La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

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[X]Plan Armée d'Orient

Didn't really involve myself with the planning for the army we have but this works well enough for us.
 
I think we need to discuss on how we plan to use these corps. Because if we plan to spread them out across Egypt and the Levant or use one to take Sicily or something then we need to look at their commanders.

Kléber is notorious for refusing independent commands, if we take him we'll need to attach ourself to his corps. Dumas is known for fair treatment and protection of civilians. And if we're giving Severin a corps we'll be promoting him from captain to general in one swoop.
 
Kléber is notorious for refusing independent commands, if we take him we'll need to attach ourself to his corps. Dumas is known for fair treatment and protection of civilians. And if we're giving Severin a corps we'll be promoting him from captain to general in one swoop.
hm... It's like you baptizing the man by fire...

And he might not make things better.
 
I think we need to discuss on how we plan to use these corps. Because if we plan to spread them out across Egypt and the Levant or use one to take Sicily or something then we need to look at their commanders.

Kléber is notorious for refusing independent commands, if we take him we'll need to attach ourself to his corps. Dumas is known for fair treatment and protection of civilians. And if we're giving Severin a corps we'll be promoting him from captain to general in one swoop.
I might be willing to swap out Berthier for Hoche but I don't know if that's allowed now that people voted
 
I don't think we should be splitting our forces.
Because if we plan to spread them out across Egypt and the Levant or use one to take Sicily or something then we need to look at their commanders.
If anything, this campaign should move in sequences, consolidating gains before moving on to the next stage. Whatever's going on in Northern Italy, we need to link up with that and hopefully hand off the administration of southern Italy to whatever government is taking place there. (Military, puppet republic, whatever).

I don't think we should step one foot into Egypt without at least securing the Islands of Sicily and Malta, and maybe even Crete.

Skipping steps means dead men, lost supplies, and overextension.

They've given us an incredibly long term assignment, we should make use of that. And if the Directory doesn't like it, then so be it. But we should avoid any screw-ups on our own account.
 
I don't think we should step one foot into Egypt without at least securing the Islands of Sicily and Malta, and maybe even Crete.
Or just... destroying the RN's Presence in the Mediterranean. :V
They've given us an incredibly long term assignment, we should make use of that. And if the Directory doesn't like it, then so be it. But we should avoid any screw-ups on our own account.
One problem.

Our final objective is India. A Faraway place on the ass-end of the world thousands of miles away.

You would have more luck taking North America... then India.

And the Directorate will expect results. Quickly.
 
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I might be willing to swap out Berthier for Hoche but I don't know if that's allowed now that people voted
Berthier is a fine commander even if he's more of an organizer. He's a good pick if you want a greater focus on the logistical side of things.

I just don't think it's a good idea to give Severin a promotion all the way to corps command at the moment.
 
Double post but whatever.
One problem.

Our final objective is India. A Faraway place on the ass-end of the world thousands of miles away.
A little armchair researching shows that it wasn't the Directory's plan to march on India, but Napoleon's. The Directory merely wanted to conquer Egypt for various reasons (colonial, commercial, influence in the near east, disrupt British trade, the whole Egypt craze, ect) mostly to threaten the British. But it was Napoleon who spun a tale of actually sending a corps worth of men over to India to support Tipu Sultan in attempt to drive the British from India.

If anything the Directory balked at the scope and the cost of the whole thing, but figured it was worth it as long as Napoleon was distracted with a new shiny idea.

So unless we really screwed the pooch, they shouldn't care as long as we take Egypt.
 
A little armchair researching shows that it wasn't the Directory's plan to march on India, but Napoleon's. The Directory merely wanted to conquer Egypt for various reasons (colonial, commercial, influence in the near east, disrupt British trade, the whole Egypt craze, ect) mostly to threaten the British. But it was Napoleon who spun a tale of actually sending a corps worth of men over to India to support Tipu Sultan in attempt to drive the British from India.
Well about that... Spun Tale:
Another swig of inebriating liquid goes down the man's throat before he passes it to you. "Actually, it is a stepping stone, a stopping point, so to speak… They want us to go to India, to attack British possessions there."
The Directorate wishes for us to go to India and do just that. It's not just Napoleon wanting that kind of mad, Alexander the Great Like Glory.

Our government wants that too. (With a bit of prodding from Nappy B as well)
If anything the Directory balked at the scope and the cost of the whole thing, but figured it was worth it as long as Napoleon was distracted with a new shiny idea.
Right now... they've spared no expense.

20/20 Army wealth currently, Plus an additional 5 paid to you directly as... payment for hazard pay about to come.
So unless we really screwed the pooch, they shouldn't care as long as we take Egypt.
As long as we actually push forward to India my friend... to India.
 
And the Directorate will expect results. Quickly.
Well fuck 'em. (I'm very comfortable being on the government's bad side here)
Or just... destroying the RN's Presence in the Mediterranean. :V

I would never presume to think that was a possibility. But even if it was, there's still logistics to worry about.

The reason why the French took Malta in real life was because the Knights Hospitalier wouldn't allow all their ships to dock for resupply.

Every rock we have access to on the way to Alexandria is a boon. It'd be a mistake to just pass them over.
 
Well about that... Spun Tale:

The Directorate wishes for us to go to India and do just that. It's not just Napoleon wanting that kind of mad, Alexander the Great Like Glory.

