Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The longer form vote is... not great IMO?

DP will probably rescue it in the update though so. *shrug*

So what would you recommend then?
Idk as I said it's my personal opinion and I don't really have an answer tbh my original vote of tell her was ill thought out. So I think I'll just wait and see how this concludes unless someone comes up with something I find reasonable.
 
[X] First, she is going to focus on getting better.
-[X] Second, you're going to research the shit out of every charity and possible aid she can get. There are things out there, and you're part of a church that likely has plenty of connections for that.
-[X] Third, you are here for her. If all else fails, you will find ways to help and support her, and you can do a lot.
-[X] Ultimately though, she has to remember that you're here for her. You are not going to demand she rely on you. If she needs something you can help, but you also want to help her get better and have a brighter future where she can be independent on her own.
 
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"You always knew what you wanted in life didn't you Molly?" she shakes her head sadly then looks at her stomach, hand hovering over it, not quite touching. "I haven't even been able to keep from fucking up my own life and now I'm supposed to take care of another one. Nelson's gone you know..." And good riddance, you think anger over what he had done to Rosie more than enough to wash away the guilt for what you had done to him. "I know," is all you say aloud.
Hey, y'all are slandering my boy Nelson here #JusticeforNelson

Seriously though, Im not getting Molly's hostility to Nelson.
Ken was Rosie's boyfriend and babydaddy.
The dude didnt survive Splattercon.

Nelson was Molly's boyfriend. The one who people remarked was similar to Dresden in looks and aptitude.
The only commonality is that they were both drug users.
If he'd cheated on her with her female friend, the dynamic here would be very different.

Am I missing something?
What do you do?
[] Offer Rosie as much money as she might need to take care of her baby, you'll figure it out somehow
I would argue that her fate is linked to Molly's already anyway.

But I would advice against just offering her money.
Just dumping money on someone with a history of drug abuse is not necessarily a good idea, as the history of any number of celebrities will tell you. Too much temptation.

She needs a support structure. Lost Star has the right idea there.

Fortunately, she only found out she was pregnant again less than a month ago, since Molly hit her with the mindwhammy around two or three weeks ago. That would put her at less than four months pregnant, probably less than three months.
Since she's not considering abortion, that means she doesnt have to make any permanent decisions until the child is born.

Five or six months is a long time for a teenager. And for a motivated baby Exalt to upgrade your entire life.
Wow, thats horrible permanent WP.
I mean, sure, she's a heroin user, and as a teenagers arent known for the strength of their personality.
Still, 2WP base is terrible. V20 classifies WP 2 as Weak, just 1 dot over WP1 which is Spineless.

You could even go for something like the following, though keep in mind that any spirit summoned and bound by the magic of an infernal is unlikely to be a nice mentor
Maybe, maybe not.
Someone like Tera the wolfwere from Fool Moon, who taught the Alphas is almost certainly a creature of darkness herself by the definition thats been stated inquest. And by the fact that she had the intestinal fortitude to knowingly date a loup-garou.

Of course, we could always wait until we set up our personal Hell, and summon someone from there.
This would for instance make Harry a natural at Mind or Spirit magic overnight, even at Life which is really rare for wizards in this world. Taking a wish from you would leave a mark in his magic under the Sight even if he does not take the three to make him a Creature of Darkness
Hmm.

Im assuming that by these rules, teenage Harry's fight with the Walker, patronage by the Leanansidhe and Starborn status showed up in his magic under the Sight. Just like canon Molly's tutelage by the Leanansidhe would have showed up in hers before she became the Winter Lady.

One does have to wonder how the Outsiders manage to hide their mark on others, because you'd think it would be a radioactive brand.


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[X] First, she is going to focus on getting better.
-[X] Second, you're going to research the shit out of every charity and possible aid she can get. There are things out there, and you're part of a church that likely has plenty of connections for that.
-[X] Third, you are here for her. If all else fails, you will find ways to help and support her, and you can do a lot.
-[X] Ultimately though, she has to remember that you're here for her. You are not going to demand she rely on you. If she needs something you can help, but you also want to help her get better and have a brighter future where she can be independent on her own.
 
