La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)

Parlez-vous français?

  • Oui, je parle très bien français!

    Votes: 162 14.3%
  • Un peu.

    Votes: 188 16.6%
  • What? Francis? Nope.

    Votes: 330 29.1%
  • What? Oh, don't be silly, my dear!

    Votes: 161 14.2%
  • ¿El español es lo suficientemente bueno?

    Votes: 86 7.6%
  • Ich verstehe dich irgendwie.

    Votes: 64 5.6%
  • Я очень хорошо говорю по-русски.

    Votes: 64 5.6%
  • 我听不懂。

    Votes: 35 3.1%
  • 何を言っているのですか?

    Votes: 28 2.5%
  • nuqneH pa'!

    Votes: 10 0.9%
  • فرانسه بلدنستم

    Votes: 7 0.6%

  • Total voters
    1,135
no.

All the Troops you have are reassigned to the Army of Egypt.

They are all yours.
Pog
Alright

[]Plan Armée d'Orient
- []You will allow it: You need all the help you can get.
- []Générale de brigade Jean-Baptiste Kléber: A Commander of the Army of the North, of the 6th division under Kellerman and Dumouriez. The man has proven himself competent in battle, and unlike other men that High Command has requested to join you as one of your Juniors. You have met him before when you served in the army of the North, but you did not know him personally. He did respect you and your brother during your time as Surveyors…. Or at the very least, respect your abilities, and competence to not say anything bad about you while you were there. Hopefully, he still has that respect for you, and it wasn't blunted by his pride.
- []Générale de Division Thomas-Alexandre Dumas: The Black Devil of Italy, one of Napoleon's Junior commanders and as it turns out, one of Brian's Friends from the Army of Italy, though he failed to mention him in some correspondence due to distance and a lack of communication. He was wounded a few months ago in an offensive in the Southern Alps, near the Swiss border, climbing up a mountain with Ice spikes and capturing a thousand German Mercenaries under the Employ of the Austrian empire, but has made a full recovery. His reassignment comes with a Letter from Brian. He tells you to be smart, and not to die from governmental incompetence and to remember that it is okay to bend the rules.
- []Générale de Brigade Louis-Alexandre Berthier: The man who could have been Napoleon's Chief of Staff. He has… been snubbed for the position by Brian, but that is not for a lack of incompetence. The man is the most brilliant administrator you have ever read about, and you were quite surprised that he was offered by high command for your army… instead of being made a minister of War or something like that. His grasp at command is brilliant, though when compared to others, it is lesser. With him and Chamans, you think there will never be any paperwork that would be on your desk again.
- []Adam Serre: A colorful man with a colorful past. A Freeman of Color, from Saint-Domingue, he joined the French Navy when he was twelve and slowly rose through the ranks over years of service, and became a captain of a Frigate. He is brash, bold, having risen through the ranks with daring plans, guile, and trickery. When the American Revolution broke out, he turned privateer and attacked British vessels on the behalf of American rebels. After the war ended, and he rejoined the navy, he became a captain, of ill repute by most British sailors, well-liked by the Admiralty for an iron-clad discipline on his vessels, and becoming a terror in the Mediterranean. Last you heard, he had an over 100,000 Pound Bounty on his head by the British for his capture, after he sank six frigates during Napoleon's rescue and Liberation of Toulon. Outspoken and political, you think his assignment to you is punishment from admiralty for requesting more effort to expand the ranks for more Freedmen of color from serving in the Navy as more senior officers, and for a continued push to annex the Spanish colonies on the remainder of Hispaniola.
- [] I Corps:
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 1000 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
-- Commanded by Brigadier General Kléber
- [] II Corps:
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 1000 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
-- Commanded by Captain Severin
- [] III Corps
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 1000 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
-- Commanded by General of Division Dumas
- [] Cavalry Reserve
-- 3,000 Dragoons (Veterans)
-- 1,000 Lancers (Veterans)
-- 1,000 Lancers (Old Guard)
-- Commanded by Colonel Murat
- [] Republican Guard
-- 6,000 Infantry (Veterans) + 2,000 Riflemen (Veterans) in two Republican Guard infantry divisions (3,000/1,000 split)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Old Guard) + 1,000 Lancers (Old Guard) in one Republican Guard cavalry division
-- 1,600 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- Commanded by Colonel Chamans
- [] Reserve/Garrison
-- 1,000 Lancers (Veterans)
-- 7,500 Infantry (Regulars)
-- 5,000 Infantry (Untrained)
-- 750 Artillerymen/ 10 guns (Regulars)

Alright so here's the my current plan. We're brining along Kleber, Dumas, Serre and Berthier
I took @Dutch organization into a semi-Corp system and moved around some of the troops also spinning off about 5,200 Cavalry into a Reserve as well as giving the Reserves about 10 guns.