Our government wants that too. (With a bit of prodding from Nappy B as well)

Right now... they've spared no expense.

20/20 Army wealth currently, Plus an additional 5 paid to you directly as... payment for hazard pay about to come.

As long as we actually push forward to India my friend... to India.
Then I want what this version of the Directory is smoking.

His ultimate ambition – or fantasy – may be gauged by his demand for English maps of Bengal and the Ganges from the war ministry, and his request to be accompanied by Citizen Piveron, the former envoy to Britain's greatest enemy in India, Tipu Sahib, 'the Tiger of Mysore'. Yet the Directory deflated these dreams; Napoleon was authorized only to invade Egypt and was told to raise the funds himself. He was expected to be back in France in six months.
Napoleon: A Life - Andrew Roberts
 
Excellent

We can continue to blame Napoleon :V
Well he wanted to take the expedition... but Italy was calling and he decided to ignore it, because his entire army was making shit loads of money, from ransom, looting, and just plain old bribery to not sack any cities on his way towards Austrian forces.

Like he's really fucking Rich. All the Generals who served there in Italy are.

Even Brian, who is not taking part in the looting because people are ransoming for prisoners he and his men are taking.
Then I want what this version of the Directory is smoking.
Well, it's less the Directory is smoking something baller, it's that European theter at this moment has become far and away good... in France's Favor.

Prussia is wishing for peace after a series of defeats, Spain is not attacking us, Italy is under Napoleon's Thumb, and is basically his playground and piggy bank to gather money and reputation, Austria is France's Bitch, The Netherlands have been liberated by Kellerman and Dumouriez ...

And Britain needs to stop fighting, and reevaluate the situation they are in.

Because France is kicking copious amounts of ass currently.
 
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Well, it's less the Directory is smoking something baller, it's that European theter at this moment has become far and away good... in France's Favor.

Prussia is wishing for peace after a series of defeats, Spain is not attacking us, Italy is under Napoleon's Thumb, and is basically his playground and piggy bank to gather money and reputation, Austria is France's Bitch, The Netherlands have been liberated by Kellerman and Dumouriez ...

And Britain needs to stop fighting, and reevaluate the situation they are in.

Because France is kicking copious amounts of ass currently.
So why not invade Hannover rather than pushing your luck with India? That was IIRC even one of Napoleon's two alternatives to Egypt and a much more achievable goal.

And even then, just taking Egypt will throw a serious wrench in Britain's trade network.
 
o why not invade Hannover rather than pushing your luck with India?
Because... Peace Conferences... Diplomatic leverages against Britian?

Not wanting to Push Prussia back into war?

There are a few reasons, even good ones.
And even then, just taking Egypt will throw a serious wrench in Britain's trade network.
Lets just say if we succeed in this massive clusterfuck of a plan... Britian will spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on bounty's on us... and other protective measures to stop us.
 
I am simply failing to see how this can be seen as useful way to spend manpower an resources. It is seriously breaking my suspension of disbelief.

First you have all the difficulties of the Egyptian campaign, then you need to set up a new Red Sea / Indian fleet to get a corps worth of troops across. This entire campaign that is being waged because of Britain dominates the seas, is going to rely on Britain not dominating the seas to succeed.

And even if you land, you're still going to have to deal with the 100,000+ man strong British Presidency armies, the British allies in India, the royal navy and Wellington himself.

Then if we were to reach India, France's main ally on the continent is only able to scrounge up around 35,000 men. And was otl crushed in the fourth Anglo-Mysore war the moment the British heard about Napoleon landing in Egypt.

The Directory is (or should) be aware of most these facts, this isn't rocket science.
 
I am simply failing to see how this can be seen as useful way to spend manpower an resources. It is seriously breaking my suspension of disbelief.
Yeah, and Haiti being a free and independent colony, with all the slaves freed, Native American tribes being allowed into the union with some rights, and Austria falling at competency hasn't already done that to you?

We've operated on realism in some ways, rule of cool on the others.
First you have all the difficulties of the Egyptian campaign, then you need to set up a new Red Sea / Indian fleet to get a corps worth of troops across. This entire campaign that is being waged because of Britain dominates the seas, is going to rely on Britain not dominating the seas to succeed.
I belive that we have made it quite clear that, while you do have manpower and the resources, that this entire expedition is not going to be a cakewalk.

Hell, I stated multiple times that you have the ability (and even the right in some cases) to disobey orders to not get all your men killed and attempt other strategic and tactical objectives.

There is no way this entire plan can succeed without dice magic and omakes on your end. Whether it is a complete disaster, a marginal success or enough of a success that it basically justifies everything France put forth to make it happen... is entirely up to you.

The Directory is (or should) be aware of most these facts, this isn't rocket science.
They do. But right now, they see a chance to royally screw over the British in Egypt, and potentially in India, and cement ourselves as a superpower to rival Britian. And they want to see if we can do it.

They are as Plaus would put it: "Rolling the dice."
 
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I might be willing to swap out Berthier for Hoche but I don't know if that's allowed now that people voted
Kléber is notorious for refusing independent commands, if we take him we'll need to attach ourself to his corps. Dumas is known for fair treatment and protection of civilians. And if we're giving Severin a corps we'll be promoting him from captain to general in one swoop.

I would also be will to back the vote if the swap occurred. Hoche could be the commander of corps, that Severin's currently commanding.
 
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