Kingdom of God: A Quest of Holy Revolution

[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
This is a hard choice... we have allies and potential power bases both in the old orders and new. But I fear becoming the stuck-up nail in Navichan itself with no army to back it up.

[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
[X] Direct our attention to expanding the new order, and keeping pious those who purport to defend freedom. [Improved relations with Makabam, Kedesh, the Sailors Karaban, and Ma'on. Preferred option of Gunpowder Eucharist and Ravs of Labour].

Curious that Makabam, the Iconoclast sect that you'd think would want to free the serfs ASAP, is on the other side. And interesting that Kedesh and the Sanhedron are on opposite sides here.
 
[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
[X] Direct our attention to expanding the new order, and keeping pious those who purport to defend freedom. [Improved relations with Makabam, Kedesh, the Sailors Karaban, and Ma'on. Preferred option of Gunpowder Eucharist and Ravs of Labour].
 
[X] Direct our attention to expanding the new order, and keeping pious those who purport to defend freedom. [Improved relations with Makabam, Kedesh, the Sailors Karaban, and Ma'on. Preferred option of Gunpowder Eucharist and Ravs of Labour].
 
[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
Very difficult choice...

[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
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If people are curious, next turn is when you will be able to start taking stock and consolidating your gains as a movement and start doing some new fun stuff.

I will leave this vote open for a while as I improve some of the informational posts like updating the compendium.
 
Ataman Burs nods once, and approaches Beselsevi. "Do you feel strong?"


[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
No rest until Free Silver is achieved!
 
Adhoc vote count started by Nerdorama on May 26, 2022 at 10:01 AM, finished with 55 posts and 45 votes.


Wanted to check where we're at right now and thought I'd post. It's pretty close all things considered.
 
[X] Direct our attention to expanding the new order, and keeping pious those who purport to defend freedom. [Improved relations with Makabam, Kedesh, the Sailors Karaban, and Ma'on. Preferred option of Gunpowder Eucharist and Ravs of Labour].

Let's keep our tempo going & try to control the navy!
 
Okay so I've just read this entire quest and it is absolutely amazing.

Anyway it is 1am and I'm not here to think so I shall simply press the button affiliated with the cool punchmans. (Praise be to the most holy art of the Angelform, amen.)

[X] Direct our attention to expanding the new order, and keeping pious those who purport to defend freedom. [Improved relations with Makabam, Kedesh, the Sailors Karaban, and Ma'on. Preferred option of Gunpowder Eucharist and Ravs of Labour].
 
So while I voted for the first option I've been thinking this over and trying to analyze the options.

Option 1 I think should be viewed as us shoring up our current gains - making sure the Sanhedron and the reformist Patriarch are stable, helping Melecha, As Hahayiim, Ohr, and Yam Soph keep their positions in the government, strengthening the Mass Jury, etc.

Option 2 then is pushing the envelope and going more radical. Makabam and Kedesh have policy ambitions that go beyond the Midnight Bull and the Sailors Karaban could go really radical if we push them.

From that point of view there's a very strong case to be made that we need to push the envelope - Kardon Hadi over in Kedesh probably wants to abolish serfdom and so do we, no idea what Oshana's agenda is but it probably goes past just nuking the guild system, etc.

And there is absolutely a fear of getting too comfortable and invested in the new status quo and becoming entrenched, although keep in mind we can absolutely switch later and don't need to fear alienating one group or the other by our actions.

And at the same time there is a fear that the old order could come back. We need the Sanhedron to stay radical, we want the Mass Jury to be an effective fighting force that can defend the revolution, and depending on your sympathies we also want to help the ambitions of Melecha and As Hahayiim to come to fruition, something that is still uncertain. There's always the chance for a rollback of progress or a return of conservatism or even a more organized and effective reaction, unless we're vigilant.
 
Sisters and brothers! Comrades in faith! We who have carried through flame and thunder, not for our own sake, but for God and the Kingdom to come! Listen, please, to this prayer!

Great and magnificent are the rewards of true faith, and to behold them is to see the strength of God. Where are those who invoked the Rites in falsity? Where are those who stood in the path of Prophet and cloaked their evil in the veils of orthodoxy? Where are those who raised their hands in prayer, even though they were caked in the blood of God's own? We know and see: they are obliterated. Great and magnificent are the rewards of true faith!

But let us not be mistaken, and let us not be misled: a miracle is divine, but is not a gift to be taken and hoarded. It is not a treasure we can hold in the coffers of our work. A miracle is the fruit that grows in the orchard of rite and prayer, of piety and of hope. A miracle is an act of grace, and a challenge to us all to tend to it, for the work of faith is not a lightning that strikes from an open sky, and a thunder that rings once and then is silent.

We have tended to this orchard together, arm in arm against evil, arm in arm for the sake of justice and the Kingdom to come. They have said: you plant on a barren soil! But with nothing but faith, we dug in, until under the rubble and ruin of our past, we have found fertile soil and planted the roots of miracle there. Why have we done it? For God, and for each other, for all who have been banished and exiled, for all who have been left out of the house of orthodoxy and branded a schismatic, a witch, a woman, a rebel. We toiled with them, and we toiled as them, and we were rewarded.

