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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Sanas22 said:
Also how advance is Morpheus..? hmm... for how long he has been rolling or is being rolled for?
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Morpheus has been around since Thanos attacked Asgard. He's the Merc leader you fought.

Darkcore41 said:
How much DC is a speed enchant and how long does it take for each enchant? @KnowledgeKing
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It'd bump it up to a DC 80 to enchant it quick enough to be useful and that'd only give a +2 each.

DreamCWeaver said:
Then even with that nat 1 for his second roll Thor should've cleared basically all of the robots. I mean, if the bonuses are that similar, and considering the fact thor wields lightning, it should more than make up for the -25 by the robots. Heck he should have a, what is it, tremendous success.

Considering that Morpheus was able to cut down half of the defending forces.

Also I get the feeling Morpheus is just Titan's Ultron, with the whole, mind stone advanced robotics, AI, son of Thanos shiz.
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Thor cleared all the robots around him, yes. And with ease. It's also a contributing factor of why no one actually died to them. But Thor's lightning is not +25 no.

Sanas22 said:
@KnowledgeKing How huge is the Chitauri army compared to the Asgard army?
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The one you have is around 10x larger


Darkcore41 said:
@KnowledgeKing is my current plan legal? Can Sif command the Chitari remotely?
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Yes.
 
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KnowledgeKing said:
Morpheus has been around since Thanos attacked Asgard. He's the Merc leader you fought.



It'd bump it up to a DC 80 to enchant it quick enough to be useful and that'd only give a +2 each.



Thor cleared all the robots around him, yes. And with ease. It's also a contributing factor of why no one actually died to them. But Thor's lightning is not +25 no.



The one you have is around 10x larger




Yes.
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Will the Chitari army get a bonus from tactics, war, and strategy from Sif? @KnowledgeKing
 
[] Plan: Kamikaze
-[] Send Chitauri to perform a kamikaze attack on Titan's production facilities and military bases.
--[] Sneak a small amount of Asgardian Spies to retrieve the artifacts stolen, during the attack.



Umm... Thanos has army the same size as Asgard. Which is ten times less than the Chitauri.
So Titan's army is around 1-2 mili same as Asgard. (@KnowledgeKing You said half of the Asgardian army is being brought... did Morpheus killed 0.5-1 million of our soldiers?)
Also, Thanos is at Titan, studying the artifacts. We are sending an Armada of 8-9 millions of Chitauri to Titan (not the C.C.C).
Also, @KnowledgeKing Are the above statements correct?

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Darkcore41 said:
[X] Denial
-[X] Send the Chitauri to attack Titan
-[X] Relay the locations of Thanos and the artifacts to spies.
-[X] keep to previous plan with changes below.
--[X] Chitari are to attack in order to draw Thanos away from the artifacts.
--[X] Attack production facilities as primary.
--[X] Spies are to use Chitari attacks as a distaction
--[X] Spies prioritize the artifacts and leave as soon as they have it.
--[X] Sif takes command of the army on Titan remotely.
--[X] Amora and Lorelei keep scrying Thanos and relay his commands to Sif.
--[X] Sif uses these commands to adapt the attack with priority if drawing out Thanos and his army away from the artifacts.
-[X] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[X] Attack only when openings are presented, run out and let Thor handle it when none present itself.
-[X] Cast a quick speed enchant on both Loki and Thor

We can't let Thanos study the artifacts, so send the Chitari as a distraction and have the spies do their thing.

Edit: @DreamCWeaver do not bring the Chitari here they are untrustable assissts. We also should attack Titan to stop Thanos from having time to study the artifacts.
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I just saw your updated version...
 
Anyone else feel like the QM may be doing the equivalent of 'Are you sure?' Because it feels that way considering that Loki himself notes that there is quite a bit going on that don't make sense. That

MRoy said:
If we are going to attack Titan let's finish defending the dwarves first then attack with all our forces instead of just sending the chitauri.
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In agreement with this. The Dwarves safety should be top priority at the moment. That and Thanos still being on Titan changes things a bit since any army we send would have to deal with him as well and he also happens to have some artifacts that we confirmed. Also kind of wary of attacking now that we've gotten a good idea of what some of his forces are capable of. And considering that Morbeus appears to be acting alone that is pretty worrying. Especially if the army Morbeus came with was just a fraction.

