There's always a chance of crit though, just like how crit on VAOPR that gave it extra +1 power (though in case of ultimate reactors I think we would most likely receive +HP and hulks).
However it's still a model that will most likely have highest chance of being destroyed (aside from Hails perhaps), and it's one of the most numerous as well. Even with -30% crew modifier any crew loss mitigation is wellcome.
What's it like to be a crewmember assigned to a Golem?
praying that there is not a major clash until you get promoted off it
With technology this advanced and therefore high DC I highly doubt that a crit is likely.
Well to be fair in Embers we can get a crit by rolling a nat2 if our bonuses are sufficiently large, so for some actions counting on a crit makes sense. For example Tranth's ship designing is almost guaranteed to give the most basic kind of a crit at least, and is even repeatable so if we consider it worth his time we could fish for Greater Crits. It even makes sense in universe I believe so it would not be munchkining.
If you're looking for Orichalcum Terminator Armor I'd direct you towards Tranth's section where I'm invested enough action years into it to complete it.
Alright.
Done.
I discussed it on Discord and it was decided that so long as we do it this turn that the action years can be shifted around a bit as Avernus is known for having weird tech development for a variety of reasons.
The wards are valuable considering they'd help seal breaches but I'd rate mass arcane fulcrum use as even more valuable considering the sheer bull shit we've seen fulcrums used for in the past. And, we've got WoG from Durin that the Eldar will implement the wards we don't unless we implement them in which case they'll layer additional wards on top something I noted in the post you're quoting.
Works for me.
I think that you are wrong, you have the Orichalcum ALLOY Power Armour, not the Terminator Armor
Right... Note to self don't ever write up a plan at like three in the morning. Well, that problem is fixed now, and we're doing one more year of research on conclave tech now.
I haven't seen any WoG on this in the QaA channel, and for this I would like one. Have asked.
We have access to just one Fulcrum to my knowledge, and have we even fortified it enough to hold it for long during an incursion? Seems that me that what this will do is free up Aria to Null Zone daemons rather than more or better Fulcrum action.
Though keep in mind that would also mean less benefit than that on bigger ships.
I don't think you get a net improvement there. Even if we set HP = Shields, and Durability = Damage, that would be 9.4% increase in HP+Shields /2 = 4.7%. But HP isn't worth as much as shields, and durability isn't worth as much as damage on a harasser. So it would be significantly lower. If you value shields twice as much as HP it's only a 5.9% increase in durability, and if you value weapons at twice durability that's a 2% increase in effectiveness.
This feels like a poor comparison since you were already shifting to a VAOPR model. You're clearly comparing this to the current Golem, instead of the Golem-A you had designed.
The Golem AU seems the best version to me. If we were going to make a Golem D it seems like we'd be better off using a VAOPR, which conveniently would also save us developing the UPR.
Durability is worth less on Harass, but I do tend to agree this is worth it in itself. But I'm not sure it's worth the Tranth time it would take to develop UOPR.
I don't really agree with the Gridarvol being worth it. There's no increase to its weapons, so even just a simple estimate will put that in the negatives.
I still think USP reactor makes more sense. You can drop OPS1 for it and get +40.5 HP for 12.75 shields, which is a very nice trade. That also gets you to +20% hulks. It still probably isn't worth it, but it's closer.
USPR for golem and stealth ships is my conclusion. UOPR would be useful for Hail, but probably not worth Tranth's time.
Golem crew needs are 4200, while our previous frigates had 5000. So it's only 16% relative to previous frigates. It appears without that trait crew needs would have been 20% higher than previous frigates. It's weird.
Conversely Enerael has been assuming the +++Hulks applies across the various sizes, while the statement of Durin only confirmed that the +HP% would be across the various sizes. So the higher power levels could actually be worse than our speculation. I've been content to assume that the +++Hulks applies because they need it, but if we're talking about possibility of things being different from speculation we need to also consider the possibility they'll be worse.
Fulcrums pop up all over during an incursion and with Avernus awake and mostly unchained for the coming incursion due to how dangerous it is don't be surprised when there's all the arcane fulcrums around for us to use and I'd note that the one arcane fulcrum we have is just the only arcane fulcrum that stayed around after the last incursion. Also, massive amounts of people can use any given fulcrum that's pretty much what the Lizardmen do to cast their best stuff so we're going to get far more "Fulcrum action" and it's going to be of much higher quality as well as we'll have a large number of people using them who can cast for example choir mass banishment empowered by a fulcrum.
Good point. I thought that the only refit I would do to Golem other than the Destroyer one would be to swap the Lance for DIs, but come to think of it that also involves swapping SWM for OPW 1, and with Slightly Depower Engines I would be adding that too. Gimme a min.