EDIT: Added Commanders
EDIT 2: Fixed some errors and re-added the missing lancers to murat
 
Last edited:
Pog
Alright

[]Plan Armée d'Orient
- []You will allow it: You need all the help you can get.
- []Générale de brigade Jean-Baptiste Kléber: A Commander of the Army of the North, of the 6th division under Kellerman and Dumouriez. The man has proven himself competent in battle, and unlike other men that High Command has requested to join you as one of your Juniors. You have met him before when you served in the army of the North, but you did not know him personally. He did respect you and your brother during your time as Surveyors…. Or at the very least, respect your abilities, and competence to not say anything bad about you while you were there. Hopefully, he still has that respect for you, and it wasn't blunted by his pride.
- []Générale de Division Thomas-Alexandre Dumas: The Black Devil of Italy, one of Napoleon's Junior commanders and as it turns out, one of Brian's Friends from the Army of Italy, though he failed to mention him in some correspondence due to distance and a lack of communication. He was wounded a few months ago in an offensive in the Southern Alps, near the Swiss border, climbing up a mountain with Ice spikes and capturing a thousand German Mercenaries under the Employ of the Austrian empire, but has made a full recovery. His reassignment comes with a Letter from Brian. He tells you to be smart, and not to die from governmental incompetence and to remember that it is okay to bend the rules.
- []Générale de Brigade Louis-Alexandre Berthier: The man who could have been Napoleon's Chief of Staff. He has… been snubbed for the position by Brian, but that is not for a lack of incompetence. The man is the most brilliant administrator you have ever read about, and you were quite surprised that he was offered by high command for your army… instead of being made a minister of War or something like that. His grasp at command is brilliant, though when compared to others, it is lesser. With him and Chamans, you think there will never be any paperwork that would be on your desk again.
- []Adam Serre: A colorful man with a colorful past. A Freeman of Color, from Saint-Domingue, he joined the French Navy when he was twelve and slowly rose through the ranks over years of service, and became a captain of a Frigate. He is brash, bold, having risen through the ranks with daring plans, guile, and trickery. When the American Revolution broke out, he turned privateer and attacked British vessels on the behalf of American rebels. After the war ended, and he rejoined the navy, he became a captain, of ill repute by most British sailors, well-liked by the Admiralty for an iron-clad discipline on his vessels, and becoming a terror in the Mediterranean. Last you heard, he had an over 100,000 Pound Bounty on his head by the British for his capture, after he sank six frigates during Napoleon's rescue and Liberation of Toulon. Outspoken and political, you think his assignment to you is punishment from admiralty for requesting more effort to expand the ranks for more Freedmen of color from serving in the Navy as more senior officers, and for a continued push to annex the Spanish colonies on the remainder of Hispaniola.
- [] I Corps:
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 600 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
-- Commanded by Colonel Severin
- [] II Corps:
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 600 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
- [] III Corps
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 600 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
- [] Cavalry Reserve
-- 3,000 Dragoons (Veterans)
-- 1,200 Lancers (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Lancers (Veterans)
-- Commanded by Colonel Murat
- [] Republican Guard
-- 6,000 Infantry (Veterans) + 2,000 Riflemen (Veterans) in two Republican Guard infantry divisions (3,000/1,000 split)
-- 1,000 dragoon old guard + 1,000 lancers old guard in one Republican Guard cavalry division
-- 1,600 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
- [] Reserve/Garrison
-- 1,000 Lancers (Veterans)
-- 7,500 Infantry (Regulars)
-- 5,000 Infantry (Untrained)
-- 750 Artillerymen/ 10 guns (Regulars)

Alright so here's the my current plan. We're brining along Kleber, Dumas, Serre and Berthier
I took @Dutch organization into a semi-Corp system and moved around some of the troops also spinning off about 5,200 Cavalry into a Reserve as well as giving the Reserves about 10 guns.
A Reminder that you need to place commanders on those corps.
 
A little too busy to comment in detail, but will just remark that I feel strongly about taking Berthier. Any general in history to whom their superiors said of their absence:
If Berthier had been there, I would not have met this misfortune.
is usually worth their weight in gold.
 