I pray that we remember the doctrine to which we all adhere, which is in the sayings of Guru Myriam: that the world will take on its true shape only once we have changed it already. Some of you may think that this is the demand to reach always for more, and with militant piety march against all that is evil, no matter how far it rests, and what we leave behind. But even if we cut off all the heads of the evil's hydra now, they will all surely grow back three-fold. The Kingdom to come will not be declared from the Heavenly Mount, nor will it be sealed by the Patriarch's bull. The true shape of the world will not be writ in flame and ruin of the old. No, I tell you this: it will come from change that is real, and that is small, as small as the seeds of faith we have planted in the unlikeliest soil. From it, it grows, and we already see it bloom and reward us with miracles. Us, the discarded children of God, the banished and the schismatic. I tell you this: the Kingdom to come is here right now, in our rite and prayer. It is in the Gunpowder Eucharist, and in the hymns of the Ravs of Labor. It is in the angelforms of Ma'On, and in the work-litanies of sailors who raised against evil and saw who their true kin is. The Kingdom to come is the miracle of our orchard, small now, but growing with each soul sheltered. And the Kingdom places a demand on us that we tend to it, and to each other.

I pray that we remember that, and that we tend to what we have planted. Let us not march with the mighty of the world: they will march themselves. Let us take care of the Kingdom to come as it grows, not expect it to be given in a flash. Great and magnificent are the rewards of true faith, but great still is the humble work that makes them grow.

[X] Direct our attention to expanding the new order, and keeping pious those who purport to defend freedom. [Improved relations with Makabam, Kedesh, the Sailors Karaban, and Ma'on. Preferred option of Gunpowder Eucharist and Ravs of Labour].
 
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[X] Direct our attention to expanding the new order, and keeping pious those who purport to defend freedom. [Improved relations with Makabam, Kedesh, the Sailors Karaban, and Ma'on. Preferred option of Gunpowder Eucharist and Ravs of Labour].
 
[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].

I think we will get more power and reputation fighting the old order first, which we can then use to shape the new order from a better position. It's not the kind of thing where early focus stands above all.
 
For me it also a question of continuity and natural development of our sect. We decided to trust the institutions of Sanhedron +Patriarch and not to be ultraradicals a while back and as its stands now that trust was not missplaced. Its honestly a little confusing to me that people now want to pivot to the ultraradical position when there is absolutely nothing that would justify such a pivot. I get that people might prefer the connections of the ultraradical option but its kinda...not the path we chose tbqh and I say that as someone that was a fairly vocal supporter of ultraradical positions.

Furthermore it seems pretty risky to me, to immediately pressure a fragile new order that, so far, has been willing to commit to radical social reform. By this point I'm fairly convinced that the Patriarch is opposed to serfdom and that we can get an anti-serfdom majority in the Sanhedron. Confronting the Southern planter high priesthood is going to be tough and we are absolutely going to need the Mass Jury and patriarchal backing for that. And the South really isn't my only worry. Origination is heavily wounded but not dead and I don't think I have to mention all the other problems. The biggest of which is the wildcard that Burs presents. He is now a de-facto warlord that controls quite a bit of land, wealth and commands a fairly large army that seems to be personally devoted to him.

Undermining what we have achieved so far when we can reach our current main goal of abolishing oblate serfdom by working with the Patriach and Sanhedron seems pretty risky to me.
 
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[X] Direct our attention to undermining the old order, and reaching out to those still under its unholy yoke [Improved relations with the sects of Ohr, Melecha, As Hahayiim, Yam Soph, and the figures of Sarbadgar, the Patriarch and the Sanhedron. Preferred option of Scourge of God].
 
For me it also a question of continuity and natural development of our sect. We decided to trust the institutions of Sanhedron +Patriarch and not to be ultraradicals a while back and as its stands now that trust was not missplaced. Its honestly a little confusing to me that people now want to pivot to the ultraradical position when there is absolutely nothing that would justify such a pivot. I get that people might prefer the connections of the ultraradical option but its kinda...not the path we chose tbqh and I say that as someone that was a fairly vocal supporter of ultraradical positions.

Furthermore it seems pretty risky to me, to immediately pressure a fragile new order that, so far, has been willing to commit to radical social reform. By this point I'm fairly convinced that the Patriarch is opposed to serfdom and that we can get an anti-serfdom majority in the Sanhedron. Confronting the Southern planter high priesthood is going to be tough and we are absolutely going to need the Mass Jury and patriarchal backing for that. And the South really isn't my only worry. Origination is heavily wounded but not dead and I don't think I have to mention all the other problems. The biggest of which is the wildcard that Burs presents. He is now a de-facto warlord that controls quite a bit of land, wealth and commands a fairly large army that seems to be personally devoted to him.

Undermining what we have achieved so far when we can reach our current main goal of abolishing oblate serfdom by working with the Patriach and Sanhedron seems pretty risky to me.
The thing is that so far, every move by the Patriarch and his inner clique has been specifically to increase the power and reputation of the Patriarch and a circle of powerful warlords (two of which, unless I've misunderstood, are Santsarran's own sons, one of which is paraphrasing Batman villains, and the last of which is Actual Napoleon). He's using this for popular reforms, yes, and that means the people are on board with him purging the wealthy reactionaries that were previously using him as a puppet. I do not trust this big tent coalition of "everyone but the Originators" farther than I can throw it when everyone is dancing to the tune of the supreme leader and his extremely loose cannon warlord subordinates. Best case scenario, this is a Meiji situation where the de jure ruler coups the previous ruling clique and uses it to implement common sense modernization without upsetting the previous conservative culture. Worst case scenario, we're dealing with Church Kerensky.
 
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