So I'm in agreement that after this it's required that we stage an attack on Titan. Just not this mini turn since I think we should spend a lot of time preparing including gathering information and waiting for our hero units to heal. And with Odin up and running mid turn that would be a massive boost to our forces.
 
We are already winning against the robots, there is no need to bring the chitari.
The Chitari aren't meant to win only to distract and destroy. It's to cause Thanos to spend time rebuilding like he forces us.
This battle does not harm Asgard and even helps by retrieving the artifacts and slowing Thanos.
He has attacked us twice in the decade and you want to back off. Also without the information of their defenses from this attack slot of Asgardians will die later. Giving him time to study these artifacts are bad. He already made Ultron for God sake and you want to give him more time?
 
Red Bovine said:
Anyone else feel like the QM may be doing the equivalent of 'Are you sure?' Because it feels that way considering that Loki himself notes that there is quite a bit going on that don't make sense. That


In agreement with this. The Dwarves safety should be top priority at the moment. That and Thanos still being on Titan changes things a bit since any army we send would have to deal with him as well and he also happens to have some artifacts that we confirmed. Also kind of wary of attacking now that we've gotten a good idea of what some of his forces are capable of. And considering that Morbeus appears to be acting alone that is pretty worrying. Especially if the army Morbeus came with was just a fraction.

So I'm in agreement that after this it's required that we stage an attack on Titan. Just not this mini turn since I think we should spend a lot of time preparing including gathering information and waiting for our hero units to heal. And with Odin up and running mid turn that would be a massive boost to our forces.
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Unless... Giga correctly predicted us getting the merc army. And is not checking this thread for updates, then I reckon Thanos has no idea of what is about to happen.
(I've seen Giga here on this thread from time to time, so I can't say with certainty that he doesn't know of our planning.)

Also, Morpheus has already infected our servers, and is IC doesn't know about this (us re-engineering the merc, which shouldn't be possible, but Plot Armor)...so... we are already fked.
So Kamikaze is the way.

Evacuate Dwarves back to Asgard? How bout that? We only are facing one enemy, Morpheus. He can't fight and attack Dwarves at the same time. Unless QM is being perfidious. (For Example: Oh, well. Morpheus is the only enemy left, not the only body. He transferred his conscience into the one which was near dwarves and well... it infiltrated Asgard, just like that.)

I still reckon Kamikaze is the way. I am beyond salty and tired of this shit, rn.


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Sanas22 said:
Umm... Thanos has army the same size as Asgard. Which is ten times less than the Chitauri.
So Titan's army is around 1-2 mili same as Asgard. (@KnowledgeKing You said half of the Asgardian army is being brought... did Morpheus killed 0.5-1 million of our soldiers?)
Also, Thanos is at Titan, studying the artifacts. We are sending an Armada of 8-9 millions of Chitauri to Titan (not the C.C.C).
Also, @KnowledgeKing Are the above statements correct?
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Darkcore41 said:
We are already winning against the robots, there is no need to bring the chitari.
The Chitari aren't meant to win only to distract and destroy. It's to cause Thanos to spend time rebuilding like he forces us.
This battle does not harm Asgard and even helps by retrieving the artifacts and slowing Thanos.
He has attacked us twice in the decade and you want to back off. Also without the information of their defenses from this attack slot of Asgardians will die later. Giving him time to study these artifacts are bad. He already made Ultron for God sake and you want to give him more time?
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Kamikaze (Throw Leviathins literally at the buildings. fk it.) it, don't attack. Let the Leviathans Kamikaze and Chitauri attack the military and production bases.
Besides, there is still 1/5th of the Chitauri at the Nidavelir.
 
Sanas22 said:
So Titan's army is around 1-2 mili same as Asgard. (@KnowledgeKing You said half of the Asgardian army is being brought... did Morpheus killed 0.5-1 million of our soldiers?)
Also, Thanos is at Titan, studying the artifacts. We are sending an Armada of 8-9 millions of Chitauri to Titan (not the C.C.C).
Also, @KnowledgeKing Are the above statements correct?
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Pretty much. Though the soldiers killed were also the other robots...who may or may not also be Morpheus. And there's a decent amount left. Just not near the current battle.
Darkcore41 said:
Will the Chitari army get a bonus from tactics, war, and strategy from Sif? @KnowledgeKing
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If she has any, yes. From her strategy and war. Tactics would be their own.
 
