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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Jack vile Ripper said:
One dot actually, which means that they will perceive us as the mud staining their sandals, not a threat that must be addressed much, if at all—yet.

But knowing Fey, oh yes, Vengeance will surely come in whatever petty way and means their cold heart may conjure.
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Lets be honest, fey would happily remove the skin of everyone who has ever smiled at you just for the sin of tracking mud onto their carpet. It being a low enemy value just means they won't go particularly far out of their way to do it but, well, they don't exactly value the time of their subordinates very much either.


Chances are we are weird enough that most of the mortal figures who would take our head would be arguing for a while. Things with as little precedent as us... you want to at least know what they are before you kill them because you don't necessarily know if they die when you kill them. Or other such nonsense. It might not save us but it might give us a slight reprieve.
 
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[X] Wait for Harry to contact his old master than talk to him, maybe you can work this out

I'm gonna risk this, if only to remove potential problem hovering over us like the metaphorical sword of Damocles (not the literal one).
 
Hmm, should we solve this problem now before it starts spiraling out of control—or do we wait until we have enough cards to bargain with the White Council.

Also, 'White Council'? Really? What an utterly boring naming convention. If it doesn't have more than 4 words describing its august glory, it shouldn't be deserving of consideration.

Next time we try to name an organization to represent our Kingdom, let them have no less than 5 names. For Five is a sacred number and it is more pleasant to the ears than 2 or 4.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Hmm, should we solve this problem now before it starts spiraling out of control—or do we wait until we have enough cards to bargain with the White Council.

Also, 'White Council'? Really? What an utterly boring naming convention. If it doesn't have more than 4 words describing its august glory, it shouldn't be deserving of consideration.

Next time we try to name an organization to represent our Kingdom, let them have no less than 5 names. For Five is a sacred number and it is more pleasant to the ears than 2 or 4.
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This Universe also includes such gems of naming as
  • The Black Council: Evil wizards who infiltrated the White Council
  • The Grey Council: The name for the future organization of wizards whose purpose is to deal with the above mentioned infiltration
  • The Red Court: Bat Vampires that feed on blood
  • The Black Court: Undead Vampires
  • The White Court: Emotion eating vampires
  • The Winter Court: Fey, you met them
  • The Summer Court:... guess
:V
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Hmm, should we solve this problem now before it starts spiraling out of control—or do we wait until we have enough cards to bargain with the White Council.

Also, 'White Council'? Really? What an utterly boring naming convention. If it doesn't have more than 4 words describing its august glory, it shouldn't be deserving of consideration.

Next time we try to name an organization to represent our Kingdom, let them have no less than 5 names. For Five is a sacred number and it is more pleasant to the ears than 2 or 4.
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IIRC, it started out as The Council of the Wise before eventually being shorted to the White Council. I think it might officially still be the Council of the Wise?
 
DragonParadox said:
This Universe also includes such gems of naming as
  • The Black Council: Evil wizards who infiltrated the White Council
  • The Grey Council: The name for the future organization of wizards whose purpose is to deal with the above mentioned infiltration
  • The Red Court: Bat Vampires that feed on blood
  • The Black Court: Undead Vampires
  • The White Court: Emotion eating vampires
  • The Winter Court: Fey, you met them
  • The Summer Court:... guess
:V
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Goldfish said:
IIRC, it started out as The Council of the Wise before eventually being shorted to the White Council. I think it might officially still be the Council of the Wise?
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...the Pattern Spiders must be truly extinct that they couldn't ban such brutally austere and uncreative epithets for these organizations.

I take it back, Dresden verse is worse than World of Darkness. 'Tis a silly place.
 
It should probably be noted that we read the books from Harry's PoV so while it is fair to assume that the White Council is actually properly called that all the others might just be what the wizards call them. I don't imagine that megalomaniac creatures of the night like Red King are fine being called that.
 
[X] Go home, you have nothing to do with the White Council

Don't really see a reason why we need to go to the White Council.

It was explicitly spelled out that they would have reason try to kill us and us not going means we can hopefully be enough of a bother to kill by the time they put 2 and 2 together.
 
DragonParadox said:
It should probably be noted that we read the books from Harry's PoV so while it is fair to assume that the White Council is actually properly called that all the others might just be what the wizards call them. I don't imagine that megalomaniac creatures of the night like Red King are fine being called that.
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Wasn't it canon that the bloodier Mesoamerican pantheons were actually the red court in a rubber mask all along?

They probably have some silly name playing in their alleged divine status.
 
[X] Go home, you have nothing to do with the White Council

Thinking about it, the closest thing in Exalted that would fit the White God is the Unconquered Sun in his original form.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Wasn't it canon that the bloodier Mesoamerican pantheons were actually the red court in a rubber mask all along?
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In the modern age, yes. Its implied (and all but stated in the RPG books), that originally there were some somewhat powerful spirits worshipped in that area, but the red court usurped them during their rise to power millenia ago, mostly though massively outnumbering them, and then sealed them and fed of their power, which gave the Red King and the night lords their semi-divine abilities.

But during most of recorded history it was the red court, yes, only with some stolen power from older spirits.


