La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)
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While correct, there is also the fact that every one of our political allies and our family (Biological and adoptive) is on the shit list of Robespierre, and if he could have it his way without causing a great deal of backlash and cause the entire army to just straight-up end the Republic, he'd kill them all.
Some of them, like Brian and Nappy for Legitimate Reasons and Treason Charges. Louis and Charlotte? To deny the royalists easy access to two of the most legitimate royals that are still in the country, that he can get to. Especially if he executes Louis while he's still excommunicated, and plays that up.
Others like Kellerman, and even Davout? For literally nothing more than their connections to the old nobility in any way.
Ney is a special case since everything he did was legitimate and what the Directory did was a crime against the army, but he'd imprison him so that he can give him a deal, and calm the army down.
He'd also make us resign our commission because we literally are the most popular general in France, and frankly, our history of disobeying and bending the orders we are given makes us seem politically unreliable for his government, regardless of the results we produce that are strategically and tactically valuable for the French State.
The fact that Almost every big-named officer was a marshal that he created also helped.
In terms of our political situation from other nations:
Robespierre taking power is literally the one thing in the British foreign office needed to more effectively isolate France from the rest of Europe.
His reputation, both for good and ill, as a radical and a fervent believer in the Revolution, will not make other heads of state happy, nor would they want to deal with France. and the Brits can use that to their advantage.
The thing about Robe right now gaining power, is that it was mostly legitimate.
Brian resigned and Robe took command before Nappy could seize power, in what could be considered a bloodless coup.
Robe is a revolutionary yes, but he's one of the smartest politicians of his era, even in some respects, better than Nappy.
I mean, you say that now, but Charlotte is a legal adult in France, and Louis is now a hardened killer, who's so willing to die for France that he wanted to kill himself to do it.
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So, in short: He was smart about it, but things will not go well for us, our Family and Allies, or for France if he remains in Power.
So, does that mean his Position is completely unassailable now?
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The British Foreign office sees Robe's rise to power as nothing shot as a total diplomatic win for them.
Thats how it is for France right now.
Cause, for all of Napoleon and Brian's failings... they were not so easily read, besides trying to be stabilizing elements in the government that was dysfunctional at best, failing at its duties at its worse.
no position is completely unassailable. if it were, we'd be resigning our commission then and there.
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Yeah, Robby needs to go.
Ironic. He's probably the most ardent believer in the Revolution and yet he cannot lead France without dooming said Revolution completely in the long run.
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It's the fact he is the most ardent believer in the revolution that makes the Foreign office see it as a win.
They can scare the rest of Europe into thinking he's about to export the revolution at three rounds a minute.
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Possibly.
Our actions in Sicily haven't helped in the matter.
And we even held back there. We could've completely taken everything from Ferdinand, yet we still left him with one Kingdom.
I guess if Britain - or any Nation, really - wants to paint someone or something and everything they do as an existential threat and others want to see that as an existential threat, there isn't much one can do against that.
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So... do we have any ideas that could help us weaken Robespierre's position and make it easier for us to remove him from power (and to justify said removal)? I have entertained the idea of trying to frame him as an agent of nation that is hostile to France, but I suspect that we are very unlikely to be able to pull that off...
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I've had enough of Rob. We're doing what should've happened long ago.
I've had enough of Rob. We're doing what should've happened long ago.
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Actually create a government that will have a peaceful transition of power, instead of having a coup, counter-coup and otherwise a new change of government enough times that we're changing socks?
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Hopefully, yes. All the while making sure Robby doesn't get any more Chances to screw France or us and our Family and Allies over again.
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It is time to rectify our mistake regarding the handling of Maximilien Robespierre. His misguided attempts at "saving" the French Republic end here and he will be brought to justice.
In hindsight, I'm SO glad we crit on Oratory. That +4 we got might come in handy real soon...
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Ok thank you for clarifying.
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One of the things that Cyber was against was trying to force something that would start the war of the second coalition early.
problem is, the political realities of the time, the British and French blood feud boiling over, and the fact that France is a step or two away from being a failed state in the modern terms has caused a great deal of rumbling in Europe.
whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, remains to be seen.
cause dear god we might have a civil war in France again.
and then welcome to the vineyards you British bastards!
problem is, the political realities of the time, the British and French blood feud boiling over, and the fact that France is a step or two away from being a failed state in the modern terms has caused a great deal of rumbling in Europe.
whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, remains to be seen.
cause dear god we might have a civil war in France again.
and then welcome to the vineyards you British bastards!
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Let's hope it doesn't come to that. It will be hard, but I think we can remove Robby without a Civil War.cause dear god we might have a civil war in France again.
Of course, if it DOES come to a Civil War, we're basically fucked. Because I don't doubt for a second that in that case, all the other European Powers will immediately move in to crush the Revolution and reinstall the Bourbons.
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If it comes to civil war we just focus on it and let Napoleon kick some foreign ass.
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Yes, but what happens when Napoleon comes back after cleaning up the mess left by Brian and Robbie if that comes to pass?
Robespierre will have been responsible for basically a second Terror, and the man Napoleon put all his faith in to manage the ship of state has been consumed by the same malaise that befell Louis XVI: Withdrawing from active participation in politics and problem solving.
And Napoleon will have proof that he was right all along.
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>''didnt they say the same thing like 3 coups ago?''
>''let them be happy,the poor bastard will get couped with the same speech in a year by his former allies too''
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It's not easy as it sounds as even if we win it would set us back quite a bit and we really don't have to fight rest of Europe when we have other cards to play.
Personally if it does come to civil war I'm thinking about installing Louis as a King , that way we have a reason to keep the other European power out of the way (at least in France, i expect them to try and regain ground in rest of Europe) and if British do try to pull out anything other powers who see Louis as rightful heir to the throne will keep them in check while we and Napoleon get to run things from behind the scenes.