[X] First, she is going to focus on getting better.
-[X] Second, you're going to research the shit out of every charity and possible aid she can get. There are things out there, and you're part of a church that likely has plenty of connections for that.
-[X] Third, you are here for her. If all else fails, you will find ways to help and support her, and you can do a lot.
-[X] Ultimately though, she has to remember that you're here for her. You are not going to demand she rely on you. If she needs something you can help, but you also want to help her get better and have a brighter future where she can be independent on her own.
 
[X] "You don't have to make any decisions right now, Rosie. Focus on getting healthy and staying that way, both for yourself and for the baby. That's the most important thing right now."
-[X] "Whether you decide to keep her or find another home for her, you have options. There are resources, charities, and churches that can help. You wouldn't be the first young, unwed mother with a newborn baby and you won't be the last. And you've still got me. We'll figure something out, okay?"
--[X] And while you don't mention it to Rosie, you resolve yourself to acquire the funds to support your friend and her baby, should it prove necessary.
 
Could you give some of the more powerful Merits, like the one that gives someone a minor supernatural template? Or the really potent ones, like:

Immortal (7 points)
In addition to the slow-aging process, you're also immune to death itself unless you meet your special doom (as described below) or have your body completely obliterated. Shooting won't kill you, poison won't kill you, starvation won't kill you, but being incinerated or dissolved in acid would end your life for good. Otherwise, your wounds heal at the usual rate, eventually bringing you back from the dead… which, if you've been buried, embalmed, entombed, or otherwise trapped could be a very bad thing for you! Regardless of the level of this Merit, you must have at least one special doom: an event that will kill your ass dead for good. This doom could involve decapitation, burning of your body, immersion in salt water, removal of the eternal revivification unit installed within your heart, and so forth. This doom must be determined before the chronicle begins, and if it ever befalls you… well, life was fun while it lasted, right?


or even more

Nephilim /Laham (7 pt. Merit)
Long ago, it has been said, immortals walked the earth, siring offspring whose descendants still live among us now. The Hebrew Bible refers to them as nephilim, an ambiguous word that seems to be related to root words for "fallen," "prisoners," and "overseers." Later transliterations refer to them as giants, monsters, watchers, and the fallen (or violent) ones. Were they gods? Angels? Demons? Not even the Awakened know for sure; you, however, have a bit of High Umbral essence within you, and this nephilim inheritance – known sometimes by the demon-blooded name of laham – marks you as something more than merely human (Awakened or otherwise). A living crossroads between the Astral Realm and the mortal world, you exist in a heightened state of spiritual essence. Your aura burns with unearthly intensity, and your presence frightens many Otherworldly denizens. Your connection to High Umbral entities might involve a distant relationship to primordial sires, or the far more recent activities of mortals and spirits who shared a distinctly carnal relationship. ("Mom, seriously – I need to know the truth about Dad") Are you part-demon? Descended from an angel? Sired by an entity whose nature transcends mortal concepts like "good" and "evil"? You probably don't even know, although events in your chronicle might reveal the truth whether you want to learn it or not.


Which gives:

An aura that blazes with inhuman power
Three points of physical flaws
A quintessence rating of seven that auto-refreshes every time you sleep (this is amazingly good)
Three points of resonance
-1 difficulty with Mind and Spirit effects relating to the High Umbra
Able to travel physically to the High Umbra much more easily
Add two dice to bargaining with High Umbral entities
+2 difficulty to resisting spells from magical traditions that know a lot about angels or demons
Optional seven points in advantages for nephilim or infernal investments for laham in return for five points of derangements
Immortal sounds like Nicodemus' Merit which he gets from the noose around his neck, which is allegedly the one that Judas Iscariot used to hang himself after betraying Christ.
You cant kill him unless you strangle him to death with the noose around his neck.