One thing were forgetting in regards to the white council is the gate keeper. he was the one to point harry at black magic in Chicago, and he can somewhat genuinely see the future. So he may well know a lot more than wed like. Whether he would tell anyone is less than certain, but hes mysterious and has his own goals, and depending on how exalted could potentially relate to outsider stuff, could be subtly helpful or our worst enemy.

[X] Wait for Harry to contact his old master than talk to him, maybe you can work this out
 
IIRC, the big kahunas of the Red Court are properly called the Lords of Outer Night or somesuch.

As far as the character sheet goes, stats are on a strict 1-5 linear scale.

0 dots - You are completely untrained in this ability. You generally can't have attributes at zero other than Appearance, because if you are Strength 0, you are unable to lift your own limbs. Having an ability at zero just means you have no experience or knowledge of it at all beyond basic cultural osmosis.

1 dot - you are a beginner at this ability, but you have a solid grasp of the basics. Attributes at 1 are notably below average.

2 dots - you are comfortably well-trained or knoweldgable and able to operate at a professional capacity in this ability. You can be a professional driver at Drive 2 and not be bad at it. You're just solidly middle-of-the-pack. Attributes at 2 are just completely average, nothing particularly noteworthy.

3 dots - You are noteworthy. Abilities at this level are noticably above average. You're now at the head of the pack. Attributes at 3 are when people start to notice you for them.

4 dots - World-class expert in your field. You are one of the best in the world at your ability, or are noted to be one of the strongest or smartest or whatever people in the world.

5 dots - This is the cap for mortal achievement. The absolute peak of human potential absent magic or Essence. Abilities at 5 put you as one of, if not the, best not just in the world but in history. Attributes at 5 are record-shattering achievements. At Strength 5, you are not only possibly the strongest person on Earth, you are one of the strongest mundane people to ever exist.

ETA: You can go above 5 dots through various means, but a 6+ in any Attribute or Ability is completely superhuman and usually only achievable by supernatural beings.
 
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One thing you guys might want to keep in mind is that with the White Council in town like there is a literal gathering of dozens of top level human practitioners in Chicago there are going to be a lot of people looking into odd occurrences in the city... like the fact that Splattercon!!! got attacked by fetches.It's not even that Wardens are going to look into it but like people are going to look into that stuff out of sheer curiosity and from there it is not far to Rosanne who is blatantly a victim of Black Magic if you look at her with the Sight or touch her mind (for the more risk inclined). Once you have a victim the Wardens have a case.

Of course without the advantage of following the fetches since those are dead one cannot simply do what Dresden did, but like Rosane did not have many friends and you are one of them
 
BigBad said:
ETA: You can go above 5 dots through various means, but a 6+ in any Attribute or Ability is completely superhuman and usually only achievable by supernatural beings
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Abyssal Exalted are the only type of Exalted that can raise their Attributes up to 6, this is done by one of their merits.

Honestly, if it were ANY other Attributes besides Appearance then it'd be pretty powerful alright. But since Appearance is only usable for Seduction (there is only ONE mention of Rolling using Appearance in Dark Ages 20th Anniversary) and since it can't grant us MDV (Defense Values not existing in ExWoD mechanics), it is utterly useless and could never be rolled (I've scoured the ENTIRE 2.5 Exalted Books for any mention of using Appearance in a Roll besides as a Lunar or an Alchemical, and I haven't found a single use for it).
 
Shifting back to the topic of charm buys for a second, since I was just looking at the char sheet. Should our first major defensive buy be

soul-sieve transmutation (•••)
The Infernal contemptuously walks through or
past attacks which should have struck her, shedding only a rain of writhing demon maggots instead of her precious blood.
System: So long as she's aware of an attack, the Infernal may soak with the highest of her Charisma, Leadership, Intimidation, or Occult ratings rather than Stamina, if she desires. If her Stamina rating is equal to or higher than all of the alternative traits of- fered by this Charm, then she adds one die to all soak rolls against attacks she's aware of.
After successfully soaking all of the damage of a close-range attack, the Infernal may reflexively shower her attacker with demon maggots, increasing the diffi- culty of all of their actions by +2 until they spend an entire turn knocking off the writhing worms that seek to chew upon their flesh and clog their eyes and ears. She also lowers the difficulty of all attacks and Intimidate rolls against someone beset by her maggots by one.
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It doesn't have the same level of protection as a few of the other options, but it's cheaper than the brass abrasion one by a dot and doesn't have the essence cost of either the others do.

If I'm reading it right, we'd get to use our five dot occult in place of stamina for any attack we are aware of and get a free melee retaliation effect for a cost of 12 exp. Getting the stamina dots alone would otherwise be something like 28 exp.

In cases like our shintai where stamina gets buffed it converts to an extra die, so we still get something for it later on.

Constant cost free protection sound better at this stage than low use evades that draw on our limited essence pool.


Also, quick question @DragonParadox : if we took this charm, could we stack it with our excellency booster when soaking with a key skill? So that we could either have the equivalent of stamina five via occult or spend Essence to briefly boost it to something silly?
 
Alchemicals can also go above 5. And Exalts aren't the only powerful beings out there. Changelings, Faeries, Werewolves, Vampires, etc. All can hit superhuman levels in certain stats. You think Thomas can't push his Dex to 6 when he's going all-out?
 
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