A little too busy to comment in detail, but will just remark that I feel strongly about taking Berthier. Any general in history to whom their superiors said of their absence:

is usually worth their weight in gold.
Well he is the best administrative and Logistical general in the quest currently.

Though with Brian doing so damn well, he might be a close second, when the year ends and his stats bump up again.
 
-- 1,000 dragoon old guard + 1,000 lancers old guard in one Republican Guard cavalry division

While I fully agree with your plan (and will definitely vote for it as soon as the vote opens, I think you lost about 1,000 old guard lancers somewhere. AT least I did not see them elsewhere. I believe they should be added to the above guard cavalry division.
 
Last edited:
Pog
Alright

[]Plan Armée d'Orient
- []You will allow it: You need all the help you can get.
- []Générale de brigade Jean-Baptiste Kléber: A Commander of the Army of the North, of the 6th division under Kellerman and Dumouriez. The man has proven himself competent in battle, and unlike other men that High Command has requested to join you as one of your Juniors. You have met him before when you served in the army of the North, but you did not know him personally. He did respect you and your brother during your time as Surveyors…. Or at the very least, respect your abilities, and competence to not say anything bad about you while you were there. Hopefully, he still has that respect for you, and it wasn't blunted by his pride.
- []Générale de Division Thomas-Alexandre Dumas: The Black Devil of Italy, one of Napoleon's Junior commanders and as it turns out, one of Brian's Friends from the Army of Italy, though he failed to mention him in some correspondence due to distance and a lack of communication. He was wounded a few months ago in an offensive in the Southern Alps, near the Swiss border, climbing up a mountain with Ice spikes and capturing a thousand German Mercenaries under the Employ of the Austrian empire, but has made a full recovery. His reassignment comes with a Letter from Brian. He tells you to be smart, and not to die from governmental incompetence and to remember that it is okay to bend the rules.
- []Générale de Brigade Louis-Alexandre Berthier: The man who could have been Napoleon's Chief of Staff. He has… been snubbed for the position by Brian, but that is not for a lack of incompetence. The man is the most brilliant administrator you have ever read about, and you were quite surprised that he was offered by high command for your army… instead of being made a minister of War or something like that. His grasp at command is brilliant, though when compared to others, it is lesser. With him and Chamans, you think there will never be any paperwork that would be on your desk again.
- []Adam Serre: A colorful man with a colorful past. A Freeman of Color, from Saint-Domingue, he joined the French Navy when he was twelve and slowly rose through the ranks over years of service, and became a captain of a Frigate. He is brash, bold, having risen through the ranks with daring plans, guile, and trickery. When the American Revolution broke out, he turned privateer and attacked British vessels on the behalf of American rebels. After the war ended, and he rejoined the navy, he became a captain, of ill repute by most British sailors, well-liked by the Admiralty for an iron-clad discipline on his vessels, and becoming a terror in the Mediterranean. Last you heard, he had an over 100,000 Pound Bounty on his head by the British for his capture, after he sank six frigates during Napoleon's rescue and Liberation of Toulon. Outspoken and political, you think his assignment to you is punishment from admiralty for requesting more effort to expand the ranks for more Freedmen of color from serving in the Navy as more senior officers, and for a continued push to annex the Spanish colonies on the remainder of Hispaniola.
- [] I Corps:
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 600 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
-- Commanded by Brigadier General Kléber
- [] II Corps:
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 600 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
-- Commanded by Colonel Severin
- [] III Corps
-- 20,000 Infantry (Regulars) in four 5,000 men strong divisions.
-- 1,550 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Veterans) + 600 Lancers (Regulars) in one division.
-- Commanded by General of Division Dumas
- [] Cavalry Reserve
-- 3,000 Dragoons (Veterans)
-- 1,200 Lancers (Regulars)
-- 1,000 Lancers (Veterans)
-- 1,000 Lancers (Old Guard)
-- Commanded by Colonel Murat
- [] Republican Guard
-- 6,000 Infantry (Veterans) + 2,000 Riflemen (Veterans) in two Republican Guard infantry divisions (3,000/1,000 split)
-- 1,000 Dragoons (Old Guard) + 1,000 Lancers (Old Guard) in one Republican Guard cavalry division
-- 1,600 Artillerymen/ 30 guns (Regulars)
-- Commanded by Colonel Chamans
- [] Reserve/Garrison
-- 1,000 Lancers (Veterans)
-- 7,500 Infantry (Regulars)
-- 5,000 Infantry (Untrained)
-- 750 Artillerymen/ 10 guns (Regulars)

Alright so here's the my current plan. We're brining along Kleber, Dumas, Serre and Berthier
I took @Dutch organization into a semi-Corp system and moved around some of the troops also spinning off about 5,200 Cavalry into a Reserve as well as giving the Reserves about 10 guns.