So -D and -AU variants? Yeah looks like the best option currently. Mind, I expect another buff to Ultimate Reactors still, they are only just barely useable now it seems.
Yeah it wouldn't I bet, its one ship, not that great an improvement, and very advanced technology so it should be high DC a take many Tranth years.
Gridarvols value lies almost entirely in its Psychic Cannon, the expense to keep it a bit safer is well worth it. See that UDB for example. Also the cannons cost should not be multiplied by +10% Cost/CP, that would make no sense to me.
Hm, good point, I saw either +20% base HP for +25% Shields and picked Shields. Silly of me, should have checked. I will probably go back and edit the post, but need sleep now.
Hm, OK then. Could another Telepathica hero do the warding instead though? It really seems rather important, and relying on Eldar to do it means them not making an additional ward of their own as I understand it.
We could have Rids do them if Aria fails her first fulcrum action but if she succeeds just have Rids do what he's doing now I guess.
I'm still hesitant to make the Destroyer Golem because it adds another ship type, and I really like our streamlined fleet. If you go that route though, I'd be very tempted to upgrade Zephyr to speed 8 instead of OPW2 or OPS2. That would let it harass even speed 6 ships. The only enemy ships that are speed 6 right now are Cobras. But you were expecting Chaos to get +1 speed on their ships from either rituals or tech improvements, which would make the rest of their escorts and light cruisers speed 6 as well. If that's a serious threat then speed 8 on raiders could be very valuable.
I don't. It took a lot of wheedling to get Durin to buff them as much as they have been, and I think he's generally fine with them being a niche product.
It would basically be investing Tranth years in improving the Hail, and probably a lot of them. Then we'd have to invest his time in updating the Hail for them since it would be a pretty major change. I don't think it reasonable to spend that much on improving the Hail. And if we were, I suspect that since it's just one ship we'd get better results by investing his time in just further refining the design rather than the broader effort of making a better reactor.
More Gridarvols (from lower cost/CP) means more Psychic Cannons. So CP increases have to be measured that way.
On Battleship+ the base HP and Shields are so radically different that just looking at the % is very deceptive.
so replacement cost is basically the same, build cost is 10% higher and combat power is around 2% higher.
the ultimate reactor does not increase the price of special weapons or ultra-dense armour, so the price increase for the Gridarvol is in effect +5% rather then +10%, and the replacement cost is -4.5%
| Ship Type | % of Cost that is CP |
| Earthquake Dreadnought | 73% |
| Hurricane Dreadnought | 76% |
| Twister Pocket Dreadnought | 74% |
| Inferno Pocket Dreadnought | 70% |
| Boulder Battleship | 73% |
| Black Ship | 86% |
| Gridarvol Grand Cruiser | 50% |
| Gridarvol-R Grand Cruiser | 83% |
| Gjallarhorn II Battlecruiser | 79% |
| Blaze Cruiser | 62% |
| Scorch Cruiser | 62% |
| Cloud Carrier | 65% |
| Fissure Cruiser | 63% |
| Hail Light Cruiser | 57% |
| Zephyr Raider | 63% |
| Golem Frigate | 62% |
| Military Transport | 88% |
Enerael said:
Also, I'd like to gauge how the voters feel about the below.Durin said:
Enerael was thinking it'd be best if we had a hero put up our daemonbane wards for sure instead of only if we get lucky as the case is with Aria now but this would mean taking Rids off of finding Chaos Undivided's frequency and not finding the warp echo for paper but in exchange, if Aria gets lucky she'd be able to do blank research as well. Do people want to make this trade or keep things as is?
Unusual for you to comment that something isn't worth it.
So you are actually breaking out individual systems for these price increases? I thought you weren't doing that because it was too complicated. If that is the case then yeah the Grindarvol deserves some more analysis. The current Grindarvol has a 55% hulk rate (50% base +10% UDB -5% VAO). That yields 0.55*.5 + .45 = .725
We pretty much have to speculate on what the result of unstarted research projects will be. Only by speculating what the results of research will be can we reasonably argue priorities on what to research. Anything with too low a priority just never gets researched. We've done that for literal real life years at this point. Unless you want to change how the quest works to always provide us what the research results will be with a stat line in advance, we pretty much have to continue to do so. Otherwise we'd be blindly picking research basically on nothing.
This is essentially the fiat price the Trust as the only available buyer is willing to pay. The issue is pretty much since we built the very first shipyard our shipyards have been running flat out. I don't believe we've ever paused production of warships because no one could afford the materials to build them. So the shipyard capacity (CP) is what ultimately limits our fleet size, rather than credit cost.
I like that trade.
yeah you have to speculate, but doing in-depth analysis based on assumptions is far far less reliable than you are making it seem