Nephilim just sounds like Irwin Pounder from the Bigfoot short stories.
No, there is a reason why I stopped at the favored sphere, true Immortality is beyond the power of your exaltation to grant in this state and mages do not even use quintessence in this universe that is just essence which can with great effort be used in ritual, by people who know a lot more than Harry does. Nephilim would thus be making another exaltation which you cannot do.
No it isnt. It really isnt. Much lower-powered.
In the context of the Dresdenverse, being Nephilim is being a upper-tier scion.
Part-human with a powerful nonhuman parent.

Think Vlad Tsepesh/Dracula, son of Vlad Drakul, whose father is something other embodied in a human body.
Or Goodman Grey, whose father was a naagloshii. Or Irwin Pounder whose father is a Bigfoot, and who has so much lifeforce he's dating a White Court vampire who drains him without it having any effect, and could be a wizard if he cared.

Lucius Glau the lawyer was allegedly part djinn as well, and got killed during Splattercon by one of the phobophages.
Hell, Kincaid is one as well.
Literally hell; he's son of a demon and a human. Thats presumably why he's called the Hound of Hell.

Whether Molly can bestow the merit is really a game balance question for you to decide.

But bestowing the benefits of partial ancestry should be within the thematic bailiwick of Solaroids.
Not necessarily easily, mind; a Solar for example, might well need samples of the target creatures Essence/DNA, and Medicine or Craft rolls with appropriate charms.

Something like that would be a subplot/questline rather than just an activate Charm thing.
I gotta say this as a personal statement but if my friend started saying things like 'don't worry I'm here for you' and 'we'll find a charity or I'll give you money' over and over again my response would probably be 'shut the fuck up, I don't need any charity or your money and shut up with the I'll be here for you bullshit, the more you say it the less reassuring it sounds and it didn't sound reassuring to begin with'

Though some of it stems from the fact that I live in the uk and the nhs takes care of hospital stays, a lot of what we're saying sounds very overbearing, I imagine she's been through some trauma so she'd probably want to avoid relying on others because she'd feel more in control when independent, we should absolutely ask her to go to therapy though we can't force her and that's going to cost money also. So we should start a company or something and hire her instead of just giving her the money to avoid her feeling indebted to us and I'm just going to say it, as she is I don't think she should take care of the baby not with everything else on her plate. As stated this is my personal opinion and I don't want to start a long argument about it because it's nearly 1 am.
Given the number of pregnant single teenagers who believe their partners telling them this, I think you underestimate how reassuring and powerful it is.

Besides, your friend would not be an Exalt saying this with the benefit of an Excellency boosting already above-average social stats to levels of superhuman persuasiveness.
That really hits different.
 
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Your overthinking it.

Were not solving anything now. Trying is a waste of time and breath. This is a problem that will take time and consideration to solve. It would take it even with Verdant Emptiness Endowment.

As much as I find the long rambling meaningless nothing distasteful, both votes provide what she needs and is looking for right now. Support.

As for AP, think of as an investment. Many people explicitly want her as a minion. That we have an existing good relationship with her is already appealing.

And any minion we could pick up would take management. Creatures of darkness, warlocks, cursed beings...
You're under thinking it; Rosie faces a lot of challenges that she'll need some serious support to get through, even without the addiction.

Her parents are also involved, which means we need to manage them. Because they should have an idea of what safely carrying a child to term costs, and if the money just appears they're going to get suspicious. Especially because they know their daughter was using heroin, and can't possibly be aware that her addiction was replaced with a magically induced neurosis. Inexplicable money screams that she's doing something shady in that context.

From what I can see Molly helping her in a way that's safe for both of them would basically amount to Molly getting an apartment and convincing Rosie to be her roommate. Then she could use dirty money more freely and mask how much cash is moving around from other interested parties more easily.

It'd also mean she'd be available to assist with all the things a young mother who hasn't even figured out how to take care of herself yet will need help with.

I mean, we're talking about a kid who hasn't even had to pay her own bills yet, manage a schedule more complicated than a summer job, or any other basic day to day life stuff as an adult. Who also has to go through a scary and life changing bodily process while navigating the American healthcare system herself for the first time. It's going to be a fraught process, and will probably only get worse when she actually has the kid.