KnowledgeKing said:
Pretty much. Though the soldiers killed were also the other robots...who may or may not also be Morpheus. And there's a decent amount left. Just not near the current battle.


If she has any, yes. From her strategy and war. Tactics would be their own.
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So Asgard lost... nearly-half of its forces... And Morpheus can also body jump (allegedly).
And the Chitauri stationed at Nidavellir? They did nothing to help?
And what is the status of the Dwarves? Their location and other stuff?
 
So basically Thanos just launched an attack and lost nothing and gained everything and when we have the chance to do the same and possibly limp him. People are scared to attack back. For all you guys that are scared of retaliation then it's too late he already escalated. It's our turn now and if we don't do it now then we might as well give him Asgard.

Edit: @Sanas22 The reason why I want the attack now is to split Ultrons focus. Also Sif is most likely a better commander. Can you tell me why we shouldn't do it right now?
 
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Sanas22 said:
So Asgard lost... nearly-half of its forces... And Morpheus can also body jump (allegedly).
And the Chitauri stationed at Nidavellir? They did nothing to help?
And what is the status of the Dwarves? Their location and other stuff?
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Nah maybe half of the half. So 1/4. Body jump? I wouldn't say that.
Are there Chitauri here? It said 4/5 to Titan, 1/5 waiting near Muspelheim.
Most of the Dwarves are dead. They're now behind Loki and Thor. Eitri is alive right now.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Edit: @Sanas22 The reason why I want the attack now is to split Ultrons focus. Also Sif is most likely a better commander. Can you tell me why we shouldn't do it right now?
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Asgard tech is compromised... I fear Morpheus. The QM is making him body hops. Next thing we know, he is turning Asgard's defence onto itself.

KnowledgeKing said:
Morpheus has been around since Thanos attacked Asgard. He's the Merc leader you fought.
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How is the AI progression rolls being done?
If the AI is the same merc, that Loki fought for the medicine... How did he escape?
Does the AI come with full capabilities of a quantum AI? Like hosting backup servers, and recalling its consience when its main body is destroyed?

KnowledgeKing said:
Nah maybe half of the half. So 1/4. Body jump? I wouldn't say that.
Are there Chitauri here? It said 4/5 to Titan, 1/5 waiting near Muspelheim.
Most of the Dwarves are dead. They're now behind Loki and Thor. Eitri is alive right now.
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And they were supposed to move if Thanos was attacking... so they waved Morpheus's forces bye-bye and just bypassed them... Okay.
 
Ya know what? I give up. There's no point. No amount of omakes, no planning, not even actual good dice.

Everything we do can fall away because the QM allegedly had it all pre-planned. There isn't a way to win. Fucking hell, we have to follow a strict guideline, while Qm just does whatever and changes it last minute. This can't even be called a player vs. QM. This is a Qm repeated rocks falling with the players playing the game of how little can you get hit. Meanwhile other players get a building to hide in.

Glad to hear about if we get OP, then you'll bring in big bad opponents, guess that doesn't apply to the enemy though.

But yes, its so fair, how a body swapping, AI bypassed magic technological and Odinforce defenses, to steal two artifacts, undetected but is also a kick butt robot who has over a 79 bonus basically, and can match prowrestler, Thor, Asgardian royalty, trained all of his life which is centuries, prepped for major battle against Titan for the past two turns, wielder of Mjolnir, Odinson.

This isn't plot armor. Its not even plot castle. This si just a bunch of fancifully colored BS.

So while This OP Ultron hack gets to clear half of our forces with that pathetic roll, Thor plus the few actual succeeding fighters, only manage to keep us up and clear off his portion? At what level is this in any way fair? I can't describe how stupid this is. But because I wanna hope beyond hope, that this is somehow explained I'll continue to play.

Also I say next turn, before Odin retakes the throne I say we just Bifrost Titan and any lifeforms near it so Qm can't just say Thanos used the mind stone to switch bodies, or store his conscious in it. In case he does try to do the latter, I say we also send the mind stone into a star. Then we take any and all actions in rooting out and eradicating Morpheus
 
Sanas22 said:
Asgard tech is compromised... I fear Morpheus. The QM is making him body hops. Next thing we know, he is turning Asgard's defence onto itself.