EDIT: Added Commanders
EDIT 2: Fixed some errors and re-added the missing lancers to murat
So wile I really like this i would prefer hooch to Dumas, while Dumas is doing really well right now he unfortunately declined rather rapidly in OTL and im assumeing these generals we are keeping after this whole expedition. Also hooch was an amazing administrator and organizer in OTL (hell he invented the demi-burgade system that allowed France rase such large armys as fast as they did) and if he hadn't gotten unlucky with some storms he would have caught the royal navy whith its pants down in his irland campaign which is extremely impressive and also very useful considering what we are trying to do. I don't really care about the third option considering I would take all of them if we could (make them divisional comanders?) But houch is definitely the number two we need to get.
 
So wile I really like this i would prefer hooch to Dumas, while Dumas is doing really well right now he unfortunately declined rather rapidly in OTL and im assumeing these generals we are keeping after this whole expedition. Also hooch was an amazing administrator and organizer in OTL (hell he invented the demi-burgade system that allowed France rase such large armys as fast as they did) and if he hadn't gotten unlucky with some storms he would have caught the royal navy whith its pants down in his irland campaign which is extremely impressive and also very useful considering what we are trying to do. I don't really care about the third option considering I would take all of them if we could (make them divisional comanders?) But houch is definitely the number two we need to get.
Dumas rapidly declined OTL due to the one two three punch of
a. Getting on Napoleon's Bad side during the IRL Egypt Campaign
b. Being sent home on a rickety ship and having to dock in Naples which led to him getting thrown in and rotting away in Jail
c. Being released just when Napoleon decided to go full racist and reinstate Slavery and kick every single black soldier in the army out
 
Dumas rapidly declined OTL due to the one two three punch of
a. Getting on Napoleon's Bad side during the IRL Egypt Campaign
b. Being sent home on a rickety ship and having to dock in Naples which led to him getting thrown in and rotting away in Jail
c. Being released just when Napoleon decided to go full racist and reinstate Slavery and kick every single black soldier in the army out
I mean I wouldn't say his preformes was stellar in egipt anyway but point. Still think hooch would be better for this. We can make Dumas a marshal latter or something we really need an a team of logistics to get this army to Egypt.
 
So wile I really like this i would prefer hooch to Dumas, while Dumas is doing really well right now he unfortunately declined rather rapidly in OTL and im assumeing these generals we are keeping after this whole expedition. Also hooch was an amazing administrator and organizer in OTL (hell he invented the demi-burgade system that allowed France rase such large armys as fast as they did) and if he hadn't gotten unlucky with some storms he would have caught the royal navy whith its pants down in his irland campaign which is extremely impressive and also very useful considering what we are trying to do. I don't really care about the third option considering I would take all of them if we could (make them divisional comanders?) But houch is definitely the number two we need to get.
I think you might be confusing Hoche with Carnot on the Demi-brigade thing.
 
Last edited:
So wile I really like this i would prefer hooch to Dumas, while Dumas is doing really well right now he unfortunately declined rather rapidly in OTL and im assumeing these generals we are keeping after this whole expedition
Actually you won't be keeping these men after the expedition.

You can attempt to, but you don't have enough significant pull in government or in the Army's high command to attempt such a thing, just yet.

This Expedition may make, or break you...

In terms of the possibility for being given independent commands in the future.
I don't really care about the third option considering I would take all of them if we could (make them divisional comanders?)
You can make them all generals within your army, but for them to keep their commissions after the campaign, you will need to write up their commendations (if they gain any), and the higher-ups will need to accept it, or not accept it.
a. Getting on Napoleon's Bad side during the IRL Egypt Campaign
He isn't going to get on our bad side unless he really tries.

This is totally possible considering he was a strong personality in his lifetime.
b. Being sent home on a rickety ship and having to dock in Naples which led to him getting thrown in and rotting away in Jail
Which also negatively affected his health, not something you want a general in the army to suffer from when you need him at the top of his game.