If she had an accidental pregnancy at thirty Rosie could probably handle all this just fine, but she's not even old enough to drink yet.

To be blunt; she and her boyfriend couldn't even work out the logistics of condoms, her mom is probably right to tell her to give up the baby.

From a game perspective do we really want to get involved in all of that? Do we even have the dice pool to deal with insurance paperwork without setting it on fire?


Though some of it stems from the fact that I live in the uk and the nhs takes care of hospital stays
From what I can find online for this, just the part where you go to the hospital to deliver the baby can run around $11,000 or so assuming nothing goes wrong. Taking an ambulance can slap $1,000+ onto that, and we haven't even gotten into all the media care she'll need till then. Or any of the stuff her kid will need after they're born. Total costs leading up to day one with your new baby can apparently hit $22,000 when all's said and done. That's with insurance too.

Good fucking luck paying that off at minimum wage while feeding yourself and your new kid.

Which she might have to try if her parents go through with their threat to force compliance. Heaven help her if they freeze her access to their insurance, cause then those numbers get worse and everything else gets more complicated.

Maybe it's a little overbearing, but with the looming threat of a healthcare debt trap I'd think it'd also be comforting to hear.

Seriously; werewolves may have DR/Silver, but over here in the US we've all got DR/Medical Debt. That shit is scary.
 
You're under thinking it; Rosie faces a lot of challenges that she'll need some serious support to get through, even without the addiction.

Her parents are also involved, which means we need to manage them. Because they should have an idea of what safely carrying a child to term costs, and if the money just appears they're going to get suspicious. Especially because they know their daughter was using heroin, and can't possibly be aware that her addiction was replaced with a magically induced neurosis. Inexplicable money screams that she's doing something shady in that context.

From what I can see Molly helping her in a way that's safe for both of them would basically amount to Molly getting an apartment and convincing Rosie to be her roommate. Then she could use dirty money more freely and mask how much cash is moving around from other interested parties more easily.

It'd also mean she'd be available to assist with all the things a young mother who hasn't even figured out how to take care of herself yet will need help with.

I mean, we're talking about a kid who hasn't even had to pay her own bills yet, manage a schedule more complicated than a summer job, or any other basic day to day life stuff as an adult. Who also has to go through a scary and life changing bodily process while navigating the American healthcare system herself for the first time. It's going to be a fraught process, and will probably only get worse when she actually has the kid.

If she had an accidental pregnancy at thirty Rosie could probably handle all this just fine, but she's not even old enough to drink yet.

To be blunt; she and her boyfriend couldn't even work out the logistics of condoms, her mom is probably right to tell her to give up the baby.

From a game perspective do we really want to get involved in all of that? Do we even have the dice pool to deal with insurance paperwork without setting it on fire?



From what I can find online for this, just the part where you go to the hospital to deliver the baby can run around $11,000 or so assuming nothing goes wrong. Taking an ambulance can slap $1,000+ onto that, and we haven't even gotten into all the media care she'll need till then. Or any of the stuff her kid will need after they're born. Total costs leading up to day one with your new baby can apparently hit $22,000 when all's said and done. That's with insurance too.

Good fucking luck paying that off at minimum wage while feeding yourself and your new kid.

Which she might have to try if her parents go through with their threat to force compliance. Heaven help her if they freeze her access to their insurance, cause then those numbers get worse and everything else gets more complicated.

Maybe it's a little overbearing, but with the looming threat of a healthcare debt trap I'd think it'd also be comforting to hear.

Seriously; werewolves may have DR/Silver, but over here in the US we've all got DR/Medical Debt. That shit is scary.
In fairness by the time it matters the excuse I'm rich and I don't want my friend to suffer is enough. We have an absurd amount of ways to make money.
 