How is the AI progression rolls being done?
If the AI is the same merc, that Loki fought for the medicine... How did he escape?
Does the AI come with full capabilities of a quantum AI? Like hosting backup servers, and recalling its consience when its main body is destroyed?


And they were supposed to move if Thanos was attacking... so they waved Morpheus's forces bye-bye and just bypassed them... Okay.
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I already thought of that, I have Osmond and Elym in the updated plan securing the palace. Also while Ultron is busy dealing with us it splits his focus. We know where the main Ultron is right now. So its best to attack now.
 
Darkcore41 said:
So basically Thanos just launched an attack and lost nothing and gained everything and when we have the chance to do the same and possibly limp him. People are scared to attack back. For all you guys that are scared of retaliation then it's too late he already escalated. It's our turn now and if we don't do it now then we might as well give him Asgard.

Edit: @Sanas22 The reason why I want the attack now is to split Ultrons focus. Also Sif is most likely a better commander. Can you tell me why we shouldn't do it right now?
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Your doing that thing again where you are treating assumptions as facts. First off it's been noted by Loki himself that some of the facts don't add up and the QM seems to be implying that there is a bit going on that we don't know about. Rather we not have another Amora situation like last quest where we got screwed over badly because we didn't gather more information first.

Second people have no issue with retaliation. It's just that some people like me want to actually come up with actual plans and preparations instead of going Leeloy Jenkin's. I mean if Thanos did make an AI comparable to Ultron than that is a huge problem if he can replicated himself like MCU Ultron or if Thanos made others like him.
Sanas22 said:
Unless... Giga correctly predicted us getting the merc army. And is not checking this thread for updates, then I reckon Thanos has no idea of what is about to happen.
(I've seen Giga here on this thread from time to time, so I can't say with certainty that he doesn't know of our planning.)

Also, Morpheus has already infected our servers, and is IC doesn't know about this (us re-engineering the merc, which shouldn't be possible, but Plot Armor)...so... we are already fked.
So Kamikaze is the way.

Evacuate Dwarves back to Asgard? How bout that? We only are facing one enemy, Morpheus. He can't fight and attack Dwarves at the same time. Unless QM is being perfidious. (For Example: Oh, well. Morpheus is the only enemy left, not the only body. He transferred his conscience into the one which was near dwarves and well... it infiltrated Asgard, just like that.)

I still reckon Kamikaze is the way. I am beyond salty and tired of this shit, rn.
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I know people are tired of this shit but please let's not make the mistake of last quest and jump the gun without gathering information first before acting. I doubt that Thanos did take precautions in making defenses for his planet or predicted another attack literally right after Thor caused damage on Titan. And we should also consider that Odin may be up after this battle due to the serum even if he would still be weakened. Might want to get his input first.

So how about this? We finish this battle, learn more about what the hell is going on and next turn properly prepare for war including reconnaissance, info gathering and building up our defenses even further and gathering more allies? After this we would have justification for going to war with Titan so might as well prepare properly instead of potentially screwing things up by jumping the gun and underestimating our enemies.
 
Red Bovine said:
Your doing that thing again where you are treating assumptions as facts. First off it's been noted by Loki himself that some of the facts don't add up and the QM seems to be implying that there is a bit going on that we don't know about. Rather we not have another Amora situation like last quest where we got screwed over badly because we didn't gather more information first.

Second people have no issue with retaliation. It's just that some people like me want to actually come up with actual plans and preparations instead of going Leeloy Jenkin's. I mean if Thanos did make an AI comparable to Ultron than that is a huge problem if he can replicated himself like MCU Ultron or if Thanos made others like him.

I know people are tired of this shit but please let's not make the mistake of last quest and jump the gun without gathering information first before acting. I doubt that Thanos did take precautions in making defenses for his planet or predicted another attack literally right after Thor caused damage on Titan. And we should also consider that Odin may be up after this battle due to the serum even if he would still be weakened. Might want to get his input first.

So how about this? We finish this battle, learn more about what the hell is going on and next turn properly prepare for war including reconnaissance, info gathering and building up our defenses even further and gathering more allies? After this we would have justification for going to war with Titan so might as well prepare properly instead of potentially screwing things up by jumping the gun and underestimating our enemies.
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This isn't Leeroy Jinkins we already thought it through and this strike isn't to win. This strike is essentially what Thanos is doing to us. Creating a mess that he has to clean up. This stalls him until we can come up with a plan. Thanos is doing exactly what I have been advocating to do and winning because Giga doesn't have people telling him it would invite retaliation.