Just look at Massena, that man was a workhorse for Napoleon until his health failed him and he lost his edge.
c. Being released just when Napoleon decided to go full racist and reinstate Slavery and kick every single black soldier in the army out
Well, hopefully he won't do that, because he fully believes in the ideas of the revolutions, where all men are created equal?

Oh wait, his ego won't allow that. Hopefully, Brian can punch some sense into him.:V
 
Last edited:
Lazare Hoche is definitely an interesting pick. What little we know suggests he was a lot like Napoleon, and the two apparently carried a deep respect for each other, with Napoleon calling Hoche one of the finest generals France ever had, so that would be a fun thing to explore.

Also, he never got to reach his full potential because a whole lot of moments of glories of his got cut short. He just expelled the Austrians from Alsace but got thrown in prison because of Pichegru, he nearly landed in Ireland but the storm prevented him from waging what Napoleon himself believed would have been a successful campaign and the latter cut another one of his possible glories short when he signed a peace treaty with the Austrians, ending the War of the First Coalition while Hoche was in the Rhine.

But if we look at what he did manage to do, you definitely have to admit this is someone who would have rocked the country if sickness didn't manage to get him.
 
But if we look at what he did manage to do, you definitely have to admit this is someone who would have rocked the country if sickness didn't manage to get him.
He certainly would have been a man who could have stood up to Napoleon.

And that is something that his stats reflect.

No 25's or anything that crazy... But well...

You'll see that he is no pushover.

None of your generals are for that matter. Something that I always forget to say is that you are young, talented at command, but not experienced like these men are and you can learn a lot from them... and become better in this campaign.
 
I'm seeing potential for three corps and a Republican guard here.

I'm not sure if elite units are worth it in this game system, but in the real world, elite units are a drain on manpower that would otherwise be NCO or officer material. So if possible it would be better to mix the men who would qualify for the Republican guard amongst the rest of the troops where their experience and leadership would multiply the effectiveness of our less capable men.

On other maters:

Given the logistical limits of conducting a campaign so far from France, I am not sure that taking all 100,000 men to Egypt is AT ALL a wise idea. Indeed, I wonder if we may want to bring less men to Egypt? That said, the Mamluks gave Napoleon a good fight in OTL, so maybe bringing less men would be suicide. As such, side-shows like invading the Two Sicilies might be beneficial also to absorb excess manpower.

I am not sure that we necessarily want to go against our orders and invade somewhere reasonable though. Part of what allowed the French to even reach Egypt is that it was such an off-the-wall target that the RN easily fell for the feint the French made at the West Indies, which was a far more reasonable target since taking the sugar islands would have given British finances a body-blow.

Also, I wonder if we could lure the RN into a battle in the Nile delta where we could hammer their ships in a place where their maneuver is restricted and we could support with land-based artillery. A serious naval victory in Egypt could radically shift the naval balance of power and hopefully deprive the British of their edge in experienced sailors long enough for the French sailors to gain a good body of experience to go with the technological superiority of French ships...

That said, if it would be possible to convince the British that we were really going for Egypt and switch the feint of OTL for a real thrust towards the British sugar islands that would be bloomin' awesome. Though the disease environment in the West Indies would be EVEN WORSE for the troops.

fasquardon
 
Alright. We have the following commanders available to start with.

Antoine Marie Chamans - Allrounder, army diplomat, has a severe minus to diplo with civilians.
We can't afford major issues with the locals in either Naples or Egypt, so I'm weary of giving him a corps. He's also been our second for a long while, so we probably shouldn't pas him over for promotion. Give him the Guard. We can make use of him there, keep him close for advise and hopefully prevent any major incidents.

Denis Martin Severin - Infantry, infantry, infantry. Lacks the skills for combined command.
While he can work miracles with infantry, his description from the CoS vote says it all. He's not an army commander even if he's better at it than us. Give him the Guard infantry under Chamans and he'll create miracles when we need them most.

Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle - Our discount Berthier
Already our CoS.

Joachim-Napoléon Murat - Great allrounder but excels at cavalry
Give him the Cavalry Reserve. Duh.

For our picks and corps commanders I'm thinking Hoche, Kléber and Dumas. Augereau has a reputation for looting and we already have a discount Berthier.

You'll note that I haven't given any of our own officers a Corps command. Murat and Chamans are viable candidates, but given the circumstances they fit better in other rolls.
 
Last edited:
[X]Plan Armée d'Orient

The plan is sound, so I think it works fairly well in Egypt...
 
[X]Plan Armée d'Orient

I'm pretty happy with this. The army can find something else to do with Hoche.
 
Back
Top