[X] First, she is going to focus on getting better.
-[X] Second, you're going to research the shit out of every charity and possible aid she can get. There are things out there, and you're part of a church that likely has plenty of connections for that.
-[X] Third, you are here for her. If all else fails, you will find ways to help and support her, and you can do a lot.
-[X] Ultimately though, she has to remember that you're here for her. You are not going to demand she rely on you. If she needs something you can help, but you also want to help her get better and have a brighter future where she can be independent on her own.
 
I'm going to note that Rosie's mother is pushing for adoption, not abortion. And she's only a few months pregnant. No extra support is needed until the baby is born in several months, and that amount of time is practically an eternity from the perspective of how long it takes for a baby Exalt to ramp up. Especially with summer vacation coming up in a week or two making room for us to get into plenty of supernatural shenanigans.
 
In fairness by the time it matters the excuse I'm rich and I don't want my friend to suffer is enough. We have an absurd amount of ways to make money.
The problem isn't really making the money necessarily, it's spending it while someone is interested in our business.

It's easier to just avoid it and misrepresented how much cash is actually available when her parents try to figure out if she's getting "help"from whoever she was getting heroin from or something.
 
The problem isn't really making the money necessarily, it's spending it while someone is interested in our business.

It's easier to just avoid it and misrepresented how much cash is actually available when her parents try to figure out if she's getting "help"from whoever she was getting heroin from or something.
meh firmly these kind of sound like excuses not to get involved and molly cares going through some effort for friends IS worth it. Also if we do the lottery option we can literally show the proof we got from a lottery or if we're making cash for other things then show that. Also your talking about someone with supernatural charisma there's exalted bullshit where you can convince someone to happily murder their child for you.
 
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meh firmly these kind of sound like excuses not to get involved and molly cares going through some effort for friends IS worth it. Also if we do the lottery option we can literally show the proof we got from a lottery or if we're making cash for other things then show that. Also your talking about someone with supernatural charisma there's exalted bullshit where you can convince someone to happily murder their child for you.
The first problem we cant easily solve with a days liberal application of melee excellency has them quaking in their boots.
 
Like some are basically arguing to not care what happens to friend when we have so many options at worst we're gonna get some snoopy parents from this.
 
From a game perspective do we really want to get involved in all of that? Do we even have the dice pool to deal with insurance paperwork without setting it on fire?
Absolutely not, but we need a reason to get off our ass and start doing things. We can get money, buisness contacts, and minions. We need and should have those things.

A responsibility is a great motivator.

And while people aren't going to want to hear it. The white council has been checking up on her, and might not be opposed to providing aid.

Our father as well has dealt with situations like this a lot. Our mother isnt the only person he rescued from a terrible situation. He has likely had to deal with the aftermath of defeating the big bad amd helping resettle people and get their lives back together dozens of times.

Or more likely he has friends and allies who can do that in the church or in heaven.
 
The first problem we cant easily solve with a days liberal application of melee excellency has them quaking in their boots.
Excuse me, Melee Excellency CAN deal with any problem.

Some people just don't want to do it that way for some reason, smh.

Looting the underground and vampires is good money.

Sadly we're still grounded and can't go on a hunting spree.

Edit: I am pretty sure at least most Red Court have cash.
 
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Excuse me, Melee Excellency CAN deal with any problem.

Some people just don't want to do it that way for some reason, smh.

Looting the underground and vampires is good money.

Sadly we're still grounded and can't go on a hunting spree.

Edit: I am pretty sure at least most Red Court have cash.
red court definitely has multiple billionaires and many millionaires.
 
[X] First, she is going to focus on getting better.
-[X] Second, you're going to research the shit out of every charity and possible aid she can get. There are things out there, and you're part of a church that likely has plenty of connections for that.
-[X] Third, you are here for her. If all else fails, you will find ways to help and support her, and you can do a lot.
-[X] Ultimately though, she has to remember that you're here for her. You are not going to demand she rely on you. If she needs something you can help, but you also want to help her get better and have a brighter future where she can be independent on her own.
 
Excuse me, Melee Excellency CAN deal with any problem.

Some people just don't want to do it that way for some reason, smh.