Edit: It's like you have never played a wartime strategy game.
 
Does anyone actually have a plan that doesn't involve plunging headfirst into battle? Because I'm seeing a lot of people objecting to the current plans, but not offering any counter plans.
 
b-wolf95 said:
Does anyone actually have a plan that doesn't involve plunging headfirst into battle? Because I'm seeing a lot of people objecting to the current plans, but not offering any counter plans.
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Maybe makes sure that Thanos isn't planning to give the Crown to Surtur, check with Nova Corps. for anything, make sure he hasn't hired some mercs, maybe contact him later to confirm this wasn't him. Capture the robot this time probably as well.
 
TBF Thanos stepped over the line way back. Stealing our shit and almost finishing off a parents should have been his full retribution. Now he attack Nidavellir.

Also we've been allowed to go to war for awhile. I didn't want to say this before, but Thanos' original attack of Asgard made it completely legal to go to war. His generals attack on our suppliers and the assassination attempts on our parents? These have gone way past evidence. We are quite literally not going to war rn only because we're being an idiot. We've had the moral, political and actual high ground for awhile and did nothing. Now we've been setback by this attack. There's no reason not to retaliate.
 
[X] Plan: Hit me, baby, one more time.
-[x] Evacuate the remaining Dwarves (with Tyr) back to Asgard.
--[x] No merc body is to go back with them.
--[x] Give the command to fortify Asgard and be ready for war.
-[x] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[x] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[x] The Chitauri at Muspelheim are to be called back to Asgard and act as it's defender.
-[x] The 4/5th of the Chitauris are to attack Titan (with Sif in command, relay her the basic objectives which are mentioned below).
--[x] Send a fraction of Asgardian spies to retrieve the artifacts.
---[x] Have Amora and Lorelei relay to them the location of the items so they can retrieve them during the attack.
--[x] The Chitauri's objectives are to attack Titan's production facilities and Military Outposts (turrets, barracks, orbital weapons etc)
---[x] Keep the mothership as far as you can from Titan.
---[x] Kamikaze the shit out of Titan Palace, Production Facilities and Military Outpost if Chitauri are loosing.
-[x] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.
-[x] After the fight, use the Dyson Sphere and the Neutron Star with Etri to reduce everything that Morpheus came with to ashes. (I don't want this mothertrucker to have any backups left.)

(Like bringing out the Sceptre to mind control Thor.)
@KnowledgeKing Will we get actions after we destroy Morpheus or vice versa?
 
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Sanas22 said:
[X] Plan: Hit me, baby, one more time.
-[x] Evacuate the remaining Dwarves (with Tyr) back to Asgard.
--[x] No merc body is to go back with them.
--[x] Give the command to fortify Asgard and be ready for war.
-[x] Morpheus's body was re-engineered and he apparently has body jumping capabilities.
--[x] Have Osmond, Elym and Ylva locate if Morpheus is in Asgard's system and purge it/him.
-[x] The Chitauri at Muspelheim are to be called back to Asgard and act as it's defender.
-[x] The 4/5th of the Chitauris are to attack Titan.
--[x] Send a fraction of Asgardian spies to retrieve the artifacts.
---[x] Have Amora and Lorelei relay to them the location of the items so they can retrieve them during the attack.
--[x] The Chitauri's objectives are to attack Titan's production facilities and Military Outposts (turrets, barracks etc)
---[x] Keep the mothership as far as you can from Titan.
---[x] Kamikaze the shit out of Titan Palace, Production Facilities and Military Outpost if Chitauri are loosing.
-[x] Join Thor in the fight (Loki is down to 23 Martial)
--[x] Cast enchantments of Speed on Loki.
--[x] Play the fight smart, Thor is enraged after knowing what Morpheus did to his parents. Be on the lookout for any trick the bot is going to play.

(Like bringing out the Sceptre to mind control Thor.)
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Have Sif remotely command the Chitari, her strategy and war would boost them. Also have Amora and Lorelei Scry Thanos so Sif knows what the response is.
You should also have the army prioritize baiting Thanos and the army away from the artifacts to make it easier to steal.

Edit: Also have all recording devices obscured in the planning room just in case purge doesn't work. Place extra guards at the vault and the king and queens room just in case of infiltration. @Sanas22
 
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