduced to the supernatural

[] The Fey Courts

[] Vampires of all stripes, some of them seem a lot less questionable than others

[] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals


[] The local supernatural scene (He does not have anything to say about this that you do not already know)

[] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon

[] Does he know any charities that could help Rosie?

[] Write in


OOC: This is a bit scattered I'm afraid, but I wanted to get the ball rolling and the only vote I could have out in at an earlier break point would have been 'what do you do next' and those aren't very engaging.
 
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Not quite all of the topics I'm most interested in, but these are the ones he is likely able to answer more thoroughly, IMO.

[X] The Church and and those in the know within it

[X] The unquiet dead you've... heard they can linger in hospitals

[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon
 
not that I uh think its a bad question per say you sure father knows much about ghosts? Like stereotypically sure not sure they actually definitively know much about them though right?

Edit: When I say father I do mean the priest lol I know michaels right there too.
 
not that I uh think its a bad question per say you sure father knows much about ghosts? Like stereotypically sure not sure they actually definitively know much about them though right?

Edit: When I say father I do mean the priest lol I know michaels right there too.

Sure, no you are not sure he knows anything about fairies either, but it sounds like something he might have encountered before. I mean if some family is having their house smashed up by an angry poltergeist there is some chance they will call in an exorcist.
 
technically couldn't we have used the crown on our math test for all the answers? I know I as an idiot would use cosmic power to cheat on math I don't disrespect the forbidden subject just knowing it myself is not on the menu.
 
Mmm. Priests are usually called in when they suspect that a building is being haunted.

According to ghost detective shows at least :V he might know stuff.
 
Sure, no you are not sure he knows anything about fairies either, but it sounds like something he might have encountered before. I mean if some family is having their house smashed up by an angry poltergeist there is some chance they will call in an exorcist.
That I'm sure of the mechanics and actualalities of ghosts though I don't know if they'd have any.
Mmm. Priests are usually called in when they suspect that a building is being haunted.

According to ghost detective shows at least :V he might know stuff.
Oh I'm sure hes called on 'relatively' a lot for ghosts now is he actually competent at said subject thats more doubtful and if hes competent does he actually know what hes doing or just hitting it with his faith like a holy baseball bat against the unquiet dead.
 
From the philosophical standpoint agreed wholeheartedly. She wants to keep the baby however, and she might very well be able to turn her life around with her two willpower actually never mind no way unless we learning charm her.

Still much like frog I am more optimistic than pessimistic here.
So the plan is more mind magic on Molly's original victim? Because that's what it'll look like to everyone else, and probably feel like to Rosie if we actually come clean.

I mean even the motives are the same, we're just also adding immense mundane leverage over her life to the mix as well.

That's some real "forced to live in the house of your rapist or starve" type shit. Which is the level of violation what Molly did to her equates to by the way.

Maybe we should learn the lesson Molly did in canon and stop trying to fix people by force.
 
That would have burned it out for all school tests, it's a mundane topic and this one was not really worth it.
can we use our one question on our teacher to learn the answers for every single assignment he gives us? :p
also calling math a mundane topic smh dp. Actually if we used our crown on an unsolved math problem the millennium prize problems for example could our crown answer correctly for us obviously without you actually telling us the answer?
 
There are three meaningful skills we can teach her at this point if we had Chirality Prohibition Index. Swordfighting, Occultism, and Intimidating People. It's not meant to make Scholars, it's meant to make soldiers.
 
So the plan is more mind magic on Molly's original victim? Because that's what it'll look like to everyone else, and probably feel like to Rosie if we actually come clean.

I mean even the motives are the same, we're just also adding immense mundane leverage over her life to the mix as well.

That's some real "forced to live in the house of your rapist or starve" type shit. Which is the level of violation what Molly did to her equates to by the way.

Maybe we should learn the lesson Molly did in canon and stop trying to fix people by force.
in fairness learning charms aren't exactly mind magic and definitely aren't black magic as far as black magic is considered its more like making reality our bitch really. So please don't exactly use that defense in the future now there are mind charms that are straight up mind rape bring that up then.
 
So the plan is more mind magic on Molly's original victim? Because that's what it'll look like to everyone else, and probably feel like to Rosie if we actually come clean.

I mean even the motives are the same, we're just also adding immense mundane leverage over her life to the mix as well.

That's some real "forced to live in the house of your rapist or starve" type shit. Which is the level of violation what Molly did to her equates to by the way.

Maybe we should learn the lesson Molly did in canon and stop trying to fix people by force.

A learning charm does not feel like mind magic, mind magic is a violation because some clueless mortal is blundering around in your brain. The charms of the Exalted suffers from no such limitation, when it lets the Chosen teach something in a day that would take others a year it does so by making you Just That Good at Teaching (TM). Well other than shoving a dark spirit at her, but you probably won't do that part without a lot of explanations.
 
each one of these offers a million dollars prize if we asked our crown about one of the problems would we just get the answer dp? Would it target all the math problems or just one at a time cause their specific arching questions of a lot of people and unanswered questions with big rewards?
 
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