Looting the underground and vampires is good money.

Sadly we're still grounded and can't go on a hunting spree.

Edit: I am pretty sure at least most Red Court have cash.
Aye I'd vote for that. Absolutely.

Knock over a few drug dens...
 
meh firmly these kind of sound like excuses not to get involved and molly cares going through some effort for friends IS worth it. Also if we do the lottery option we can literally show the proof we got from a lottery or if we're making cash for other things then show that. Also your talking about someone with supernatural charisma there's exalted bullshit where you can convince someone to happily murder their child for you.
Excuses nothing; I was just laying out the problem involved and what's likely needed to actually deal with the problem. This isn't some effort, it's a very involved thing to become a part of even beyond the money.

The lottery and hyper charisma partially solve maybe a third of the complications here.
The first problem we cant easily solve with a days liberal application of melee excellency has them quaking in their boots.

Absolutely not, but we need a reason to get off our ass and start doing things. We can get money, buisness contacts, and minions. We need and should have those things.

A responsibility is a great motivator.

And while people aren't going to want to hear it. The white council has been checking up on her, and might not be opposed to providing aid.

Our father as well has dealt with situations like this a lot. Our mother isnt the only person he rescued from a terrible situation. He has likely had to deal with the aftermath of defeating the big bad amd helping resettle people and get their lives back together dozens of times.

Or more likely he has friends and allies who can do that in the church or in heaven.

This is a Dresden files exalted crossover, even leaving the violence out of it there's a lot of engaging stuff to do that doesn't involve living out a soap opera.

Further, on a practical level, getting raised like this probably won't be good for the child. It's the sort of thing that makes someone feel very small to realize, but Rosie is probably in the lower half of the options available for her own kid in terms of parents.

It sucks, but that's teenage pregnancy for you.

Enabling her for the sake of same fuzzies and to manufacture motive for things we're going to do anyway is a bad plan from an IC consequence perspective.
 
Further, on a practical level, getting raised like this probably won't be good for the child. It's the sort of thing that makes someone feel very small to realize, but Rosie is probably in the lower half of the options
I think you have a lot of confidence in the american welfare system. Confidence which is unwarranted.

Especially if she is willing to try and turn her life around. Which some people are after almost dying.

Plenty arent. But some are. We put her in here, and she is our friend. It's not doing her a favor to abandon her, or tell her to pull herself up by her bootstraps because it's her fault she was weak enough to get addicted to heroin and then mind raped into a coma by her close friend.

Enabling her for the sake of same fuzzies and to manufacture motive for things we're going to do anyway is a bad plan from an IC consequence perspective.
Enabling is a very telling choice of word. Trying to imply shes gonna go out and get more heroin when we give her money?

Though I imagine you would say that explicitly. In spite of DP having told us she isnt addicted to it anymore. Whole new kind of brain damage.
 
Did the Black Magic actually remove her addiction now that I think about it?

Or only added that Intimacy of Terror about Addiction ontop of it?

It would be weird, but not unthinkable so I am asking.
 
realistically I want to do more humanitarian stuff than just helping our friend this is a baby steps thing for me. Also realistically her parents just aren't a problem for us there are so many ways to reasonably deal with it and just let them confront us than confront them. Also the fact her lifes not gonna get better without help it simply isn't and the american fostercare stuff is often a place of nightmares for those who aren't lucky especially in this setting.

Also if you think of it as handouts or something just give her a job when shes older there are plenty of even mundane things we could use help with.
 
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Did the Black Magic actually remove her addiction now that I think about it?

Or only added that Intimacy of Terror about Addiction ontop of it?

It would be weird, but not unthinkable so I am asking.
shes not. He called iiiittttt.... something I cant remember.

Small note here, she isn't a drug addict anymore because of the Black Magic, it hijacked her brain so now, instead of wanting a high that mental loop leads right to pure terror. Harry did that he could to make the reaction less extreme, but he could not remove it without doing Black Magic of his own so right now mechanically speaking Rosie has a derangement called Terror of Addiction.
 
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